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Randall
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posted January 28, 2001 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Are ADD children really dysfunctional, or are they creative geniuses who are being stifled because they don't conform to the rote drilling method of teaching in our schools? Perhaps, ADD is simply a means of revolting against outdated methods of teaching that schools insist upon adhering to! Has EDUCATE been replaced with MEDICATE? What do you Knowflakes think?

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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round?

Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines.

Chris Angelino

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posted January 28, 2001 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
FLOWERS ARE RED
by Harry Chapin

The little boy went to his first day at school
He got some crayons and started to draw...
He put colors all over the paper, for colors was what he saw.
And the teacher said, "What you doin', young man?"
"I'm painting flowers!" he said.
She said..."It's not time for art, young man.
And anyway, flowers are green and red.
There's a time for everything, young man, and a way it should be done.
You've got to show concern for everyone else, for you're not the only one."
And she said, "Flowers are red, young man, and green leaves are green.
There's no reason to see flowers any other way than the way they have always been seen!"
But the little boy said, "THERE ARE SO MANY COLORS IN THE RAINBOW, SO MANY COLORS IN THE MORNIN' SUN, SO MANY COLORS IN A FLOWER, AND I CHOOSE TO SEE EVERY ONE!"
Well, the teacher said,"You're sassy, there's ways that things should be,
and you'll paint the flowers the way they are...so repeat after me"...
And she said, "Flowers are red, young man, green leaves are green.
There's no need to see flowers any other way than they have always been seen!"
And the little boy said, "THERE ARE SO MANY COLORS IN THE RAINBOW, SO MANY COLORS IN THE MORNIN' SUN, SO MANY COLORS IN A FLOWER, AND I SEE EVERY ONE!"

The teacher put him in a corner. She said, "It's for your own good.
And you won't come out till you get it right and all responding like you should."
Well, finally, he got lonely. Frightened thoughts filled his head.
And he went up to his teacher, and this is what he said...
And he said, "Flowers are red, green leaves are green.
There's no need to see flowers any other way than the way they've always been seen."

Time went by like it always does, and they moved to another town.
And the little boy went to another school, and this is what he found.
The teacher there was smiling...She said, "Painting should be fun. And there are so many colors in a flower, so let's use every one."
But the little boy painted flowers in neat rows of green and red. And when the teacher asked him why, this is what he said...He said, "Flowers are red, green leaves are green.
There's no need to see flowers any other way than the way they have always been seen."


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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round?

Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines.

Chris Angelino

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gooberlily
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posted January 28, 2001 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gooberlily     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Randall, that was so beautiful, and so fitting

I do agree that people, especially children, are over-medicated these days. It's true that ADD children are not easy to teach, or to live with at times from what I've heard but, if you care for the soul inside of that child, it is unfair to push that child's special needs aside and over medicate, just so that child might conform.

It hurts my heart to read things like that, to even imagine that we live in a world where we are looked down upon for our individuality. Sadly though, many times, it does happen Different will never mean bad.

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Randall
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posted January 29, 2001 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Different is special.

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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round?

Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines.

Chris Angelino

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gooberlily
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posted January 29, 2001 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gooberlily     Edit/Delete Message
It most certainly is!

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gooberlily
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posted February 04, 2001 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gooberlily     Edit/Delete Message
Good point Purple! I think we as humans like to categorize way too much and stick objects, people, everything into some sort of definition. This color is red...this behavior is "normal". A little bit of acceptance would go a long way in this world.

Acceptance ...the word "accept" has been in my mind a lot lately.

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Randall
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posted February 07, 2001 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Warning: This is a very enlightening thread about--you guessed it--ADD. If you do not have an open mind, or if hearing about the alternative view and opposite side of the ADD hypothesis is offensive to you in any way, then you might want to stop reading at this point. For the rest of you, enjoy the ride!

ADD and ADHD are very much like the witch trials in Salem. The hysteria in that area was almost pandemic. While thousands of people were killed for being witches, only 19 were actually executed in Salem (by hanging), but I chose this as an example due to the link with hysteria. Many women and young girls would go into a frenzy (supposedly possessed by demons brought upon by so-called witches). Perhaps, the first case was due to an epileptic seizure, but then the others learned this behavior by observation. They actually thought they were the victims of withcraft, and so they acted out the role they presumed was indicative of that. They were not dishonest; they were just repeating learned behavior that they observed which agreed with their current belief system. ADD is a cross between this type of simulative behavior and stage hypnosis.

