posted November 18, 2012 12:23 PM            

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...and you're saying this having studied relationship astrology for a couple years, yes?

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posted November 18, 2012 01:23 PM            

That's an awesome amount of info, thanks for taking the time. Much appreciated.

I wondered if you could answer 3 questions based on synastry info (below the questions)--

1) Guy's Saturn is in woman's 8th house. Does this dim the attraction or mean no sex between the two?

2) If attraction exists, who is more attracted to whom?

3) Given some squares, can this relationship succeed (based on aspects provided)? What is your intuitive sense about this?

Thanks so very much, and again, you do us all a huge service by being so generous with your knowledge and time

Synastry--
Her Asc, Sun, Moon, Venus all fall in his 2nd hse.
His 5th hse ruler Moon falls in her 11th hse.
His 7th hse Jupiter trines her chart ruler Venus in 1st hse.

His 5th hse ruler Moon, trines her Neptune.
His 5th hse secondary ruler Sun, exactly sextiles her chart ruler Venus
His 7th hse ruler ruler Merc., trines her Mars (co-ruler of 7th hse)
His 7th hse secondary ruler Venus, squares her 1st hse Moon
His 8th hse ruler Pluto—
-trines herAsc.
-Conjuncts her 7th hse ruler
-Trines her 8th hse ruler
-Squares her 5th hse ruler Sun
-Sesisquares her IC ruler, Moon

Her 5th hse ruler Sun, squares his 8th hse ruler Pluto
Her 5th hse secondary ruler Merc. squares his 5th hse ruler Moon
Her 7th hse ruler Pluto, conjuncts his 8th hse ruler Pluto
Her 7th hse secondary ruler Jupiter trines his 8th hse ruler Pluto
Her 8th hse ruler Jupiter, trines his 8th hse ruler Pluto

posted November 18, 2012 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Also, if you look at what Saturn and Pluto (and maybe even Scorpio's co-ruler Mars) are doing in your chart, and how they aspect with a romantic interest's chart, it's very telling. House ruler synastry has a big impact on who we find attractive.

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posted November 18, 2012 02:27 PM            

I was wondering if the same house interactions will show for those we feel detachment, or contempt towards? Will there be clear indicators by overlay, and rulers that clearly show the disinterest/disharmony?

I'm just curious because by all accounts my husband and I should be "over the moon" with each other, but in the end it's been predominantly one-sided (he claims to still have affections toward me where I on the other hand have nothing but loathing and disgust for him). Our relationship seems juvenile to me, his behavior is juvenile to me... do you think there is something to be reviewed in the charts where one would be able to ascertain these very different perceptions of the actual condition (marital breakdown, if you will) in their relationship?

I have a feeling the answer is simple... just a wee bit overwhelmed, and inexperienced eh.

~thank you (everyone) for your insights,as always~! ^o^

posted November 18, 2012 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Brilliant Sweet-Scorpion!

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posted November 19, 2012 12:46 AM            

Here’s a more detailed explanation of what the three relationship houses actually signify when they are ‘activated’ in synastry.

From an astrological perspective, the 5th house is the ROMANCE/COURTSHIP period of the relationship, where we fall in love, and observe how special and unique the other person is.

The 7th house is the MARRIAGE/COMMITMENT period of the relationship, where we relate as individuals, exchange appreciation, and make agreements…

And the 8th house is the CONSUMATION/MERGING OF RESCOURCES period of the relationship, where after the being ‘united as one‘ officially, we become interdependent on each other through the sharing of ourselves and our stuff.

Here’s a more detailed guide for examining the symbolism of …THE THREE RELATIONSHIP HOUSES

THE 5TH HOUSE…
The 5th house cusp and ruler, plus planets in the 5th … Show who is romantically exciting to you, who impresses you, and who is the ’Apple of our Eye’. This house is the one in charge of romantic sparks, infatuation, adoration, and the epic saga of your personal love story… With a certain special someone.

THE 7TH HOUSE…
The 7th house cusp and ruler, plus planets in the 7th house…Show who gives you feelings of sweet affection, warmth, established acceptance, and completion…. As if they offer you what you ‘need’ in a partner. The 7th house is not always exciting like the 5th house, rather it represents who you LIKE, and want relate to as a partner and friend in your daily existence.

THE 8TH HOUSE…
And last but not least, the 8th house cusp and ruler, plus planets in the 8th… Show who attracts you in an intriguing, magnetic type of way… Here you want to figure the other person out, and merge with them in the most deep, intimate way possible. This house is where we share ourselves, and what we have to offer, with another physically, emotionally, and financially… to the point where our lives are inextricably intertwined.

