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Elena P
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posted May 15, 2006 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elena P     Edit/Delete Message
Has anybody an experience of working in such relation: Virgo boss and you're open,optimistic broad - minded Aries? It seems to me i'm in crisis. This Virgo restricts me in everything.He wants to know everything: with whom do i talk, what about, where do i go. Can one call it a discipline? Let alone his criticism. What ever you do, there are always some people who do it better. I'm already afraid of him....

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shop22much
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posted May 25, 2006 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shop22much     Edit/Delete Message
yuck...i had an virgo boss......HORRIBLE

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Elena P
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posted May 25, 2006 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elena P     Edit/Delete Message
Fine words,thank you. I've already changed the boss on Pisces, after 10 years of working with this Virgo.......May be it's not the best variant but it'll not be worse

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Belage
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posted June 01, 2006 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
Umm, I don't know if Virgos make the worst bosses. I am Virgo, so I may be biased. Lol.

I think Aries don't like to have a boss, period. Remember, Aries is the first sign of the zodiac, so it does not take orders or direction well. It wants to be the boss.

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Elena P
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posted June 01, 2006 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elena P     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for your reply, Belage. I, of course, understand that situation can be different in Virgo boss Aries subordinate relation. It seems i read in Linda's books that it can be a present for Aries.And i know that some great Aries people had Virgo mother or father. Most of my friends are Virgoes (and Scorps...). My brother- in -low is the best Virgo i've ever met. But in the frame of office the situation is a bit different: too many restrictions, stubbornness and how was said by the actor Vladimir Vysotsky in the film :
" Stubborness is the first sign of stupidity." It's in general, but in my case there is something else, i don't so far understand What...I couldn't go on a buisness trip as my collegues did, i couldn't work with other people as all my people did, my salary depended on his mood and always it was less then others. Many years i thought that when i'll work better the situation will change, but i grew up and see i worked not worse and i worked even more then others and now i have a good experience of my work and what? Nothing has changed. May be it's his complex that woman can do more then he does? Or his strange dreams about something unreal? He is older on 24 years and, of course,he knows how to sting. But i don't trust him any more.

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Belage
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posted June 02, 2006 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
Elena, based on your description, your boss doesn't seem to be fair or balanced. If he is placing too many restrictions and rules, that tells me he may have too many planets in Virgo. Yeah, that can be a pain in the neck.

If you have his exact date of birth, why don't you check what kind of aspects his chart makes to yours, even if you don't have his exact time of birth? If he has Saturn or Pluto making an unfriendly angle to any of your planets, I would advice you to move on. And with Saturn, if he even has Saturn conjunct any of your planets, that means he has much power over you. If so, I would move on.

I once had an employee who had Saturn smack on my Venus, and no matter how bad she was, and she was bad, I couldn't get rid of her. She was taking credit for my work and getting away with it. It was unbelievable.

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Kamilla
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posted June 04, 2006 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kamilla     Edit/Delete Message
I can definitely relate. I am a Sagittarius and my ex was a Virgo. He used to drive me up the wall with many typical Virgo traits which were not necessarily all bad but to me felt totally suffocating.

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Elena P
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posted June 05, 2006 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elena P     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Kamilla and Belage for your kind attention. It's a shame, being on astrological site, i dont know how to see the aspects of the chart. But what's the use now... I'm a bit restrained, of course,i must admit: not all was bad, this Virgin needed me,i felt it, my advices, initiative,his touching attentiveness when i was in poor health.There are really two persons in him: the first one is deeply hidden:modest and honest and the other is cruel and hypocrite. For me the last overweighted. Those little invisible things..
when the whole department receives the new chairs and only you're is forgotten.He wanted me TO COME and TO ASK. I'm sure he'd give his but first you must be humilated and soooo many others " little things". Even angels were on my side,though it's rather difficult to change the boss in our tough structure i could do it. But it seems the situation when "the winner takes zero". Now i have a freedom with my Pisces boss, a lot of time for dreaming and still don't know what to do with it and where to go...

