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teasel
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posted August 15, 2010 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unsocialized

"How do they get socialized?" This is a question that almost every homeschooling family hears, and we hear it often. Most of us have become accustomed to politely answering it by explaining that our children have co-ops and dance classes and sports and other activities etc. I have found myself repeating this same polite answer more times than I can count over the years - until recently.

Recently, another Mom asked the inevitable question "What school do your kids go to?" I explained first that we are Independently Educated (a term I coined some years ago that I feel better describes what we do) but that just evoked a baffled expression, so I smiled and said "We homeschool". Naturally this was met by the inevitable "Oh, I see" and then I just waited...and sure enough within a minute the next question came "So how do they get socialized?" (Never mind the irony that this question came at an actual social event, which is often the case)

Now, I've answered this question literally hundreds of times over the years but today was different. Today, I had an epiphany. As I opened my mouth to begin to recite my rehearsed response about how the kids join homeschool groups and co-ops and have activities that they do in order to get socialized, I stopped. I stopped because I realized that I'm lying. That's right; I'm totally full of it!

It occurred to me suddenly at that moment, that as Independent Educators, our children are not in-fact, 'socialized' whatsoever. Many adults today have been socialized and as a result many of us are walking around with social anxiety issues having had any healthy ability to interact with human beings schooled right out of us. Alas my husband and I were both thankfully among many fortunate enough to have broken free of the experience and now we've successfully avoided having to subject our children to this bizarre process of being socialized. And I call it a process because that is truly what it is isn't it?

This time, the question sounded so strange to me. "How do they get socialized?" Get socialized? I considered all of the times that I've been asked that exact question and the words echoed in my mind. I also recalled even more bizarre wording of another popular question from those who where particularly aghast "Aren't you afraid they will end up being unsocilalized?"

Unsocilalized? Well that's a whole new term now isn't it? It sounds like a terrible syndrome "That poor child is unsocialized" Eeek! Hmmm... the word itself got me thinking and was I ever relieved when I realized that we are indeed unsocialized!

It's true. We are an independent education family and as such our kids do not get 'socialized'. Oh, they meet people, they make friends, and they have a packed calendar for sure as well as unlimited time to experience their world. Sure, they have a pretty healthy social life. But what they are not is "socialized".

So in response to the question asked on that particular day "How do they get socialized", after a long enough pause to experience this epiphany, I responded honestly and emphatically: "they don't!" And I felt wonderfully liberated for having admitted it!

The other Mom wasn't amused, and appeared both exasperated and confused but decided to discontinue our conversation and politely distracted herself with her cell phone. I'm guessing she was probably texting someone about the crazy homeschooling lady she'd just met at the community pool. It didn't matter to me, I was delightfully reveling in my new epiphany and pondering the very idea of 'socialization'.

The word itself suddenly sounded creepy to me! I mean, yikes! What did it even mean? "Socialized"? It sounds like a procedure to be performed. Is it an injection? A pill? Is it an exercise? I felt a sudden repulsion to the very term.

Here are the definitions of the word:

- to train for a social environment; "The children must be properly socialized"
- make conform to socialist ideas and philosophies
- the adoption of the behavior patterns of the surrounding culture
- under group or government control; "socialized ownership"

adapt.. conform... assimilate... these terms made me shudder and I decided that it's just not for me, thanks! The word itself insinuates a process of indoctrination - something that we homeschoolers have purposely chosen to avoid. No thanks!

It appears to be a pretty common assumption that a child must be enrolled in a traditional education system in order to meet people or make a friend, or learn how to communicate with other human beings. For some reason, it's a popular belief that this is the sole opportunity for interaction and there is nothing but a vacuum of space and time between the home and the school building.

A typical child attending the typical school spends approximately six hours per day, five days per week, thirty eight weeks per year away from their family and in an educational institution, having information downloaded into them. While these children are busy getting socialized, there is an entire world of life continuously unfolding beyond those doors. Our world provides an unlimited potential for learning and growth and exploration as well as unlimited opportunity to meet people.

I am proudly exclaiming that I don't want my kids to 'get socialized'. I want them to experience life. I enjoy that my children have developed a very natural ability to make friends without being deliberately plunked into a room full of other similar children. Because they have more time to explore and interact and learn from the actual 'real world' that exists beyond the walls of a classroom, they are able to form relationships organically and naturally, without regulation or method or borders. What's more, they have the freedom and the time to grow and experience life by actually experiencing life, instead of getting socialized.

