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posted February 20, 2020 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 21, 2020 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Anony..
I've heard "Lahiri" the most.

Here's a website where you can see the calculations for all the various types.

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- http://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/ayanamsa-sidereal-calculator

Ayanamsa Calculator Online
Free Sidereal Vedic Astrology
(Precession of the Equinoxes)

'Ayanamsa' is the Sanskrit term for 'the amount of precession'.

In astrology, it is the longitudinal difference between the Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs.

Online calculator of:
Raman, Lahiri, KP - Krishnamurti Paddhati, Takra, Fagan-Bradley, Galactic Equator 5° Sag, De Luce and Larry Ely Ayanamsa

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- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayanâṃúa

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posted February 22, 2020 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure if my answer is correct, but I read that north Indian is more frequently used. Like Placidus in western astrology.

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posted February 23, 2020 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rainy... "Ayanamsa" is different from chart drawing types.

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posted February 24, 2020 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks mirage!

In that case I see Fagan-Bradley the most. I have no idea if it is the most correct.

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posted June 01, 2020 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Thanks mirage!

In that case I see Fagan-Bradley the most. I have no idea if it is the most correct.


I had researched this, then the atmosphere in my home took a turn for worse, and I lost what I was going to say.

From what I had gathered, what you're supposed to do is to ALIGN yourself to ~one teacher or system, and then practice THAT system consistently.

When you get to 'know' that ONE system, then maybe the other systems can get plainer to understand.

Same thing (for me) in Western, I did an enormous amount of studying while I was looking at Placidus House charts. I stuck with that for years. Got to know that house system very well.

Western Whole House systems feel frustrating to me.
Feels less accurate?
I would have to work ONLY that system, for a long time, to get used to doing interpretations.

Of course too, WHAT you want to specifically look for in a chart-- issues, questions-- would lend itself TO your going to certain systems over others, to access whatever materials you (or your client) needs for addressing the particular question. It depends.

So.

Perhaps, pay attention to the various teachers (if you are doing 'youtube' free lessons-- lessons are expensive!! LOL) and discover the system methods THEY use, and the other teachers that they associate themselves with.. Hang out with that group for a while, until you 'get' how the astrology sets up.

Again, it's important to distinguish the KIND of astrology they practice, if you're try to learn on your own. Some terms will stay the same..

Peculiar story...
When I was in college in the 1970s, there was a course I needed to take in "statistics." The statistics course for my particular area of learning, was being taught in a Lab where they had animals in cages being experimented on.

There had been a cat that had an implant surgically placed into its brain to study brainwaves--- and the cat was lowing and crying like it felt really very sick. I could hear its cries echo like a cave in that adjoining room off the lecture hall.

I had my own dear older kitty at home. She was my soulmate! So, I 'recognized' the kitty-cries!! The cat near the Lab I was trying to learn in, was crying (for help) like she/he felt terribly sick, wanting to vomit.

I had to DROP that course, FOR that reason.

Later, I tried to finish up taking that statistics class.. but it was at a different college.

I was sooooo confused! I just wasn't GETTING the math/graphs. Had to drop the course again.

What I LATER found out was that there are TWO DIFFERENT math formulas to find "chi-squares". I had MIXED THE two together, and couldn't make it work!!

Stick to ONE!, okay.

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posted June 10, 2020 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, mirage!

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posted July 02, 2020 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for the late reply Mirage, I couldn't agree with you more!

Western whole house doesn't work for me or my clients either, but I have been astounded by the accurateness of Placidus western many times since I started learning astrology in depth four years ago. It's also fantastic for psychology.

Lately I have given in to the mysteriousness of Vedic, particularly fascinated by dashas, and as far as I know Lahiri is 1 degree ahead of FB. I would trust FB more and plan to do calculations with this system, because I think every system needs an update once in a while, and with Vedic being such an ancient one, I think it's safe to think that the constellations have differed a bit since thousands of years ago.


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I did a bit of research and sent a message to a vedic astrologer and he said he uses lahiri because Fagan uses babylonian methods of calculation and nothing vedic. He then said Lahiri the person died in 1895 but the ayanamsha counsil revised and confirmed his method in 1982. So it seem that lahiri is trusted by many astrologers.

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I did a bit of research and sent a message to a vedic astrologer and he said he uses lahiri because Fagan uses babylonian methods of calculation and nothing vedic. He then said Lahiri the person died in 1895 but the ayanamsha counsil revised and confirmed his method in 1982. So it seem that lahiri is trusted by many astrologers.

Girlwiththerainysoul. Thanks sooo much for taking the time to find that information, and share it with us!

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posted August 12, 2020 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi you all, I'm still tryna confirm whether vedic works more or the western,

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posted August 13, 2020 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Hi you all, I'm still tryna confirm whether vedic works more or the western,

I actually find Vedic much easier to understand and relatable as compared to Western's psychological viewpoint, like I never fully understood Nodes until I learned it from Vedic astrologers.

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posted August 18, 2020 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Came across a video where the Vedic astrologer talked about (teens/20s) younger people and their feedback on the 'fit' of their chart reading.

When you are younger (than 35 years old! ..), your personality is still forming and maturing. You really can't judge the chart until you've experienced almost half of it?