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Belage
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posted June 06, 2006 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
Elena, best of luck with your Pisces boss. Hopefully, this will be a better fit.

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Elena P
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posted June 08, 2006 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elena P     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, thank you, Belage.
As it was said somewhere on Lindaland " You cannot discover the new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore"...

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posted June 10, 2006 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Inner depths     Edit/Delete Message
My last job I had a Virgo boss and we got along just fine. He thoughts I was a great worker who got things done and told me if I had any problems I could go talk to him. he admired my strength when dealing with the homeless people that came into the building.

Sadly towards the end of my time at my job - I think he developed some strange crush on me which really creeped me out. He said something to the effect that I was his sunshine. Ugh. He then wanted to know who I was outside of work and that he hated the company policy that was in place. (he is old enough to be my father.....ugh)

So my experience was a mixed thing. Though I'm very gald I'm away from there.

He called me sometime after I left and wanted to go for coffee. I found a way to really drive him away to the point where he doesn't bother with me any more. (I had a middle of the night emergency and had to go to the hospital - I was trying to find a ride to the hospital and an ambulance ride costs $500. He was one of the people I called and said to take an ambulance because he didn't want to take me in)......and that was the end of him.....

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marsconjunctmercury
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posted June 13, 2006 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for marsconjunctmercury     Edit/Delete Message
My boss is Virgo except he's not there much as he's onb the mainland. It's complicated but basically i'm going through the official disciplinary procedure at the moment. My Virgo boss hates me because i'm insubordinate and and refuse to roll over. A couple of times his tellings-off have been reversed and i've ended up telling him and his underling off.
I s'pose objectively he is nit-picking, and i s'pose i do wind him up to the hilt. We basically clash big-time, but he tends to leave me alone more recently because he can't handle me. Lol!

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Elena P
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posted June 13, 2006 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elena P     Edit/Delete Message
My ex - boss couldn't handle neither me nor another my collegues, there was only one girl who always said "yes" and run her own business. Strange, but her salary is the highest

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The Virgin
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posted July 24, 2006 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Virgin     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, I know this thread is a bit old but I can't resist adding my two cents.
I was a supervisor for three years. I credited people who did well and tried to help those who didn't. Some just needed a bit of encouragement, some weren't cut out for the job while other's expected to get paid for doing nothing.

While I don't consider myself a hard person to work with of for, I do have a strong work ethic but I don't expect people to live up to the standards I have for myself, because frankly sometimes I go above and beyond-I've passed out from being sick at two different jobs and only stated I needed to leave after that. I would never expect someone who was obviously sick to stay at work or come in. But I would like to note, my supervisors at the time did not suggest I go home even though my being sick was obvious. One even made me wait until someone came in to cover for me.

What I do expect is that people pull their own weight and when you have this criteria you're seen as a hard a** or a bit*h, depending on your station in the company.

If you want a boss who will let you slack and do your own thing, find one that likes to be kissed up to and start smooching-they aren't hard to find. If you want to do your job then find a boss who appreciates it. These people are harder to find-I've only had three out of many.

There, I feel better now.

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Kamilla
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posted July 25, 2006 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kamilla     Edit/Delete Message
That reminded me of the story about some old guy who was retiring. He received a special award for not taking one sick day ever during his 25 or 50, whatever, years with the company. Everyone couldn't be happier to see him leave because on many occassions his sneezing, coughing and spreading germs otherwise, while he was playing "the hero" got the entire office sick.

Personally, I see nothing to be proud of in showing up at work when you should be in bed and send my staff home if this is the case. Number one, you can never expect 100% performance from someone who is not well and mistakes that could be made might cost a lot of money.(Assuming we are talking about professional positions) Number two, if it's contageous, it's simply not fair to other employees.

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"If you want a boss who will let you slack and do your own thing, find one that likes to be kissed up to and start smooching-they aren't hard to find. If you want to do your job then find a boss who appreciates it. These people are harder to find-I've only had three out of many."

