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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted July 08, 2010 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
type 1 - acts like they don't understand. puzzled expression usually worn. this is the first employee that mentions lunch and what are we going to eat today...anyway.... nobody gets upset when they screw things up, because no one expects them to know anything. new tasks are ignored, old tasks pile up and someone who actually needs the work done, swoops down and does it, while the puzzled looking employee collects check and look busy randomly looking at assorted papers throught the day. which is fine. not much is expected. these people are considered the dummies of any company.

type 2 - gets thier job done, and done correctly, therby makeing them the person who gets picked to take on new tasks and more responsibility. when they screw up, they get reamed, because people don't expect them to screw up. type 1 employee will ask type 2 employee how something is done so many times that type 2 employee eventually just does the work themselves. type 2 employee usually makes "slightly" more than type 1 employee. BUT, type 1 employees aren't also good with money and therefore no one expects them to pay for anything, have money or handle bills either.

now, most people see type 2 employee as the smart one. but...who is actually smarter?
i almost think type 1. they don't do much of anything, they have no responsibilities, no one gets mad when they screw up and no one expects better from them. they can always call an overloaded type 2 employee to teach them how to do something and they rarely feel bad when type 2 is overloaded, after all, type 2 gets paid more right?

blank look optional.

iq and brian power aside..

who is smarter?

i am almost inclined to believe acting stupid at work is smarter than showing capabilities and knowledge.

today anyway.

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posted July 08, 2010 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
I took 11 pages of notes on a new system, in training with 25 other women. we all attended the same meetings / trainings. I was the only one who took notes, at all, period..

Not one person better call me and ask me how to use the new system. not one. we all attended the same training and i am very very tired of doing other peoples work while they sit around looking puzzled. for the next 6 months i will not be taking calls.

maybe a cosmic something going on, I am feeling stressed a bit and really tired of high expectations and 3-4 trainings on the same stuff with the same people.

breathe in ..breathe out...

next job i ever get, I am acting STUPID! don't expect much and i will deliver it consistantly!!!!
and i would absolutely LOVE to act too STUPID to pay bills! wouldn't you?

i think my t-square is activated.

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posted July 08, 2010 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
DOH!

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posted July 08, 2010 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
sorry cpn you'll never pull it off. some people are just made honest...

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posted July 08, 2010 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message
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next job i ever get, I am acting STUPID!

you are proving your brilliance.

I wish I had thought of that years ago!

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posted July 08, 2010 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, type 1 is smarter, except in your case it sounds as if they're unintentionally that way, so they may actually be stupid.

I'm kind of in the middle of these types. Type 2 hasn't paid off for me in several attempts. Partly because I worked for small companies where the boss/owner was fickle, or didn't have a clear vision. Then I relegated myself to type 2, but it's really no fun to know how to do things better than your manager in a larger type of company. How is it that my boss doesn't know exactly what's required of her personel (a job she used to have herself)? Why won't she challenge herself to find better ways of doing things? It baffles me.

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posted July 08, 2010 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
node - i think i love you

kat - no easy way out, huh? i suppose, i can dream that someday i will be paid to do what i love and travel like a gypsy selling my wares out of my vw bus.

ag - that is what they hired you for! so they don't have to figure it out! definately type 2 dude. i was even told upon hire to memorize laws policies and procedures so i could make sure everone followed them, including the owners. at least they were up front about it.

hallalujah tomorrow is friday!

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posted July 08, 2010 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
You'll never be able to act stupidly and screw things up cpn.

There's nothing harder for a type 2 person/Type A personality to do than watch someone else screw something up without jumping in and getting the job done right.

Sorry cpn, you're just going to have to live with it...or blow a fuse when you go against your basic instincts.

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posted July 09, 2010 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, CPN, it's that sixth house mars! Blast it!!

I have known many bartenders who were much more sucessful than myself, who, when approached to make a froo-froo drink, acted like they didn't know how just to get out of it.
I bought it hook, line and sinker.

I was telling them how easy it is to make a 'whatever' and they were like, " I know EXACTLY how to make it, but that's too much work, and they don't pay me enough to do it."

I still don't really get it. I'm thinkin' give them what they want, get a better tip, but I've been proven wrong time and time again.

My sixth house drives me insane. I clean stuff nobody has EVER cleaned at work.
Last week, I accidently scrubbed the paint off the wall, trying to remove a very suspicious stain. ARGGGG!

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posted July 09, 2010 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
gyps - you remind me of a time when i was a bartender. i wasn't busy so i took all the liquer down and scrubbed the shelves, the couple that was in there gave me 100 dollar tip and a job offer..they said they never saw a bartender clean the shelves!

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posted July 09, 2010 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
jwhops - are you sure about that? i have actor conjunct my sun, i can be whoever i want in 30 seconds flat, believably. hell, i reinvent myself at least annually.

but you are probobly right, i will just keep on keeping on until i tell them off and then keep on keeping on some more.

happy friday!

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posted July 09, 2010 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Type 1 appears smarter. Type 2 is just a sheep

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posted July 09, 2010 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
well with the bartending experience it paid off. the lady hired me to work at her specailty restaurant/bar (exotic alligator dishes and what not) and although i had to wear 3 inch heels (she measured) and skirts 3 inches above the knee (she meassured) i made a TON of money working for her. a TON! that was years ago, a lifetime ago.

