posted May 31, 2013 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by CatMote:
yeah happy birthday to you too mirage!with my arian nature gemini confuses the heck outta me.
noting wrong with them, i just dont understand the things they do. for example, my friend who is a gemini will never give a direct straightforward answer. and she likes when people are witty BUT shes not intelligent? if that makes sense. or they will say one thing and do another. might be another part of these specific people's charts, but i have noticed this trend with my gemini friends.
they arent bad though dont get me wrong!
Thankyou for my birthday greeting, CatMote!
Your question/comment took me to a stroll down memory lane-- my Aries relationships.
In college (you are about 21yrs old, yes?) I'd had an important male and a female ARIES relationship in my life.
The ~15-16 degree female was older than me, and was an extremely-sick alcoholic. She'd wake up with Delirium Tremors in the morning... her lips were crusted with a brown goo she'd have to scrape away. She needed Valium to go to work. Then she'd come home and drank whiskey every single night until she passed out. She could be extremely cruel. She'd bait me with (false) accusations, for which I was completely innocent but worked sooo hard to convince her that what I said was true, and what she was saying is false. Accusations of betrayals and wild things like that. When I'd finally collapsed into a smirched heap before her, my heart broken and face swollen with tears, I'd hear her begin a low sinister laugh. It was "a trick." She manipulated me into this argument ALL FOR THE MOMENT of pleasure this brought her to see me so broken. I was greatly afraid, and BURIED myself in schoolwork. I didn't "know" what to do. This person had 'rescued' me in late adolescence from physical (and other) abuse. I was exceedingly grateful and beholding to her for this opportunity in my life. (I paid my own way through college, and paid minimal rent to her for my room.) She was completely devoted to me going to college, and never planned for me to leave. She had been an only-child, (didn't want to become a mom herself), and was glad to 'adopt' a kid-sister to admire her and to follow in her footsteps. Double-edge sword.... with a great price, goodness, yet terrible damage to my self-esteem.
The male was an "amour" and a shallow friend-companion for 3 years. He was studying to be a concert pianist. I'd lay down under his grand piano and study, while he practiced his scales and music. Music and art were important to us.
We used to love an occasional day-trip out to the big art museum-- Specifically, we'd go with our magnifying glasses, speeding through other exhibits, in order to have our 'Close-encounters' of the Salvadore Dali paintings on display. He had Dali posters splattered on the walls and ceiling in his apartment!
We just liked 'being together' His Sun was ~17-18 ARIES. We'd bounce ideas off each other all the time, and we'd relish the fierce/friendly debates we could have about things. Sometimes his 'fierceness' would begin to cross a hazy line into his wanting to crush me to his point of view rather than 'convince'. It was just "play," but it could also begin to take on a destructive energy.
The more he would 'press' sometimes, the more actually "oppressive" he got.... and when he'd DO that, it would change the WHOLE moment in our relationship that day. I knew he wasn't doing it with a total 'realization' of what he was doing, but it could take on some logrhythmic growth. The "bigger" his energy got, the more "narrow" his focus and intensity grew... more and more it began to feel like a burning laser. It was like he "forgot" the question and it would be more about "discharging" some intense energy.
The 'whole conversation' would go missing; it was 'now' about him verbalizing a topic impregnated by an anger from the inside that had a kind of disassociation or invisibility-- He was not cognizant of this! In the meantime, I was constantly 'scanning' to make sure I would be 'safe' (physically) in the situation. I would be trying to figure out in my head how to 'answer' the question at the same time as 'defuse' the anger-part of the convo. I LOVE energy. I DON'T LIKE abuse. I didn't want the conversation to stop, I just wanted the 'danger' component to go away from it.
He was loving and loyal and intense! When he 'thought' he was "asking" me a "question," the questioning took on a tone of hammering an idea AT and ON me! God luv 'im because he couldn't 'see' it for himself. He was blind to it-- which threw me into an objectivity of sorts at that point.
As a twenty to twenty-one year old at the time, I didn't have all life's experience and 'skills' to talk ABOUT the dynamics in our relationship. He lived 'frustrated' at me, yet loving me; I was non-plussed, groping for the right words, and failing at being able to bring this to speech.
He was under the illusion that he "innocently" was asking me a 'simple' question, but actually he was (unconsciously) trying to 'make me' adopt his point of view. Sometimes it was fine~~ I enjoyed him. Other times, it interfered with the discourse between us.
Now one thing about GEMINI-me is that I have an ability to see 'every' point of view, at once.... AND they can ALL exist with equal validity. It's the 'frame' the question comes in, that can craft the differing answers.
When a person asks a question, then they desire to apply a boundary or to frame the expanse or vista of information-- It COULD mean that they want to deliberately "exclude" some facts... which of course can change the entire picture or meaning.
The tighter the frame, the more truth-pixels are outted in that process. Warning flags go up: How well do I 'know' this person? If this is a stranger, then WHY are they so interested? WHAT is their 'motivation'? Is this 'friend' to me, or a disguised 'foe'?
Eric Berne is the author of GAMES PEOPLE PLAY. 'Now I've got you you s o b' is ONE of them.... NIGYSOB (I think is one of the games). Eric Berne is well-worth the "read"... 
In art, you can frame the tiniest detail, and gnash-out every possibility this can have on its own merit, not including the rest of the picture sometimes, yet implying that it's there and is accurately relational.
What I have personally observed in my Aries relationships is that sometimes the 'intensity' of Aries can take over, and he then 'forgets' that his points can be 'correct' in the tiny frame, YET he's 'incorrect' when viewing and incorporating the scope of the entire picture.
Leaves the Gemini-girl (me) in a thought processing state that may "seem" on the outside to have "no intelligence" when actually, in deep kindness, I want to intuit more to get its 'context' correctly. The Aries-guy (or gal) is angered or frustrated because they 'want the answer right NOW'... when actually there is 'conflict' and a 'set up' going on.
Well YIKES, CatMote!! WORDS, WORDS!! and some Philosophy tossed in there... I've got transiting JUPITER approaching my Mercury-SN Gemini! Also, transiting MERCURY has separated from my natal Mercury, and is quickly approaching a conjunction with my natal MarsCancer.
I just enjoy astrology sooo much! Hoping you find enjoyment in your day, today... and every day!