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posted January 09, 2011 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I missed it. Was it good?

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posted January 14, 2011 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall... it was good... however, they spent more time on researching Booth who was always thought to have been killed in the barn after the assassination... however, they have relatives of Booth and other information from a court house that indicated Booth lived! That a confederate solider who was a total look-alike was actually killed. Booth married and lived after wards...

The History Channel is running the LINCOLN story again that I mentioned in previous postings above. Might want to scroll down the History Channel line-up and see if you can view either one of these shows (some times the History Channel does repeats).
Also, around Lincoln's Birthday we all celebrate in the USA they tend to do the re-runs again.

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posted January 15, 2011 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 20, 2011 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An interesting email was sent to me with the following information:

University Unveils Lincoln Letters Online
By BEN DOBBIN,
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Posted: 2008-03-02 13:18:39
Filed Under: Nation News

ROCHESTER, N.Y. (March 2) - Barely a year into the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln suggested buying slaves for $400 apiece under a "gradual emancipation" plan that would bring peace at less cost than several months of hostilities.

Richard Baker, University of Rochester / AP
Abe Lincoln
Discoveries (1 of 18)
In one of Abraham Lincoln's letters unveiled to the public by the University of Rochester last month, the president laid out a plan to end the Civil War. He wanted the government to pay states about $400 for each slave and states in turn to set a 20-year deadline for abolishing slavery.

The proposal was outlined in one of 72 letters penned by Lincoln that ended up in the University of Rochester's archives. The correspondence was digitally scanned and posted online along with easier-to-read transcriptions.

Accompanying them are 215 letters sent to Lincoln by dozens of fellow political and military leaders. They include letters from Vice President Andrew Johnson and Gen. Ulysses S. Grant, who both succeeded Lincoln in the presidency in the 12 years after his assassination in 1865.

In a letter to Illinois Sen. James A. McDougall dated March 14, 1862, Lincoln laid out the estimated cost to the nation's coffers of his "emancipation with compensation" proposal. Paying slave-holders $400 for each of the 1,798 slaves in Delaware listed in the 1860 Census, he wrote, would come to $719,200 at a time when the war was soaking up $2 million a day.


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Buying the freedom of an estimated 432,622 slaves in Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri and Washington, D.C., would cost $173,048,800 - nearly equal to the estimated $174 million needed to wage war for 87 days, he added.

Lincoln suggested that each of the states, in return for payment, might set something like a 20-year deadline for abolishing slavery.

The payout "would not be half as onerous as would be an equal sum, raised now, for the indefinite prosecution of the war," he told McDougall.

The idea never took root. Six months later, Lincoln issued the first of two executive orders known as the Emancipation Proclamation that declared an end to slavery. The 13th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified after the collapse of the confederacy, ending two centuries of bondage in North America.

"To be given a document that plunks you right into a situation that Lincoln was facing, it's very compelling," said Brian Fleming, a University of Rochester librarian who is heading the online project which debuted Feb. 18 - Presidents Day.

The Lincoln letters addressing the war, slavery and other affairs of state, are part of a collection of papers once belonging to his Secretary of State, William H. Seward Sr.

They were bequeathed by Seward's grandson, William Henry Seward III, who lived in Auburn, 70 miles east of Rochester, and arrived at the University of Rochester between 1949 and 1987.

The digitally scanned letters appear on the school library's Web site along with transcriptions, contextual essays written by graduate students and lesson plans designed to help teachers.

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posted February 07, 2011 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's Lincoln's Birthday this upcoming Saturday... best time to be looking through the History Channel and other Channel's for Documentaries and other features on Lincoln!

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posted February 24, 2011 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
President's Holiday weekend...

National Geographic Channel is airing:

1. The Hunt for Lincoln's Assassin
2. Lincoln: American Mastermind (interestingly got into President Lincoln taking a drug for his depression called Blue Mass Pills -- had 9,000 X the Mercury level that was save... which observers quoted saying the President would have out breaks and irritability that was alarming and he then stopped taking the pharmaceutical.)

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posted February 26, 2011 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a lot of mercury.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wonder if that's why his face started to look so different? It is an amazing amount of mercury.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://lettertorobin1.site.aplus.net/id460.html

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If you look at Mark Zuckerberg’s Numerology chart, the founder of Facebook, you will see he has a number five life path–the number of the catalyst for change.

Just as the birth chart of the United States is the number five, so are most people and countries that change the world. Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D Roosevelt were both number five. These are the people who move us forward, get us unstuck and change us forever.