By looking at the symbolism for each of the three relationship houses in your natal chart, you should have a much clearer idea of qualities you look for, and appreciate most, in the three relationship areas. Courtship, official partnership, and intimacy. But although these houses are assigned a particular phase of the relationship on a symbolic level, in terms of actual human experience, any one of these houses could be dominant in a relationship depending on how two people influence each other’s charts. It’s all about how two charts interact that determines what relationship houses have the strongest bearing on the relationship.

posted November 19, 2012 12:47 AM            

DETAILED EXPLANTATION OF HOW TO ANALYSE HOUSE RELATED SYNASTRY (FOR THE 5TH, 7TH, AND 8TH HOUSES)

So how do we tell if people’s charts ‘activate’ with our relationship houses?

The people who reflect, or influence, these houses in our charts bring the THEMES of these houses vividly alive for us. And the more they do this the more attractive to us they will be.

There are THREE major ways to connect with your partner’s chart using these houses…

1. Sign/Planet/House Matching (Symbolism Matching).

2. House Overlays.

3. Aspects to the House Cusp Rulers.

Below I’ll explain all of these in more detail…

1. SIGN/PLANET/ HOUSE MATCHING or SYMBOLISM MATCHING

This is when the SIGNS of the relationship house cusps, and/or the cusp rulers, are dominant in the partner’s chart…Also if you have a PLANETS in these houses, the signs that these planets rule may show up in the partner’s chart. Or conversely, the planet itself my be strong in the partner’s chart… Or even the HOUSE related to the sign on a relationship house cusp, or the planet in a relationship house, may show up strongly in the partner’s chart…

It’s all about a theme showing up in your partner’s chart that reflects the symbolism of your relationship houses. Like if you had an Aries Dsc, your partner could have Aries planets in their chart, Mars strongly aspected in their chart, or a strongly emphasized 1st house in their chart…

When a partner’s chart reflects the symbolism or your relationship houses in this way, what it means is that they appear to be your ‘type’ in terms of the personality characteristics, and qualities they exhibit…

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Here’s a more detailed illustration of this principle using an example… A hypothetical chart with a Taurus Asc, a Scorpio Dsc, Virgo on the 5th house, and Sagittarius on the 8th

For instance, if you have Virgo on the 5th house cusp, ruled by Mercury in Sagittarius, a partner with combos of Virgo and Sagittarius strong in their charts will be romantically exciting, and impressive to you… Perhaps they have a Virgo Sun with Sagittarius rising…

And if you have Scorpio on the 7th with Pluto in Scorpio also in the 7th , Scorpio types will win your affection, and make you feel ‘whole‘…. Perhaps this Virgo partner with Sag rising also has a Scorpio Moon/Venus conjunction in the mix… (Note that with the Dsc ruler Pluto in the 7th house, there is a Libra/Venus theme, as well as a Scorpio theme to the partner‘s chart)

And if you also have Sagittarius on the 8th house cusp, ruled by Jupiter in Aquarius, ‘free‘ Aqua/Sag types will by like a mystery you‘d love to figure out, and get inside… Perhaps this Virgo partner with Sag rising has, not only their Asc in your 8th house, but Uranus in Sagittarius conjunct the Asc, and squaring their Virgo Sun.

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The above example was meant to show how there are variety of different ways that the symbolism in the partner’s chart can match the symbolism of each of the 5th ,7th and 8th houses in yours. Using the example above of the Scorpio Dsc with Pluto in Scorpio in the 7th house. This can manifest in a partner that actually has some planets in Scorpio, or who has Pluto strongly aspected in their natal chart, or who has a strong 8th house in their natal chart (same as the Aries example). Another thing to consider is the condition of the house ruler by sign, house and aspect… So with Pluto in Scorpio in the 7th house as the Dsc ruler, the sign Scorpio is strongly emphasized in your attraction pattern, and the partner may also have some Libra/Venus/7th house influences in their chart… And lets just say that this Pluto in Scorpio in the 7th house is also square Saturn, and opposite The Moon… Then partner could have Capricorn/strong Saturn/10th house influences in their chart, or Cancer/strong Moon/4th house influences in their chart…

The best scenario is to have ALL your relationship houses represented in your partner’s chart to some extent. This is so that the different facets of each of the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses are all fulfilled to at least some degree within relationship. This is not as hard as it sounds. There are many different ways that a partner can meet these requirements though the composition of what planets, signs, houses, and aspects are strong in their natal symbolism. As long as the general themes of each or your relationship houses are repeated in the partner’s natal chart in some fashion, they will fit your attraction pattern.