I'm still a "starter" when it comes to Vedic. Am just amazed!! I like going back and forth between the Vedic and Western. Western gives the general flavor, and Vedic gives the tinier specifics.


Found another website for charts and tables.
I notice they use "Lahiri".
Includes the outer planets.
Diamond chart

18 pages www.AstroSage.com

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- http://helpforself.com/10-things-to-learn-about-vedic-astrology/

How a horoscope is cast and the four types of chart styles

Before learning about the other aspects of astrology, you must now learn about how a horoscope is cast and how to read it.
We are not going into the teaching of the complicated mathematical aspects of calculating the planetary positions, lagna etc.
Now a days even the astrologers depend on the computerized software.
From the practical point of view of learning the basics,
you only need to know 'how' the birth chart is cast and how to read and understand it.

The horoscope is the picture of the heavens at the time of one's birth.

It shows in which rasis {aka signs},
the 9 planets are positioned.

It also shows another important aspect of astrology called the Lagna {aka the Ascendant}.

It plays a major role in analyzing an individual's life.

The ascendant is calculated based on your place and time of birth and varies from place to place.
This is because of the difference in latitude and longitude, and the sun rise time.

Lagna is called your individual 1st house.
It must be noted that the lagna may fall in any of the 12 rasis {signs}.

The counting of your individual houses is always done from the lagna.

You will learn about the houses and their importance in the next lesson.

The position of the planets on any given day and time is calculated from the 'ephemeris', called Panchang,
and the horoscopes are made accordingly.
It is not some kind of a mystic charting of planetary names in a chart.
To get a better understanding of the scientific basis of this click here

Difference in measuring the planetary positions –
Vedic vs. Western astrology

Vedic Astrology follows the Niryana {aka the 'sidereal zodiac'}, --
where as the Western Astrology follows the Sayana {aka the 'tropical zodiac'}.

It's a highly complicated astronomical subject.
Briefly the fundamentals are as follows.

The placement and especially the degrees of the planets in the birth chart of a person made according to western astrology differ considerably from the birth chart made according to Indian {aka Hindu, Vedic} astrology.

According to the western sun signs
Sun enters Aries on 21st of March --
but according to our {Indian} calculations
{Sun} enters Aries on the 14th of April.
So there is a '24 degrees difference'.

The Western or “Sayana” zodiac system
makes calculations and predictions based on
the present position of the planets
from a zodiacal point of view or
AS OBSERVED BY THE SATELLITES.

Our system is called “Nirayana” or Indian System.
In the Nirayana system, the planetary positions
are AS SEEN FROM EARTH TODAY
by taking into account the tilting of the North pole by making corrections accordingly.

If you take the standard globe available in the market
and keep it on the table,
you will observe that the North and the south poles are not exactly 90 degrees vertically up but are tilting.
This inclination is about '23+ degrees' to the east and it greatly effects astronomical calculations.
See the picture.

This 'inclination' is caused due to the shifting of the 'vernal equinox', which happens because of the West to East 'spin of the earth' around its axis.
While playing tennis or table tennis,
if you give a sideways spin to the ball
it not only spins in the direction of the spin but also swerves or swings in the air.

Similarly
as the earth is spinning towards the east on its axis,
'the North Pole' is slowly tilting towards the east.

This difference between the longitudes of the starting points of the sidereal,, and tropical zodiacs,, is called Ayanamsha.

The starting points of the sidereal and tropical zodiacs
coincides once in every 25,800 years approximately.

According to accurate scientific calculations,
the present shift started in the year 285 AD,
i.e. 285 years ago the North Pole was perfectly vertical at 90 degrees.

The most accurate method of calculating this ayanamsa
is the Chitrapaksha ayanamsa,
popularly called Lahiri Ayanamsa.

The ayanamsa calculations of the Greeks like Hippocras and Ptolemy were wrong.

The western scientists are officially “credited” with the “discovery” of the accurate shifting of the earth's equinox towards the end of the 19th century.

They found it to be 50″.

It was actually known to the Hindu astrologers long before that.

Varahamihira, the famous astrologer in the court of Vikramaditya in the year 57BC, clearly mentioned in his work Pancha Siddhantika,
based on our ancient Siddhantas,
that the ayanamsa is 50.32 seconds.
This is the most accurate one.

The difference between the Sayana longitudes
and the Nirayana longitudes of Planets
is called “Ayanamsa” or precision.

This Ayanamsa difference is the exactly calculated shift or inclination of the 'equinox'.
..
For example on this day on 23rd June 08,
the exact Ayanamsa or the tilt is 23:58:43 degrees.
From the longitude position of the planets in the Zodiac at this moment, when this Ayanamsa is deducted, we get the 'correct longitude' of the planets (as applicable to our position on earth).

In the western system
as this 'shift of the equinox' is NOT taken into account,
all the planets are about 24 degrees ahead.
The picture given bellow will give you an idea.

The position earth |shown at the bottom in the picture| is with equinox tilted correctly i.e. corrected Ayanamsa.
If you are born on the dark spot see the position difference of Sun if Ayanamsa is not corrected.
We are more concerned as to where the planet is vis-à-vis our position on earth and not as seen by a satellite!
And we definitely don’t follow the equinox position of 285AD !!

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NOTE slight editing and punctuation used
for clarity.
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