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posted March 06, 2011 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
New book sheds new light on Lincoln's racial views

By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Matthew Barakat, Associated Press – Fri Mar 4, 4:04 pm ET

McLEAN, Va. – Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address has inspired Americans for generations, but consider his jarring remarks in 1862 to a White House audience of free blacks, urging them to leave the U.S. and settle in Central America.
"For the sake of your race, you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people," Lincoln said, promoting his idea of colonization: resettling blacks in foreign countries on the belief that whites and blacks could not coexist in the same nation.
Lincoln went on to say that free blacks who envisioned a permanent life in the United States were being "selfish" and he promoted Central America as an ideal location "especially because of the similarity of climate with your native land — thus being suited to your physical condition."
As the nation celebrates the 150th anniversary of Lincoln's first inauguration Friday, a new book by a researcher at George Mason University in Fairfax makes the case that Lincoln was even more committed to colonizing blacks than previously known. The book, "Colonization After Emancipation," is based in part on newly uncovered documents that authors Philip Magness and Sebastian Page found at the British National Archives outside London and in the U.S. National Archives.
In an interview, Magness said he thinks the documents he uncovered reveal Lincoln's complexity.
"It makes his life more interesting, his racial legacy more controversial," said Magness, who is also an adjuct professor at American University.
Lincoln's views about colonization are well known among historians, even if they don't make it into most schoolbooks. Lincoln even referred to colonization in the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, his September 1862 warning to the South that he would free all slaves in Southern territory if the rebellion continued. Unlike some others, Lincoln always promoted a voluntary colonization, rather than forcing blacks to leave.
But historians differ on whether Lincoln moved away from colonization after he issued the official Emancipation Proclamation on Jan. 1, 1863, or whether he continued to support it.
Magness and Page's book offers evidence that Lincoln continued to support colonization, engaging in secret diplomacy with the British to establish a colony in British Honduras, now Belize.
Among the records found at the British archives is an 1863 order from Lincoln granting a British agent permission to recruit volunteers for a Belize colony.
"He didn't let colonization die off. He became very active in promoting it in the private sphere, through diplomatic channels," Magness said. He surmises that Lincoln grew weary of the controversy that surrounded colonization efforts, which had become enmeshed in scandal and were criticized by many abolitionists.
As late as 1864, Magness found a notation that Lincoln asked the attorney general whether he could continue to receive counsel from James Mitchell, his colonization commissioner, even after Congress had eliminated funding for Mitchell's office.
Illinois' state historian, Tom Schwartz, who is also a research director at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library in Springfield, Ill., said that while historians differ, there is ample evidence that Lincoln's views evolved away from colonization in the final two years of the Civil War.
Lincoln gave several speeches referring to the rights blacks had earned as they enlisted in the Union Army, for instance. And presidential secretary John Hay wrote in July 1864 that Lincoln had "sloughed off" colonization.
"Most of the evidence points to the idea that Lincoln is looking at other ways" to resolve the transition from slavery besides colonization at the end of his presidency, Schwartz said.
Lincoln is the not the only president whose views on race relations and slavery were more complex and less idealistic than children's storybook histories suggest. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were both slaveholders despite misgivings. Washington freed his slaves when he died.
"Washington, because he wanted to keep the union, knew he had to ignore the slavery problem because it would have torn the country apart, said James Rees, director of Washington's Mount Vernon estate.
"It's tempting to wish he had tried. The nation had more chance of dealing with slavery with Washington than with anyone else," Rees said, noting the esteem in which Washington was held in both the North and the South.
Magness said views on Lincoln can be strongly held and often divergent. He noted that people have sought to use Lincoln's legacy to support all manner of political policy agendas since the day he was assassinated. And nobody can claim definitive knowledge of Lincoln's own views, especially on a topic as complex as race relations.
"He never had a chance to complete his vision. Lincoln's racial views were evolving at the time of his death," Magness said.

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Russia honors freedom of serfs, American slaves

By Amie Ferris-Rotman Amie Ferris-rotman – Fri Feb 25, 7:05 am ET

MOSCOW (Reuters) – They wrote letters to each other, were both assassinated in public, and led separate campaigns to free large numbers of their countrymen.
Czar Alexander II and President Abraham Lincoln now share the spotlight in a new exhibit, which Russia and the United States opened on Tuesday in the State Archive in Moscow.

"This is a chance to bring to life a marvelous relationship," said James Symington, a former U.S. congressman who heads the American-Russian Cultural Cooperation Foundation, which co-sponsored the exhibit.

Designed to coincide with the 150th anniversary last week of Alexander II's emancipation of the serfs, the exhibit features 200 items including the two liberators' clothing, bayonets, pictures and most importantly -- their writing tools.
Alexander II's ink-stained quill with which he scribed the 1861 emancipation sits in a glass box opposite the metal nib pen Lincoln used to free the slaves in 1863, both forever changing the political landscape of their countries.