Yes folks, we are happily, uniquely and wonderfully unsocilaized! And we wouldn't want it any other way!

By: Laurette Lynn

Laurette is passionate about helping people discover parenting in such a way that it resonates in their life, their children's lives and their world! Her objective is to help parents discover the benefits and joys of family life with Independent Education - an experience that goes beyond the logistics of academics and breaks free of the box of simply 'schooling' at home.

It's a bold and audacious journey into the art of Active Parenting that shakes the foundation of 'normal' and dramatically improves the entire family dynamic!

Being an Independent Educator for her own three children for nearly a decade now, Laurette has helped many decide whether this path was right for them. She also coaches parents who are new to homeschooling or whom perhaps need a little extra help and encouragement.

Laurette also delivers this positive message as a Motivational Speaker for home education organizations and events. You can also hear her on web-radio (September 2010) and read her inspiring words in various online and print sources, including her blog "The Audacious Mom".

For more information, please visit Laurette at http://www.Laurettelynn.com.

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posted August 15, 2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A facebook friend posted this a little while ago... I ended up being homeschooled after I dropped out of school at the age of fifteen, when we moved to California. I turned to homeschooling, after I'd changed from a highly self-confident little girl, to a total anxious wreck - partially thanks to the children I went to school with. I didn't do the "woe is me" thing - I went, and I tried, but you know how that goes. I didn't need to be socialized when I was small - it came naturally to me.

When I was homeschooled, I was able to travel around the state of California, and elsewhere, if we had visitors, or I needed to go for some reason. I did my homework in hotel rooms, or my living room - my teachers never had a problem with my not completing assignments. It was one of the best times of my life.

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posted August 19, 2010 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great topic!

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posted August 22, 2010 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nice one teasel. i agree completely. the only child who needs "training" to be socialized is the one who lives in a vacuum or whose parents are utterly devoid of social skills...which they probably learned from too much school.

i homeschooled my daughter from age 12. i wish i had started sooner but i could not be at home or take her to work with me...she suffered most from the belief that this was not "normal" after too many years under the yoke. she is now in recovery from that!!

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posted August 24, 2010 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Socialised..it just sounds like how you would train your pet to behave.

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posted August 26, 2010 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Contrary to popular belief the point of school is not to turn weird little weirdo's into "normal" adults. It's actually to gain knowledge! Duh! And I reckon you can do better in that goal by doing homeschooling. I mean lets look at the word "socialized" and ask, would the following apply ... in my kindergarten class when they were all starting out at the start of the year some kids were noisy crazy and violent and some were shy and scared and reserved. Now ALL of them are noisy crazy and violent! Seriously, although I'm exaggerating a little it's not much ... I've seen it over and over again ... the sensitive students tend to be influenced by the bullying students and NOT the other way round. School really is a jungle. Schools are becoming outdated and unaffordable and just plain inefficient ... It really is a LOT of resources spent on something that doesn't really work as it ought to. I never set out to become a teacher and in fact since I'm a sort specialist in the sense that I'm a foreign language teacher (where the 'foreign language' is English) so I'm like a pseudo teacher or a quasi teacher ... but I reckon I'm a good teacher because for me the focus is not socialization, but learning!! Socializing is easy ... It comes naturally even to the most introverted ... no-one is a complete island ... even if you tend to isolation, as I do, socializing is sort of one of those natural animal instincts that you needn't pick up from a trainer or teacher ... you just do it, like breathing! The point of school should be to put your brain and your sense of wonder to use. If you can do that better at home then that's much better!

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posted August 26, 2010 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
school here has been exactly one week in session and my grandson has had trouble with his new teacher already. after 9 weeks of not seeing most of their friends they are expected to sit still and silent AT ALL TIMES from the first day back, and penalized for disobeying by losing recess time, which tends to make most children MORE, not less, antsy. the fact that this practice is ILLEGAL doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference to the school!

having a NATIONAL (or even state) curriculum for all children of one grade level is the target and the teachers who have not lost their jobs are the tenured (and often that means old and set in their ways) ones who know their jobs are safe unless they do something really diabolical, so have no reason to consider the kids or their individual talents and needs.

so an effervescent, bright child like my grandson is "doing time" at the age of not-yet-eight because the teacher doesn't mind breaking the law to get "obedience" instilled in ALL the kids. and he is digging his heels in about doing work that he has been doing since 1st grade (now in 3rd!)...though his art teacher is delighted with him...

this child is headed for montessori or homeschooling if i have anything to do with it...though his mom needs to work so homeschooling will be difficult to say the least.

learning to follow directions and share are all very well. when there are 20+ kids in the class and the teacher has not learned in 20+ years how to get their attention and cooperation it ain't gonna happen, folks! this particular child has been a natural sharer - being an only child he has had little reason to defend his territory - but he thinks for himself and this is considered a "fault" at school.