I bet everyone here has seen a stage hypnotist at one time or another. I hope you did not take it seriously! Anyone can do the same. It's a combination of being part comedian and entertainer, part charismatic speaker, and part charlatan. The hypnotist "tests" the audience by seeing who is the most "suggestible." Translation: Those who are most likely to play along! No plants or other chicanery is necessary. You see, human beings have a flaw in their character called empathy (although some, like myself, would say it is an asset). Even cold-blooded killers are subject to empathy from time to time. A hypnotist brings empathy to the forefront in the chosen audience members. They do not want to make the hypnotist look bad, so they play along. Most of them are thinking, "Gee, I must be the only one who isn't hyponotized. I better play along." If a few of the hypnotized people starting saying, "This is crap!" the others would follow suit, and the hypnotist would be laughed off stage! A few of them actually convince themselves that they are really hypnotized and have no say so in what they are doing. They are released from blame, and so they perform the most ridiculous of stunts. The power of belief in humans is astounding. What makes people act like this? Psychologists can only guess. Those hypnotized continue to lie about the deceit even to close friends, because they would otherwise have to explain why they did such crazy acts without being truly under hypnosis. We see such mock behavior all over society; it crosses sexual and cultural biases and norms. Glossolalia (speaking in tongues) io a good example. It is expected in certain churches, and those who do it manage to convince themselves that it is out of their control. Supposedly, it is some ancient Babalonian language (BABBLElonian is more like it). All languages have syntax. Speaking in tongues is gibberish. Other behavior might include "passing out" when the minister touches the forehead. All of this is expected and part of the cultural norms of many churches. It is learned behavior. So is ADD and ADHD. ADD is also rooted in poor study habits and a failure to learn attention skills early in life. Speculation on a particular physical cause has proved futile.

The real tragedy is that we are teaching children that it's okay for them to behave badly. It's not their fault. They are disordered. We are essentially telling them, "Your behavior is not acceptable, but it's okay, because you are not normal. Something is wrong with you." We are giving them a crutch to use the rest of their lives. Many of them will actually believe that they act like they do simply because they are disordered. Therein, lies the real tragedy. Expect children to perform well, and they will rise to the challenge, but have low expectations of children, and they will conform to those lower expectations. This has been proven time and time again in studies. It even has a name. It's called the "self-fulfilling prophecy." It is a tragedy and a national shame that 90 percent of the world's supply of Ritalin is used in the US! This is an atrocity of magnanimous proportion. There is never a reason to drug our children into submission--to stifle their creative urges--or to call their uniqueness a disorder. Woe to America, and shame on all of us.

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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round?

Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines.

Chris Angelino

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Randall
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posted February 07, 2001 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
If my last Post seems a little "out of place," it's because it's part of an essay I wrote for my college class. It's supposed to be a persuasive essay, which is why it being in a room full of teachers, the audience wasn't very pleased.

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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round?

Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines.

Chris Angelino

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YIVY
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posted February 07, 2001 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YIVY     Edit/Delete Message
Good for you, Randall...

If you even got one of them to 'think' about it, you can pat yourself on the back and be PROUD!!

Being the leader 'goat' can be hard at times, but it beats the 'hell' out of being one of the sheep...

I am very very proud of you.


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Randall
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posted February 07, 2001 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks! I've never realized how many sheep there are until this class. No matter how much overwhelming evidence I provide, they just can't seem to let go of their brainwashing. It's sad.

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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round?

Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines.

Chris Angelino

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gooberlily
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posted February 08, 2001 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gooberlily     Edit/Delete Message
HEY! What's wrong with sheep?! Baaaaa aaa aaa!

Just kidding folks That was a really great post Randall. Stirred up my brain cells quite a bit!

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thegreyone
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posted February 08, 2001 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thegreyone     Edit/Delete Message
Kudos Randall!!!
Unfortunately your words are all too true. I'd also just like to add that I miss Harry Chapin.

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Randall
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posted February 10, 2001 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Here's my latest article for school. Enjoy!