"Here are two friends who never met personally but were together in spirit," Symington told reporters before a brass band clad in Russian imperial regalia opened the exhibit.

Nineteenth century prints of the Czar congregating with joyous serfs -- he emancipated 23 million of them -- hang on the pastel pink walls of the secretive State Archive next to whips and shackles American slaves were subjected to.

During the middle of the U.S. Civil War, Lincoln's Emancipation of Proclamation freed around 4 million slaves.

"This is about men sharing a dream, about a dream shared by two countries," said Alexander Bourganov, an award-winning Russian artist who designed a white sculpture of the two leaders in an embrace, which guards the door to the State Archive.
While Alexander II was killed 20 years after he freed the serfs -- a bomb blew him up in the imperial capital of Saint Petersburg -- Lincoln was gunned down in 1865 as the Civil War drew to a close.

The display is part of a series of conciliatory cultural gestures by the United States as part of the "reset" in relations with its Cold War foe, said U.S. Ambassador John Beyrle.

He added that a visiting U.S. dance troupe, sports collaborations and cultural exchanges with teenagers are also planned over the next few months.

U.S. President Barack Obama's administration has pledged to "reset" relations with Russia, which sank to a post-Cold War low during the presidencies of George W. Bush and Vladimir Putin, now Russia's Prime Minister.

Ties have warmed since Washington and Moscow wrestled out the New START nuclear arms reduction treaty, which came into force this month.

But they continue to disagree on issues such as missile defense and NATO expansion.
(Reporting by Amie Ferris-Rotman, editing by Paul Casciato)

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posted April 05, 2011 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was watching the History Channel tonight...
and they had a commercial for a movie...

In Theaters APRIL 15th...

The Conspirator -- [President Lincoln -- what REALLY happened!!!]

Directed by Robert Redford....
website: www.ConspiratorTheMovie.com

Sounded interesting... the teaser for the movie didn't supply alot of information.. just hinted at some new information!

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posted May 05, 2011 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone seen the movie yet?

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posted December 15, 2011 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't get a chance to see the movie... and I"m still waiting for it to appear on Netflexs!

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posted December 15, 2011 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000453.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000455.html

Thanks Lexx for all the work on the above thread!

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The Conspirator -- [President Lincoln -- what REALLY happened!!!]

Directed by Robert Redford....
website: www.ConspiratorTheMovie.com

Anyone watched this movie... I"m trying to find it on Netflex's to view...

Randall... did you see it by any chance???

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/14/abraham-lincoln-check_n_1206269.html

BROOKLYN, Ohio — A personal check that Abraham Lincoln wrote the day before he was assassinated is among those that were rediscovered by an Ohio bank.

The Plain Dealer in Cleveland reports that 70 checks were found in a vault at Huntington Bank's Columbus headquarters, including checks signed by George Washington, Mark Twain, Charles Dickens and Thomas Edison. Some are being displayed at branches throughout the state.

The Lincoln check had been made out to "self" for $800. [Note: That was alot of $$ in those days.]

The checks had been stored in a vault since at least 1983, when Huntington took over another bank. An employee had begun looking through old boxes last year, which led to the discovery of the checks.

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Originally posted by BiBi DeAngelo:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000453.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000455.html

Thanks Lexx for all the work on the above thread!


I just saw this post.
Sorry, was rather ill over the month of December.
Thank you and you're welcome!
If you want more help let me know.

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Thank you for posting more BiBi!

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First... Lexx your very welcome

Second: RIP "Lincoln's Birthday" today

Hollywood News:

Warner Bros. Acquires 'Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter' Scribe's Next Book www.hollywoodreporter.com

Warner Bros. has acquired the rights to Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter author Seth Grahame-Smith's new book Unholy Night for aproximately $2 million.

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Written by Big Ross, CC2K Staff Writer
Section: Movies - Category: Movies Script Reviews


QUOTE: The big-budget biopic eschews nuance in favor of myth.
I suppose that I know as much about Abraham Lincoln as the next American. I know him by his nicknames, “Honest Abe” and “The Great Emancipator.” I know he served as President during the Civil War and was the first U.S. President to be assassinated, shot in Ford’s Theatre by John Wilkes Booth. I could probably even rattle off a few lines of his most famous speech, The Gettysburg Address, you know, the one that begins, “Four score and seven years ago…” Like many of our nation’s early, great leaders there seems to be a good deal of confusion as to the distinction of myth and man where Lincoln is concerned. And confusion is putting it mildly. There is outright controversy on the topic, as I was somewhat surprised to discover numerous websites and books calling into question the nature of Lincoln’s character and casting doubt on his legacy. Paul Webb, the author of the screenplay Lincoln, a big-budget biopic of the 16th President to be directed by Steven Spielberg, has obviously read none of them. Or if he has, he is thumbing his nose at Lincoln’s detractors by portraying him in all of his mythic glory.