Please forgive my sceptism but this statement suggest changing many jobs and if it's so hard to find a boss truly appreciative to high standards, wouldn't one be enough? Why three?

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Elena P
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posted July 27, 2006 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elena P     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you The Virgin and Kamilla for your responses, they help me to analyze the situatin i passed through... Now my ex - boss goes around me to control how the things are going on... He already makes friends with people in my room...It seems to me i'll never avoid of him. Now he is our Boss deputy. The one thing came to my mind: all the years i've worked with him i struggled with his JEALOUSY. What he always tried to do is to isolate me from important people, from trips... low salary.. My God i've worked with this Monster for 10 years.
He has a family and 25 years elder. Such a Virgin - boss. Sometimes i think it's my 4 planets in the 12 th house. And whom to complain? He does nothing, i'm simply isolated till i won't come to him to ask for something and it won't be the end... The chief boss is always somewhere abroad, he trusts his deputy a lot..

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The Virgin
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posted July 28, 2006 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Virgin     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Kamilla, as I said I go above and beyond and it's usually to my own detriment. As I also stated my bosses at the time had no problem with my staying. And the one who made we wait would not have let me go under any other circumstance.

I don't know why you are skeptical about my having a bunch of crappy bosses and only three good ones. Yes, I have had many jobs. Most I ended up leaving because I reached my breaking point with all of the b.s. (Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are in charge of many companies) A few I left for more money. Of the three enviornments I enjoyed working in: One was a mom and pop smoke shop. Unfortunately I had a car accident that kept me from working for a while and they had to replace me-which is understandable. The other was a convenient store. The boss, who was a Libra, was very good to her people and everyone liked and respected her and would bend over backwards for her and she would do the same for us. The company ran her out because she was people and not company, they replaced her with a grade a certified bit*h, who was an Aquarius, which is a sign I genreally like but she was afflicted somewhere. The turnover rate went from almost non exsistent to everyone walking out in one day. I was the last to go when I called out sick for the first time in over a year after working a double for her a month earlier because someone called out and she wouldn't have been able to take her trip she had planned if someone wouldn't work it. When I called out, which happened to be the day her crew said goodbye (unknown to me) she chewed me a new one over the phone, so I added in my goodbye. You could say she was under stress and I should have understood but you know there was a reason everyone walked out.

The thrid and where I am presently employed is another mom and pop shop where I'm shown respect and appreciation. I even got a substantial bonus during the holidays for helping out during a trying time at work.

There's always money at stake in any business, but I don't consider the size of the company or the reputation to qualify as professional. When a business is run by someone who treats people like human beings-that is being professional.

Elana I don't think your problem with your boss has anything to do with his being a Virgo. He has issues and probably needs some psychological help.

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Elena P
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posted July 29, 2006 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elena P     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, the Virgin, your remark made me smile, you said the words my husband often tells me Now i can analyse the situation: to work smoothly with my ex - boss:
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you must feel that you're higher then others (it was difficult, i worked with many old people and was brought up to respect them)
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You must be in good relations with Him (to come to his room once or twice a day)
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To become friends with some highers (to proove that he's a very important figure and can supply such a cool girls (it's marketing, don't mix with...)
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To do quickly the work,the other "cool" refused to do (that what i did most of the time)
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Be patient
(when he sits nearer and nearer to you, the following steps i don't know)
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You must despise all out of your circle
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Don't forget about obedience to the "coolest" in the circle (for me it was a secret why
should i subdue to those who came to this job only one year earlier, could come to the work whenever she like...and has the same status as i)

Now the circle is expanded, the coolest took slaves, slaves are growing up, they feel they can do the great thing in this life, the tension b/w slaves and coolest is increasing, they become easy for boss manipulation: not exact smile, not proper tone...OK, the bonus will recieve your "friend" (abroad trip, money)
And remember you're HIS, like in harem,when i was appointed to be the favourite wife, i ran away
Ah, the last thing was a letter on me from the "former wife" with description how bad iam.
Why did i stay for 10 years? I loved my WORK very much.Sorry for emotion after all probably i need also psycholigical help.

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