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posted November 24, 2010 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! Good info!

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posted November 25, 2010 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people say the bad things that happen in high school are rites of passage. What do ya'll think of that?

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posted November 25, 2010 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think public schools are just dreadful!
And high school was for the most part terrible!
Rites of passage?
I really do not feel anyone "needs" to experience such R.O.P.!
Not in those ways.
Some teachers were wonderful however!
One is my best friend of 41 years to date!
So glad I had been in public school because of that. And theatre, speech class, gym class.......
Other teachers were nightmarish, and incompetent to teach a fruit fly!
Its complex issue.
However the entire structure of schools is cocked up bad.
A blend of home schooling, tutors, and non classroom activities, like a free community gym for phys ed, dances, picnics, whatever.


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posted November 25, 2010 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My opinions above are based upon the screwed up dysfunctional American school systems.
Perhaps the UK has a better system?

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posted November 26, 2010 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not sure about UK schools... the ones
here in Canada have such a broad range
of accepted curriculum from province to province it borders on ridiculous...
personally, am a big advocate of
home-schooling although i think that
some parents should not take the task
on themselves ( i have had dealings with
a small handful of individuals who did
not benefit )

bad stuff as a rite of passage...hhmm
how bad are we talking?

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posted November 26, 2010 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rites of passage? Like separating the weak from the strong?

I was coming home every day, contemplating suicide, when I saw no other option. I ended up walking out of there one morning, when I'd had enough - I just couldn't take it anymore - and three days later, after three days away from school, I begged my mother to not make me go back. She supported me when she found out about everything; she's since told me that she knew I was having troubles, but she also knew that I was dealing with them; I hadn't let it be known to anyone outside of school, just how bad things were.

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posted November 26, 2010 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
school can really screw some people up if not in a clique, anyway i thought i would chime in and give this
http://www.hslda.org/

not to mention the safety factor, bullies and shooting in some cases

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posted November 26, 2010 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emitres     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
I was coming home every day, contemplating suicide, when I saw no other option.

this is no rite of passage... no
matter what anyone tries to say...
really sorry you had to go through
that teasel...

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posted November 27, 2010 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
teasel
I know exactly how that feels, firsthand, too.

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posted December 26, 2010 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rites of Passage, my arse!

We have these so-called rites here too in the college. In the US they're called hazing, we call them ragging; different terms, same sh!t.

First time in hostel, you're 17, not quite a teen, not yet an adult and these "seniors" who are only a year ahead of you have to put you through hell all in the name of bonding. What irked me was how others in my class put up with this because "they are just trying to get to know us".

It is supposed to be such a wonderful thing really because after a month and a half of harrassing you, they'll throw a party called the Freshers where suddenly they become your friends.

And all the earlier stuff is only to encourage the Juniors that is us, to bond with the seniors that is them.

You know what I say to that, FCUK OFF!

It's basically Stockholm Syndrome and it doesn't work on the ones who do not have a hive mind and think independently for themselves.

SO, obviously, I got a lot of seniors ganging up on me for being different and not falling in line. So, one day, when a group of them confronted me I simply told them that if I was such an irritant to them and gave them such grief, then "to hell with me. Why are you concerned?" And I explained it was gonna be no skin off their arse! The look those girls gave me was priceless, like, how come she's not concerned [edited the smilie out, looked crass even in sarcasm]

But, on a serious note, it is dangerous. The govt. has banned it and one can get a prison term of upto 10 years for it but still it continues. Students have died because of it but it still continues as a barbaric bonding ritual.

What's even uglier was that the next year, when it was our turn to be seniors, some of my classmates who had been at the receiving end of some really nasty treatment turned all A-rod and did the same to the juniors.

I mean, seriously, how low can your self-esteem be for you to assert yourself by stamping on those who are essentially helpless against you?

You wanna prove yourself, then fight your equal or aim higher!

Motherfcking B@stards who are simply "everyday" people from all walks of life!

Just another example of how dangerous a hive mind or mob mentality can be...