Lincoln follows the life of Lincoln (hopefully this doesn’t get overly redundant) from his first inauguration throughout his Presidency during the Civil War until his death. This is a fairly ambitious undertaking considering Glory, which told the story of the all-black 54th Regiment of Massachusetts, has a run-time of two hours and Gettysburg, which followed that singular battle, has a run-time of over four hours. This ambition in addition to the writers’ desire to paint Lincoln as a hero of mythic proportions is the biggest weakness of a script that attempts to ride the fence between pop culture legend and historical accuracy. What do I mean by that? This is not a fictional story. The characters herein were not simply thought up by the writers to advance a plot. These are real people with lives and histories and families. There is a factual record of when and where the battles took place, who won and who lost and at what cost.

The U.S. Civil War was fought from 1861-1865 in a theater that stretched from the Atlantic coast to the Mississippi River. In order to condense all of that into a film that will run around two hours means *much* has been omitted, and what is presented is fragmented and filled with minor characters that come and go and are reduced to single dimensions. This seems to me to be a bit of a shame.

For example, George McClellan was a major general in the Union Army. He has been recognized as a great martial organizer and immensely popular with his troops, yet he is notorious for his recalcitrance to launch offensives against Confederate forces in Virginia in the early days of the war. There has been an ongoing debate for years amongst historians over McClellan’s character, courage, and reasons for not attacking, which some have argued had more to do with his fondness for the men under his command than any alleged Confederate sympathies he might have had. Yet all of this is cast aside in Lincoln as he is portrayed simply as a racist who is disagreeable with the notion that the war is being fought to free black slaves. As he informs President Lincoln in a private meeting, “I will tell you plainly, sir, - this army will not fight. . . for the negro.”
In contrast to all of these cardboard cut-outs that make brief appearances in the film, Lincoln is the only character given real attention (it’s his story, after all). But even here, as I said, complexity of character and insight into the man is tossed out the window in favor of advancing the myth. Lincoln is presented almost as some kind of superhero. True he was born and raised in poverty, struggled to educate himself, and eventually entered public service and won the highest office in the country. Maybe he had some of the following character traits, but in Lincoln he is a man of immense intelligence, compassion, humor, humility, emotional strength, physical strength, resolve, conviction, principles, etc, etc. This is a man who, when we are first introduced to him, is getting his photograph taken before venturing to Washington. He is holding a wooden log in one hand and an axe in the other. After the photo is taken, Lincoln lets go of the log, and chops it cleanly in two while it is in mid-air. Later while traveling on a steamboat Lincoln notices several young men having a friendly competition of a feat of strength – seeing who can hold an axe by the handle-tip out at arm’s length the longest. We see one especially stout fellow who bests all the others with a time of three minutes. Lincoln asks if he can give it a try, and not only does he beat that time, he holds the axe out for over four minutes. Obviously these scenes are in place to inform the audience in no uncertain terms that Lincoln was a bad ass.

Like I said, maybe Lincoln did have some of these character traits. I’ve read he worked hard labor as a young man, and there are witness accounts of his impressive physical stature. Maybe these are historically accurate. Maybe. And hey, I suppose there’s nothing wrong with presenting Lincoln as the myth, as the ideal of what a President should be, right? Even if that means omitting actions taken by Lincoln during the Civil War that our current President (one of the most derided in history) is quite fond of. True, the script makes no mention of Lincoln imprisoning close to twenty thousand suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial, or his suspending the right of habeas corpus, literally removing a person’s right to protest unlawful imprisonment, which was in direct defiance of a U.S. Circuit Court’s decision overturning his action. And while that’s questionable, at least they’re not just making sh** up and lying outright. OH WAIT, that’s exactly what they’re doing. To wit: at one point in the script Lincoln meets with abolitionist Frederick Douglass at the height of the Civil War and tells him, “I want to set up, as a matter of the greatest urgency, an underground railroad system that can bring people out of the furthest recesses of the South.”

The Underground Railroad, a loosely organized operation to transport black slaves out of the South, was in process as early as 1810 – when Lincoln was still a baby. It was ongoing from that time through 1850 (before Lincoln took office) and during the Civil War. The man who is credited with founding the Underground Railroad is Isaac T. Hopper. As far as I can tell, Lincoln had no direct involvement in this effort.

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In the end, its not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." --Abraham Lincoln

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