Quality Time Versus Quantity Time

Every blessed child is unique in his own way. Some are gifted in academics, some are
"special," some are athletically-inclined, and some are far more creative than the general populace at large. ALL children need the same things from the primary caregiver (parent or parents). Studies clearly show that one good solid hour of QUALITY time is more meaningful, powerful, and nurturing for the development of children than countless hours of simply having a parent present. What is quality time? As teachers, I am sure all of you already know the answer to that, but sometimes the distinctions between the roles of teacher and parent can become blurred, and we all can sometimes get caught up in the machinations of day-to-day existence. Even though we know what is right, it can be difficult to always practice what we preach. After all, we are only human. Those children born on the creative end of the spectrum need parental approval and validation even more so than other children. When a child brings home something from school that they are proud of, how often do parents simply say, "Yes, that's nice" while barely looking at it and continuing to cook, clean, watch the news, or talk on the phone (i.e., doing something more important). But is ANYTHING more important than taking advantage of those instances when a child readily asks for loving approval? This is a special window of opportunity that often gets disregarded due to our hectic schedules. Turn off that tv when your child is talking with you. Stop grading those papers. Listen. Children have things to say that are important to them. They know when you are not really listening. I see it all the time in grocery stores. Parents need to spend at least one hour a day doing what the child wants to do. Make the time. We all know this, but somehow we forget when we getr caught up in the world. While collecting rents with my business partner, the little girl of a low-income renter began a conversation with me. Starved for attention, she couldn't stop talking to me (a person who listened to her opinions). She had collected tiny rocks in a cup and gave me five of them. I asked, "Are these the five best rocks or the five worst?" She said, "These are the VERY best I have." My partner would have thrown them down. What did I do? I wrapped them in a piece of paper and thanked her. The rocks were carefully chosen by criteria only she knew of, and she picked them one by one to add to her collection. To her, she gave me a very special gift, and it meant the world to her to know that I treated the tiny rocks as such. As parents, how many opportunities like this do you let slip by? Of course, you all know this, but please try to be cognizant and observant of these occasions when they occur. You may be missing some of them as they slip by. Regardless of what you think about me or my views on child-rearing and behavior, please take advantage of every opportunity you can when your child comes to you actively seeking approval. There is no greater gift you can give your child, there is no more urgent priority, and there truly is no greater satisfaction to be found in life.

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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round?

Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines.

Chris Angelino

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YIVY
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posted February 10, 2001 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YIVY     Edit/Delete Message
OH, Randall, how RIGHT you are! Even if only for a few minutes, children need some Un-Divided attention...where you focus on them alone...in fact, everyone needs that, but children more as they don't quite understand the DIVIDEDNESS..they are still at that stage where WHOLE ATTENTION to a subject is ALL.

In a gathering where adults and children are present, if a child speaks to me I give him/her the same consideration I would want given me. I actually get down with them and eye to eye (being short its a little easier for me )I 'really' listen. I include them...Perhaps that is why most kids love to come over to "Aunt Yvonne's".

In the antique/collectable store I share with my sister-in-law, I see children with their parents come in. The first thing out of a parent's mouth is, "Now, don't touch anything" I swear...most kids believe DON'T TOUCH is their middle name.

So me, I keep a basket of small toys and let the kids 'have at it' with them. They are considerably more careful than most of the adults..

I can spend hours with kids in the yard looking for 'four-leaf clovers', picking flowers (yes, they can pick what I grow), chasing each other or just 'BEING'.

I find children ask the most amazing questions and come up with novel and wonderful ideas...Parents who never listen to their children don't have a clue as to how much they are missing.

Oh, yes, Randall...when I have a choice of wondering off with the kids or sitting and talking with the adults...the kids win, hands down!
If you want to say young...hang around with kids...

Another thing I noticed is...kids love to help out. Most adults either won't let them or make it a chore. As I was stripping wall paper it made a terrible mess on the floor. This little girl, 4, came over and wanted to help. Her grandmother said don't bother her.

I said sure...She looked at the mess on the floor and asked if she would pick it up and put it in the trash bag. I said ok...we talked while we worked. I looked down on the floor and that little in less than 30 minutes had it clean.

The trick was we had fun. I pulled a long strip off, said OOPS here's another one she ran to pick it up before it hit the floor. We laughed. Then I let her pull paper, and laughed at the mess. We played, not worked.

When it was time for her to go, she didn't want to she wanted to work til it was finished. I included her, not TOLD her. That made a difference. After the room was finished, painted and looked nice. She was proud (even though she only worked at picking up paper for an hour) and loves to show it off.

She tells people she and I did it.
Oh, yes, kids love to work. It is all in how we go about it. I always play when working (kids or not, I am kid enough)...nothing ever seems a chore.

Didn't mean to run on so much. YES, Randall....a good essay..

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Randall
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posted February 10, 2001 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round?

Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines.

Chris Angelino

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Randall
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posted March 11, 2001 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
The best thing that can be done for schools is to educate parents about ADD and ADHD (that it doesn't exist and that they have been duped by a menacing collusion between the psychiatric theocracy and the pharmaceutical companies). You scratch my back, I'll scratch your back, and the children are merely means to a financial end. None of this could have been done without the willing duplicity and complacency on the part of the teachers, all of whom should be fired (if they ever said, "Use drugs, or else"). After educating parents that they have been duped, then a class action lawsuit against the manufacturers of ADD drugs should be filed alleging the following: The drug companies were aware that ADD did not truly exist, they forced these drugs upon children with the conspiring help of the APA, and that they continued to do so despite a mountain of evidence that the drugs were harmful and that such disorders did not exist. Hundreds of neurologists, psychologists, and psychiatrists would be on our side as expert witnesses! They should be sued for all the profits they have made off the drugs, which should be distributed to the parents of children damaged by Ritalin and other child-peddled psychopharmaceuticals. I would ask for a Trillion Dollar Judgment! This will be the largest class action lawsuit in herstory! We may only get a Billion Dollar Settlement, but all such drug production would cease and desist. The real victims are the children who grow up thinking that they have something wrong with them. There has been a quiet war ravaged upon our nation's children, and it is time to take our kids back! If this is a war, we need to ensure that the children win. Shame on all of us for allowing this to continue for so long. Shame on us all. JUST SAY NO...TO RITALIN!