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posted July 09, 2010 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
personally i am unable to do something just because i am asked/told to by the boss. in fact the idea of having a "boss" just doesn't really compute...even when i have had them i have treated them as equals - lucky them they returned the courtesy!!

but leave me to my own devices and i will do more than you thought of asking...

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posted July 09, 2010 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Musette     Edit/Delete Message
There's a small chance that type 1 is being wily, but in my experience 99.9% of the time they really are as stupid and inept as they act. In this situation, the person who is is definitely not smart is the manager as type 1 should be fired and replaced with someone competent and type 2 should be given a promotion. Bad management that rewards type 1 and rails type 2 will drive away the type 2 people from the company, leaving it with the incompetent type 1 people, which renders the company dysfunctional. Why that is so hard for many managers to understand, I don't know. I had my first management job as a teenager and I understood it then!

Kat, I am like you in that I will do more on my own than I will being ordered. I think a lot of people are like that. Whenever I managed I never micromanaged and I allowed people carte blanche in how they performed their jobs as long as things got done correctly on time. Often the person doing the actual job can figure out a better, more timely way to do it than someone managing from the outside. Most of the time I had my own managers who understood that, but I did wrangle with a few who believed in the "put the bossy in boss" style of management. Thank goodness I'm the only boss now...

CPN, it's finally Friday! I hope things get better and less frustrating for you at work soon.

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posted July 09, 2010 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
hehhhehe

there is whole research in psychology on self-handicapping. You are right its a strategy with specific outcomes in mind.

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posted July 09, 2010 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
lol cpn i made a ton of money in a few bars too, but the managers who tried to change my dress or style were VERY frustrated people...till they saw the take i brought in!! then they generally shut up and put up.

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posted July 09, 2010 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
isn't that funny kat. i always made like twice as much as the other waitresses too.

some of the get-ups i had to wear through those young years though...puhlease.

please go to the tina turner thread in gu. i grow weary of waiting for you.

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posted July 09, 2010 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
thanks mussette. i usually don't mind helping the girls out at work. it just made me mad that they count on it and not one took notes. ya know. it's all good.

and what i consider slightly more on the money, they would consider significantly more. its all perspective.

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posted July 13, 2010 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message
CPN - we pinned 2 notices on our board today, and they are spookily relevant here!

The Cracked Pot Story:

A water bearer in India had two large pots,
one hung on each end of a pole which he carried
across his neck. One of the pots had a crack
in it, and while the other pot was perfect and always
delivered a full portion of water at the end
of the long walk from the stream to the
master's house. The cracked pot arrived only half full.

For a full two years this went on daily, with the bearer delivering only one and a half pots full of water in his master's house.

Of course, the perfect pot was proud of its accomplishments, perfect to the end for which it was made.

But the poor cracked pot was ashamed of its own imperfection, and miserable that it was able to accomplish only half of what it had been made to do.

After two years of what it perceived to be a bitter failure, it
spoke to the water bearer one day by the stream.
"I am ashamed of myself, and I want to apologize to you."

Why?" asked the bearer.

"What are you ashamed of?"

"I have been able, for these past two years, to deliver only half my load because this crack in my side causes water to leak out all the way back to your master's house.

Because of my flaws, you have to do all of this work, and you don't get full value from your efforts," the pot said.

The water bearer felt sorry for the old cracked pot, and in his compassion he said, "As we return to the master's house, I want you to notice the beautiful flowers along the path."

Indeed, as they went up the hill, the old cracked pot took notice of the sun warming the beautiful wild flowers on the side of the path, and this cheered it some.

But at the end of the trail, it still felt bad because it had leaked out half its load, and so again it apologized to the bearer for its failure.

The bearer said to the pot, "Did you notice that there were flowers only on your side of your path, but not on the other pot's side?

That's because I have always known about your flaw, and I took advantage of it. I planted flower seeds on your side of the path, and every day while we walk back from the stream, you've watered them.

For two years I have been able to pick these beautiful flowers
to decorate my master's table. Without you being just the way you are, he would not have this beauty to grace his house."

Moral: Each of us has our own unique flaws. We're all cracked pots. But it's the cracks and flaws we each have that make our lives together so very interesting and rewarding. You've just got to take each person for what they are, and look for the good in them. There is a lot of good out there.

There is a lot of good in us!
Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape.

The Engineer and the Manager:

A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes he is lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts: "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised my friend I would meet him half an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man below says: "Yes. You are in a hot air balloon, hovering approximately 30 feet above this field. You are between 40 and 42 degrees N. latitude, and between 58 and 60 degrees W. longitude."

"You must be an engineer," says the balloonist.

"I am," replies the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," says the balloonist, "everything you have told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost.

"The man below says, "You must be a manager."

"I am," replies the balloonist, "but how did you know?"

"Well," says the man, "you don't know where you are, or where you are going. You have made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is you are in the exact same position you were in before we met, but now it is somehow my fault."


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posted July 13, 2010 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
good points!

thanks for posting these stories eskimono! !

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posted July 13, 2010 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message
I struggle to accept people's faults - it is to remind me to be more tolerant.

Whilst I would never blindly accept the behaviour of type 1, I am guilty of loading down type 2 because I trust them to get the work done. Your point is a very valid one, and one I prefer not to think about as I compare myself to some of the managers around me!

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posted July 13, 2010 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
yeah, its good to remember it is just a means to an end too and not get too wrapped up about it.

i work to live, not live to work.

era-body has thier days i suppose.

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posted July 13, 2010 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
This belongs in Labors of Love

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posted July 14, 2010 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message
I'm moving this to Labors of Love.

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