It’s also worth looking into how you yourself fit into your partner’s attraction pattern, to check that the pull to each other is mutual. Take a peak at their 5th , 7th , and 8th house symbolism and see how your chart reflects this symbolism back to them… Through the signs, houses, planets, and aspects strong in your chart.

2. HOUSE OVERLAYS

This one is pretty basic. When a partner has planets actually falling into one of your relationship houses (the 5th, 7th and 8th ) this is what’s referred to as HOUSE OVERLAYS… When this occurs the partner will bring to the fore the area of life associated with that house, and stimulate feelings within you related to the theme of that house. The main comment I want to make about this is that house overlays work better if the planet sitting in the house in question is actually aspecting something in your chart. For example, if someone has a planet sitting in your 7th house but not actually making any aspects to anything else in your chart, you might have only a vague liking for them… Or you may not even notice them at all.

When a partner does aspect your chart with planets overlaying your relationship houses, the results can be like magic. Glorious even. This is when you really feel the other person’s energy lighting your romantic, affection, or intimacy needs in a way that fascinates and excites you… Conjunctions, sextiles, and trines are particularly pleasing… squares and oppositions can be either extra dramatic and invigorating or heartbreaking… sometimes both.

In terms of what planets are most significant in house overlays, the Sun, the Moon, Venus, Mars, and the Asc tend to generate the most attraction, and chemistry in these houses. The outer planets can also be quite exciting and glamorous when they tightly aspect your personal planets from these houses. Saturn brings responsibility and groundedness to these relationship areas. Mercury here may bring an attraction to someone’s communication style. And Jupiter a big bundle of joy that wants to give you a bear hug…People who put Jupiter in one of these houses, especially tightly aspecting your personal planets, just brighten your day and make you smile.

Look into how you too overlay your partner’s relationship houses, and especially take note of any strong interaspects involving the planets you have these houses for your partner. This will show a great deal about what attracted your partner to you, and also some possible areas of tension in the relationship, if difficult interaspects are present.

3. ASPECTS TO THE HOUSE CUSP RULERS…

The third way that a person can connect to your relationship houses is by ASPECTING the HOUSE RULERS of the 5th ,7th and 8th houses in synastry…. I can not overemphasize the importance of aspects to house cusp rulers enough in terms of how they can create CHEMISTRY between two people. Even if a partner has no planets in your 5th, 7th or 8th houses what so ever, if they strongly aspect the rulers of these houses, powerful feelings of attraction can be generated. And yes, you can wind up married to someone with nothing in your 7th house, and vice versa for your partner, because of the such ‘house ruler’ synastry.

Aspects to the relationship house cusp rulers from planets like the Sun, the Moon, Venus and Mars and the Asc, can be particularly magnetic in how they attract you to another.

For example having someone’s Moon conjunct your 8th house ruler could make you feel profoundly intimate toward that person, even though their Moon is not actually in your 8th house…

Someone’s Mars trining your 5th house ruler might have a vitality about them that is impressive, and thrilling for you…

And Venus apecting your 7th house ruler can feel incredibly sweet and gooey, like you wanna hug and kiss that person all the time…

As with house overlays, the type of aspect that a planet makes to your relationship house rulers will affect how that person influences you. Sextiles and trines tend to be sweet and supportive. Whereas hard aspects are a challenge… And could be rewarding or painful depending on how that challenge is dealt with.

Also pay attention to what the angle rulers in your partner’s chart are doing… If the rulers of the Asc, Dsc, Mc, and Ic aspect one of your relationship house rulers it can increase your attraction to them in various different ways. (Of course, check aspects to the Mc/Ic axis itself as well).

Aspects from your partner’s Asc ruler would attract you to their outer persona. Aspects from your partner’s Dsc ruler could attract you to the charming way that they relate, even if they way they relate is not traditionally ’charming’, it may seem charming or cute to you. Aspects from your partner’s Mc ruler may mean that there is something about their reputation that excites you. And aspects from the Ic ruler may mean that their place of origin, or family life, seems interesting and desirable to you.

Look at what your partner’s 5th, 7th , and 8th house rulers are doing to your chart as well…Do they aspect Sun, the Moon, Venus, Mars, the Asc, or the angle rulers in your chart? If they do this may explain a lot about what attracted them to you in the first place, and where the chemistry is coming from in your relationship.