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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round?

Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines.

Chris Angelino

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Randall
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posted March 12, 2001 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Ahh, what a magnanimous dream, but it will come true when the time is right.

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Consider the circle, measure it please,
All its three hundred and sixty degrees.
Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found
You can do it again, the other way 'round?

Now that we know how many degrees,
Must be accounted for nice as you please
Here come astrologers, what do they say?
Divide the degrees in precisely this way.
Take thirty degrees for each of the signs
It makes a nice wheel divided by lines.

Chris Angelino

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Randall
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posted December 02, 2001 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Auriel has pointed out to me that ADHD can be detected in a natal chart. That makes sense, since it is behavior, and some people will naturally be more active, while others are less active. What people don't realize, though, is that both sides of the spectrum are perfectlky normal.

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"Man is the only animal that blushes...or needs to." Mark Twain

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posted April 08, 2002 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
Easy for you to say, Randall....but do you live with someone who has ADD? Have you personally seen the difference with your very own sibling on medication (not ritalin), and off medication?

Easy for you to place the blame on a failure to learn attention skills early in life. My brother has ADD, but my other brother and I do not. We were raised by the same two people, went to the same schools, even had a lot of the same teachers.

My brother who has ADD is an honor roll student and professional tennis player. Using ADD as a crutch? I don't think so. But let me tell you it is no fun to live with him when he doesn't take his medicine. I'm no big fan of medicine, and my parents aren't either, but there is a significant change in him now that he's found the right medicine.

My parents had to be so patient, so loving, and so determined to raise my brother. Maybe it shouldn't be called a "disorder," but it is very real. In some cases, such as my brother's, it can happen from the umbilical cord being wrapped around the head at birth. This stops the flow of oxygen to the brain.

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posted April 08, 2002 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry to disagree, but I've been around many ADD and ADHD children (I went to school to be a teacher). The brain deprived of oxygen would cause mental retardedness, not Mental genius. I never said the behavior isn't real.

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posted April 08, 2002 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for drivinghome1966     Edit/Delete Message
Boy is this up my alley. I was diagnoes with "hyperactivity" as a child. Mom said I was always "on the go". I was medicated with Ritalin more on than off til I was 12. Now, as an adult I still struggle with it, IMMENSELY. I, of course, never "grew out it". I have been telling doctors for YEARS that I strugggled with the symptoms and that the occasional speed that I would helped a lot, but of course, as usual, I am not taken seriously. For years it infuriated me-there was nothing I could do. NOW, they are finding it to be an adult disorder(even though they don't recognize it in the DSM as being a legitimate adult disorder. Well, I found a doctor who properly diagosed me and put me on Dexedrine, this was three years ago. I am not presently taking it(haven't for 2 and a half years now), but I can tell you that I seriously NEED to be on it. I don;t feel as though I am "running on all cylinders" is how I describe it. Gosh there are so many symptoms!The lack of focus and concentration, mood-swings, hyper-sensitivity,feeling "in a fog", "blanking out", sensitivity to noise, just to name a few.
I have a hard time holding down a job,staying on one thing at a time,I lose interest easy,I can be hostile and grumpy,distracted easily,etc.
Astrologically, I have determined,for me, that the heavy 3rd house placements including the sun, mercury and mars all in Aries plays a big role. the fact that Mercury is retrograde, cazimi and intercepted play a role I am sure.Can anyone tell me what else astrologically ADD or ADHD can be?
This is something thta for now will be treated medicinally for me. I am tired of contending this point with counselors or doctors or anyone else who has a problem with it when they don't or can't possibly understand. For now, I know what will work for me, next week, I go back to my doctor whom I haven't seen for a long time.
Now, letme go back and read this whole column, because I got excited to write and lack the initial focus to not want to digress!

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posted April 08, 2002 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
I could tell you about the research that has been done, the doctors that have proven it, and my personal experience, but what is that really going to do? You're not going to change your mind, and either am I. I don't want to argue with you. So let's agree to disagree and move on.

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