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Belage
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posted September 29, 2015 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Western astrology I am Pisces rising, but in Vedic I am Aquarius rising. I don't resonate with Aquarius rising at all. I really feel the Neptunian influence as an underlying fabric of my life in practically everything I do.

Even my nodes have switched to the preceeding sign and I don't relate to them at all. The tropical sign for my nodes is more fitting.

Is it possible to use Vedic astrology while keeping the tropical zodiac instead of the sidereal zodiac?

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posted September 30, 2015 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoireAries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen some people say that some Vedic astrologers do use the tropical placements but I've only ever seen non-Indian Vedic astrologers doing this.

Anyway I think the problem here lies in you applying Western astrological thought onto the Vedic system and you can't do that. For one thing, Aquarius in Vedic is ruled by Saturn and Pisces by Jupiter. You should also check out your nakstra (I know I spelled that wrong). It gives you more insight into your ascendant. It's also important not to get caught in one placement/aspect you don't completely resonate with without looking at the WHOLE chart first.

Just because two systems use the same elements doesn't mean that they are interpreted the same way.

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posted September 30, 2015 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right.
I just checked my Nakshastra (??), and even though I am Aquarius rising in Vedic, the lord of that particular rising degree is Jupiter. So that brings me back to feeling more Piscean than Aquarian.

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posted October 01, 2015 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nikki01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
In Western astrology I am Pisces rising, but in Vedic I am Aquarius rising. I don't resonate with Aquarius rising at all. I really feel the Neptunian influence as an underlying fabric of my life in practically everything I do.

Even my nodes have switched to the preceeding sign and I don't relate to them at all. The tropical sign for my nodes is more fitting.

Is it possible to use Vedic astrology while keeping the tropical zodiac instead of the sidereal zodiac?


hey there
try going to astrosage.com and see what ascendant you get?
some astrologers mix the house systems, depends what works for you. personally i don't mix the 2 doesn't really work for me.

check your moon nakshatra, google has tons of descriptions for nakshatras.

that should give you a clearer picture.
aspects to your ascendant changes things around too. vedic is deep they call it a super science, so many things to consider.

in vedic astrology your ascendant is basically your entire
existence.

in western im a Pisces and vedic Aquarius,
i never felt anything Pisces about me allways thought astrology is questionable, i always believed myself to be cap or aqua.. and what do you know, after i discovered vedic i knew there is definitely more to this , it simply never fails to amaze me.

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posted October 01, 2015 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoireAries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
You're right.
I just checked my Nakshastra (??), and even though I am Aquarius rising in Vedic, the lord of that particular rising degree is Jupiter. So that brings me back to feeling more Piscean than Aquarian.

If that's the case then maybe you just have a lot of Piscean energy in your chart. That doesn't necessarily mean you're a Pisces though. Take me for example.

For the longest time when I really young and dabbling in Western astrology, I thought I wasn't an Aries entirely. The generic descriptions simply weren't me. I wasn't aggressive, etc. (in fact it seemed like everyone around me was aggressive/pushy towards me). But once I saw my whole birth chart I started to understand why I was indeed an Aries.

My sign was on the 12th along with my Sun. Obviously that made some major changes. I also had a bad aspect to Neptune which is somewhat powerful in my chart. My ruler, Mars, was retrograde and in an earth sign. In fact I was earth and fixed dominant. So with all that in mind, it actually did make sense that I was an Arian, just not the typical one due to my placements heavily modifying that standard description.

The point in that little example is to show that maybe you are an Aquarius rising Vedically but the only reason you don't feel that way can be a mix of denial and other modifications in your chart you're not looking at because you're so caught up in feeling like being an Aquarius rising is wrong. Anyway, look at the rest of your chart and check out what nikki01 said.

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posted October 01, 2015 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KilowJay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, could you guys give me the link to a reliable Vedic astrology natal chart calculator, one that also lists the nakshatras

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posted October 01, 2015 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nikki01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KilowJay:
Hey, could you guys give me the link to a reliable Vedic astrology natal chart calculator, one that also lists the nakshatras

check the vedic forum i posted a link jhora software you can download and use it for free. dont worry to much about the other stuff listed concentrate on the data you understand and want to use for now.
astrosage http://www.astrosage.com/kundli/ is also a good calculator but please don't dwell must on the automated predictions generated some can be scary and unrealistic.