Also, relationship house rulers aside, when you get configurations in synastry like the Asc ruler of one person’s chart aspecting the Asc/Dsc Axis, the Asc ruler, or the Dsc ruler in the other person’s chart this is very potent form compatibility. And any connection between the Asc of one person and the Dsc or another has a strong attraction theme to it, and tends to pull people together…. Like a ‘house ruler’ version of a Mars/Venus aspect…

When it comes to house ruler synastry in general things can get very interesting. You can find many interesting combinations to involving the various house rulers in aspect to each other…. Like the 5th house ruler opposite someone else’s 8th house ruler, the 2nd house ruler trine someone else’s 3rd house ruler, the 7th House ruler conjunct someone else’s 11th house ruler… Each of these aspects have there own connotation completely separate from what actual planets are involved in these aspects. All interplanetary aspects that you have with someone else and be looked at on an entirely new level when you consider what house cusps they rule… And what this means for the dynamic of the relationship…

Of course, whenever one of the 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers in one partner’s chart, aspects any house ruler in the other person’s chart, it’ll give a little insight as to what attracts them to that person. For instance, with the 5th house ruler aspecting the 3rd house ruler in synastry, the way the 3rd house person talks might be exciting to the 5th house person. And there would be a Mercury/Sun vibe to this aspect regardless of what actual planets are involved in the aspect. Or with the7th house ruler aspecting the 4th house ruler in synastry, the way the 4th house person creates a ’safe haven’ for the7th house person, may be part of what attracted the 7th house person to the 4th house person to begin with. And this aspect would have a Moon/Venus vibe to it regardless of what actual planets are involved in the aspect.

There is so much information about a relationship that you can explore using ‘house ruler’ synastry.

posted November 20, 2012 05:56 AM            

on 2nd and 11th houses
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my Venus falls into someone`s 10th house, which is his secondary 11th house. (widely trine his Mars and Jupiter at 4 and 5 degrees).

posted November 20, 2012 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lotis,

on 2nd and 11th houses

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I'd say yes.

I've got lots of personal experience with the primary 11th house... So I started to rack my brain for examples from the secondary 11th house as well... All I could think of was a celebrity example. I've seen actor Justin Long in several movies over the last couple of years now, where he played 'The Boyfriend' of the female lead. And it struck that I always thought he did a particularly good job of portraying like he really was in love with his co-star. It wasn’t just the lines he was given. Any actor could say those lines and not really make an impression on me. It was his mannerisms, his facial expressions, his tone of voice… All stuff that’s unique to him. I thought on multiple occasions that he really is good at giving the impression that he really is crazy about his movie girlfriend, even if it’s just acting… I think the reason he stands out to me this way is because he puts some stuff in my secondary 11th house.

In my chart Libra is on the 11th house cusp, so the 7th house is actually my secondary 11th house. I’ve got Gemini on the 7th house cusp, with a bunch of Cancer also in the 7th. Justin Long puts his Cancer Venus and Jupiter into my 7th house. His Sun is in Gemini in my 6th house, but in the same sign as my Dsc (symbolism match). And his Mars/Saturn conjunction in Leo trines my 7th house ruler by 1 and 2 degrees respectively.

posted November 20, 2012 09:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Lotis,

That's an awesome amount of info, thanks for taking the time. Much appreciated.

I wondered if you could answer 3 questions based on synastry info (below the questions)--

1) Guy's Saturn is in woman's 8th house. Does this dim the attraction or mean no sex between the two?

2) If attraction exists, who is more attracted to whom?

3) Given some squares, can this relationship succeed (based on aspects provided)? What is your intuitive sense about this?

Thanks so very much, and again, you do us all a huge service by being so generous with your knowledge and time

Synastry--
Her Asc, Sun, Moon, Venus all fall in his 2nd hse.
His 5th hse ruler Moon falls in her 11th hse.
His 7th hse Jupiter trines her chart ruler Venus in 1st hse.

His 5th hse ruler Moon, trines her Neptune.
His 5th hse secondary ruler Sun, exactly sextiles her chart ruler Venus
His 7th hse ruler ruler Merc., trines her Mars (co-ruler of 7th hse)
His 7th hse secondary ruler Venus, squares her 1st hse Moon
His 8th hse ruler Pluto�
-trines herAsc.
-Conjuncts her 7th hse ruler
-Trines her 8th hse ruler
-Squares her 5th hse ruler Sun
-Sesisquares her IC ruler, Moon

Her 5th hse ruler Sun, squares his 8th hse ruler Pluto
Her 5th hse secondary ruler Merc. squares his 5th hse ruler Moon
Her 7th hse ruler Pluto, conjuncts his 8th hse ruler Pluto
Her 7th hse secondary ruler Jupiter trines his 8th hse ruler Pluto
Her 8th hse ruler Jupiter, trines his 8th hse ruler Pluto

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Linda Jones,

posted November 20, 2012 09:45 PM            

No worries. You give so much of your time in helping others, that it's easy to see why you'd get burnt out. And I'm sorry for adding to it by bugging you.