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Sowwee for the extreme language but I feel really strongly for the ones who have lost their children to this "exalted" bullying. Feel free to delete the post if you wish to clean it up but I had to say this, no regrets.

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posted December 26, 2010 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're okay, FQ.

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posted December 26, 2010 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coconutcancermoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I homeschooled my child for half of the first grade and the complete second grade and I too understand when others ask about social skills :/
Fortunately he was accepted into a charter school and he is now in the third grade and is more "socially skilled" than the whole class. He is always well behaved, his card stays has stayed "green" (meaning good) and hasn't changed to yellow (meaning warning) let alone blue (bad) or red (very bad).

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posted December 26, 2010 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dee, and FQ

Thanks, emitre.

Welcome coconutcancermoon.

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posted December 26, 2010 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coconutcancermoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks teasel

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You should not be concerned about a growing child's socialization skills if the said child does not attend a public or private school. Julie Webb researched homeschooled students, and found that their socialization skills were often better than their peers. Since she did her research for 1989 Educational Review, I consider it unlikely that she came to her conclusions out of a desire to "create propaganda" for the promotion of homeschooling.

Some even travel the world and become involved in international affairs. You can find books written by or about unschoolers who did just that. I forget the name of one book but it was about a young teenage boy who sailed the South Pacific on his own as he schooled himself.

Furthermore, plenty of people dropped out of school, or did not go to school at all, and grew up to become famous politicians (including many of America's founding fathers), inventors (like the Wright Brothers), and actors (like Whoopi Goldberg). Such people could hardly be called socially or academically handicapped.

Here are what some homeschoolers and unschoolers have to say on the matter (as shared in The Teenage Liberation Handbook by former school teacher Grace Llewellyn):

"My confidence has grown immensely--I am not judged for reasons such as clothes, money, or my looks.... My social life is better than it ever was at school. I meet people at the YMCA, ballet class, and I have adult friends."

--Suzanne Klemp, YMCA ballet teacher, age 15

"My social life is much more rounded than school kids; I talk to anyone and everyone the same. I've noticed that most kids will talk to anyone younger than them but only superficially, and hardly talk to adults at all except when spoken to. I don't believe in that and make a point of showing that I'll talk to anyone about anything. On the track team there's all ages and I'm friends with all equally. I don't make a point of talking someone just because of closeness in age. For example, I talk to the little boys in kindergarten because we share a common hatred of the rock group New Kids on the Block. And the coaches ask me quite important things such as make sure so-and-so is standing in the right lane, and sometimes they get so mixed up I have to remind them what they are suppose to be doing (they are grateful for it).

"I have about thirty pen-pals and they range in age from about ten to fifty. I consider these my friends and my social life because you can be social through the mail. I may not have as many friends and acquaintances as other kids but it is not the amount but the quality of friendship that counts."

--Anne Brosnan, 13

"I am friends with the adults who live in the house next door to us....Dick is interested in bicycling and philosophy and Crunch is interested in word games, movies, and sports. These are all things that I am interested in, which is one of the reasons I immediately became friends with them. The other reason is that they take me seriously and respect what I have to say about things. They are a few things that I talk to them about that I don't talk to most of my friends who are closer in age to me (I'm 13)--for instance, politics and education.

"I don't think my friendship with them is very different from my friendships with other teenagers, except for the fact that we have better conversations. We often fool around with each other the way I would friends my own age. I think that they are many things I can learn from them, but that doesn't make me feel that they are necessarily superior to me. They are probably things that they can learn from me also. I do think that we have a very equal friendship, most likely because they respect me in the same way that I respect them."

--Jeremiah Gingold, from GWS (Growing Without Schooling) #74

Ironically, I was more popular with school kids after I dropped out and began unschooling. Dropping out of school was one of the best things I ever did in my life and helped me both academically and socially.

I saw a lot of bad in school, as others here have obviously done. But it gets even worse than that, such as undercover cops who get away with statutory rape on girls, getting them pregnant, and are protected in the fight on drugs and sent to other schools to repeat their abuse. Such horrors are described in Dangerous Schools : What We Can Do About the Physical and Emotional Abuse of Our Children by Irwin A. Hyman and Pamela A. Snook:
http://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Schools-Physical-Emotional-Children/dp/0787943630

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posted March 02, 2011 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 13, 2011 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
:thumbups: Love this thread.

I've decided I will be homeschooling my three kids.

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