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posted October 01, 2015 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KilowJay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks a lot Nikki01

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posted October 01, 2015 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KilowJay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm really confused because the Lagna chart shows the planets in the house of the sign (if that makes sense), and not as like in western. Or is that how the Vedic system works?

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posted October 01, 2015 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NoireAries:
If that's the case then maybe you just have a lot of Piscean energy in your chart. That doesn't necessarily mean you're a Pisces though. Take me for example.

For the longest time when I really young and dabbling in Western astrology, I thought I wasn't an Aries entirely. The generic descriptions simply weren't me. I wasn't aggressive, etc. (in fact it seemed like everyone around me was aggressive/pushy towards me). But once I saw my whole birth chart I started to understand why I was indeed an Aries.

My sign was on the 12th along with my Sun. Obviously that made some major changes. I also had a bad aspect to Neptune which is somewhat powerful in my chart. My ruler, Mars, was retrograde and in an earth sign. In fact I was earth and fixed dominant. So with all that in mind, it actually did make sense that I was an Arian, just not the typical one due to my placements heavily modifying that standard description.

The point in that little example is to show that maybe you are an Aquarius rising Vedically but the only reason you don't feel that way can be a mix of denial and other modifications in your chart you're not looking at because you're so caught up in feeling like being an Aquarius rising is wrong. Anyway, look at the rest of your chart and check out what nikki01 said.



Appearance wise, I may be more Aquarius than Pisces: Always been taller and thinner than most women, felt like a freak giraffe until I moved to a country where this body type was appreciated. Even though I am thin, my appearance has a very fluid quality. I look different in almost every picture I take which to me is the quality of water. And emotionally, I am a total Piscean, especially as a child I was dreamy, lived in books and fantasy worlds, soaked up other people's energy, deep into mysticism, etc...

In fact, I remember when I was first getting into astrology, I went to my birth certificate and used the time given there, which put me at Aquarius rising. I remember reading about it and couldn't identify with anything. So I put astrology aside as not accurate. Then I found a baby book my dad had started for me when I was born, and found a different time of birth. Puzzled, I asked my mom, she said to go by the time my dad wrote, because it would be more accurate, as the birth certificate wasn't written until days after I was born. The time my dad wrote put me at Pisces rising and I totally identified with the description. and I have been using that TOB ever since.

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posted October 02, 2015 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoireAries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, you seem to really like the idea of being a Pisces rising so I guess just do you. I was just trying to give you examples of how even if you don't fit the Aquarius description point by point it's probably due to other influences in your chart. But like I said do you but I wouldn't necessarily go off of appearance descriptions because I for one don't fit none of them mostly due to my race and whatever other genetics my parents gave me so that's also something to think about. Anyway good luck!

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posted October 02, 2015 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^@NoireAries, i actually appreciate your input and I thank you for taking the time to voice your opinion.

i guess it's just hard for me after so many years of understanding myself as Western Pisces rising to make the switch to Vedic Aquarius rising. For some people, making the switch feels natural, like "ahh, that explains why I didn't quite relate to my western rising sign", but for me it doesn't.

I am going to keep studying vedic nonetheless, maybe it will make more sense when I have a deeper understanding.

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posted October 02, 2015 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoireAries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I've noticed that trend too. Either people are like "wow this me!" While others are like "...I'm not so sure." But I'm glad I'm helped a little bit! Vedic has a lot of things to wade through and process so I hope you have fun discovering yourself in a different way!

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posted October 17, 2015 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just wanted to come back to this thread to say that as I am learning more about Vedic and as I am studying more what Aquarius means in Vedic, I can see better how I can be Aquarius rising, as a Poorva Bhadra Nakshatra. The interpretations I read even provided a perfect description of my dad and that was a wow moment. The physical appearance also fits to a T except that I am rather tall.

So as I am learning more Jyotish, I am going to use and compare both system (tropical vs sidereal) for rising signs and see which one I am going to keep for good in the end.

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posted October 19, 2015 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nikki01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
I just wanted to come back to this thread to say that as I am learning more about Vedic and as I am studying more what Aquarius means in Vedic, I can see better how I can be Aquarius rising, as a Poorva Bhadra Nakshatra. The interpretations I read even provided a perfect description of my dad and that was a wow moment. The physical appearance also fits to a T except that I am rather tall.

So as I am learning more Jyotish, I am going to use and compare both system (tropical vs sidereal) for rising signs and see which one I am going to keep for good in the end.


that is excellent stuff, some people dont know much about vedic and then judge it as bad. vedic works more the meaning of planets and nakshatra rather than signs.

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