I'm a nincompoop when it comes to posting pics/charts. But that's ok. I'm gonna spend more time studying everything you've written on this thread and see if I can narrow my questions afterwards (if I have any).

Thank you for your thoughts on the Saturn placement. It helps in understanding the dynamic better.

Please try and get some rest and enjoy your Thanksgiving break!

posted November 21, 2012 12:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Dear Lotis,

No worries. You give so much of your time in helping others, that it's easy to see why you'd get burnt out. And I'm sorry for adding to it by bugging you.

I'm a nincompoop when it comes to posting pics/charts. But that's ok. I'm gonna spend more time studying everything you've written on this thread and see if I can narrow my questions afterwards (if I have any).

Thank you for your thoughts on the Saturn placement. It helps in understanding the dynamic better.

Please try and get some rest and enjoy your Thanksgiving break!

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posted November 21, 2012 06:06 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
This is probably a really silly question...

I was wondering if the same house interactions will show for those we feel detachment, or contempt towards? Will there be clear indicators by overlay, and rulers that clearly show the disinterest/disharmony?

I'm just curious because by all accounts my husband and I should be "over the moon" with each other, but in the end it's been predominantly one-sided (he claims to still have affections toward me where I on the other hand have nothing but loathing and disgust for him). Our relationship seems juvenile to me, his behavior is juvenile to me... do you think there is something to be reviewed in the charts where one would be able to ascertain these very different perceptions of the actual condition (marital breakdown, if you will) in their relationship?

I have a feeling the answer is simple... just a wee bit overwhelmed, and inexperienced eh.

~thank you (everyone) for your insights,as always~! ^o^

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This sounds like there are some hard aspects in the synastry which have not been managed well within the context of the relationship. Sometimes couples are able to manage the difficult parts of their synastry well, if they both have a mature attitude, and are reasonable with each other. A different couple with the same hard aspects might have their relationship slowly erode over time if they are ill-equipped to handle it. It takes two to tango. So if one or both people in a relationship are unreasonable or immature about the problems that they do have, it can lead to a downward spiral. In theses cases it doesn’t matter what kind of synastry the people have. If the willingness to work on the relationship, and to have compassion for the other person is missing it doesn’t take much to break the relationship. Even couples who start out crazy in love can have this happen to them if they are not mature about the relationship.

posted November 24, 2012 10:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lotiswhite,

are you interested in a lopsided synastry of a relationship, in which at least the male partner wasn`t in love, and yet the relationship survived for 7 years?

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posted November 24, 2012 04:54 PM            

My friend:

her Ex.

posted November 24, 2012 05:05 PM            

I think what might have make him inclined to have a relationship with her might have been her Moon conjunct his DESC, and the reason it went as long as it did, may be found in their Moon-synastry. They were like "family", or at least she was quite dependent on the seemingly emotional security of this relationship (which was not all that secure anyway).

Anyway, what struck me as very obvious here also is the fact that his MC-ruler was conjunct her MC-ruler, and indeed, they "looked good" together, and the public image their relationship had was definitely a big factor for them.
There was a lot of apparent commitment, but it was like it was PRAGMA without a real relationshipbasis. Almost no EROS.

Also despite both having Stellia in Libra, the fact that his is conjunct Uranus and hers is conjunct Pluto speaks volumes!

She may have seemed like his type actually with his 5th house, 7th and 8th house ruler in LIbra in 1st house (and her Stellium in Libra plus Moon in Aries etc.), but the ACTUAL chemistry was scarce - due to the lack of interaspects.

Eventually he left her (wellS, he didn`t really "leave", he pushed her to draw the line so he could remain the feeling of being "not guilty") for a girl/ woman who has Sun-Venus-conjunction in Libra falling right onto his stellium in 1st house and they are still together.

She eventually gave in to the avances of a Capricorn-friend, married him and has been happier and more relaxed and secure than ever.

Her Capricorn has his Sun-ASC-conjunction right on her DESC; his Moon rules his DESC, and opposes her 7th and 8th house ruler, Saturn.
Though astrologybooks will tell you to stay away from Moon-SAturn-oppositions, with their strong Saturnian charts it seems to be exactly what they need and what provides the necessary security to them.

The chart of her husband (married for 8 years, together for about 12 years - it is hard to tell. lol)

posted November 26, 2012 02:27 AM            

I'm working on an analysis for your friend, her husband, and her ex. I wanted to write it so that anyone who read it would get the methods I've used, so it's kind of long.