posted December 12, 2007 11:27 PM         

one of the members of this site.. went and posted the information I provided on this site... to another site called CE...Conscious Evolution... and was kind enough to supply an url for them to click and read the information on this site... ok...

now this is what one of the sweet girls wrote back to the posting...

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Hi Bibi,

The reason I didn't know you knew Linda is that I have never been to the other site since this is the original Lindaland. My first experience of you sharing about Linda has been here thanks to the posting of the link by Magicalstone. I'm so glad she shared it, as 1st hand information about Linda from a dear friend is most welcome!

I would imagine that no one else has responded to this post because it originated from the 2nd Linda Goodman site which was founded after some members (or 1 that I know of at least) were banned from this site, and later started the other one. I myself have never been there because I didn't want to be a part of what was going on at the time.

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SO YOU ALL... MY QUESTION... WHAT'S THE HISTORY BEHIND THIS...

YOU CAN EMAIL ME AT MY PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS AT: bibideangelo@netscape.net just put in the subject matter... Linda Goodman information... so I get it ok...

posted December 14, 2007 06:39 PM         

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“Bibi, I see on that thread that you've gotten a small taste of the "banging your head against a brick wall syndrome" that I often encountered at LindaGoodman.net (CE).”

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“BTW, I always found it funny that I was asked not to post Topics on a Linda Goodman site about things that Linda Goodman wrote about. Such Topics were too "controversial." What!?!”

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When I recently replied to a post on the Conscious Evolution site and this is what their administrator, Maria, wrote to me when I was merely asking insight on why some one might be banned:

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There is a lot of interpersonal history here. There is also very deep and abiding love for Gregory here. Those things that occurred when he was webmaster he is no longer here in person to discuss. And, please don't take this harshly, because I do not mean it harshly, but in terms of your wanting to hear "both sides" or any side or even any description of a falling out that occurred between some people before you ever knew any of them, forgive me, but for heaven's sake, who made you judge?

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Isn’t that sweet! I wrote to Maria…

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”I"m not judging Maria... again... where do you get judging?
I"m asking for clarity... asking how someone would get banned.. can't someone ask for clarity and understanding? When you obtain both sides of the history on an event... you obtain greater understanding and greater clarity... I knew Greg... I meet him once... and for god sakes... I"m not asking anyone to badmouth the person on the other side/site(Maria's words in her post)... that would be the last thing that any of us would want to manifest... I asked for understanding as to what possibly could have happened to be banned...Remember I"m the new "folk" Maria... I don't know the history... don't know there are rules... banning potentials.. I don't understand your strong reaction at all... your strong choices of words... no worries... I flow with the flow.. I"m not taking anything personal... ok ”

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So you must be psychic Randall… I already told her I wasn’t taking anything personal! After 17 years in the Entertainment Industry… I’ve gotten my PhD in DON”T TAKE IT PERSONAL! Hey… question… is there a degree higher than a PhD… I’ve been working on it .. if one does exist!

Someone who will remain anonymous, from their site (CE) sent me the following clip to my personal email address with a note attached:

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“Wow! Maria labels you as Judging, then what does she call herself having written this material on Linda?”

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I’m attaching the information sent to me for you all to read, because I’d like to have your thoughts on this posting of Maria.

Thread: Linda’s Family:
ListensToTrees
New friend

Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 11 I can't help but wonder.....what happened to Linda's family; her children? What are they doing now?

I just read that Sam Goodman passed on too, in 1983. I couldn't believe it. What about Robert Brewer?

I have just bought a few of Linda's books from abebooks.com, from the Linda Goodman Estate. I think, in a way it is sad to see them on sale like this. If I were wealthy, I would buy them all and keep them safe. I will cherish the few I bought, though I won't be able to buy any more.

Where did all that energy go; that wonderous magic that was Linda's life? It had to go somewhere. I can't help but wonder about the children because they were a part of Linda, or Mary Alice. Did Linda's life as Linda end surrounded by unhappiness? Did she tire her loved ones out with her search for Sally- did they stop believing her? Was it all in vain? Where are they now? Does this subject simply cause pain for them? If so, I am deeply sorry and I will edit what I have written. But I am genuine, and couldn't help but ask. I can't help but wonder where all the magic went. Perhaps there are chapters yet to come. Was the last chapter we've just read only a tragic one? Or is there more?

I appreciate your thoughts on this.

Love & Light
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#155365 - 10/24/05 10:18 PM Re: Linda's family [Re: ListensToTrees]

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Loc: Cripple Creek, Colorado, USA OK, I guess I finally will take a deep breath, blow it out and dive on in.

This is what I have gathered from many, many people who knew her. Linda was extremely difficult to get along with. Every friend who was ever a really good, close friend with her has a story of "the time I decided I was never going to speak to Linda again, ever." A few relented after Linda bombarded them with calls and letters and "please, please, please." Others stuck to their guns and wrote her off.

She could be extraordinarily generous, but she could also be a holy terror. She yelled a lot. She yelled mean, snotty things a lot. She also did other really odd and goofy things that would freak people out and embarass them. She demanded a lot of her friends and relations, and she was not very good at all at noticing when just a kind word from her, just a small gesture, would have been hugely appreciated in return.

Her kids grew up with Sam while Linda went off to do her own thing. There are nicer ways to put that, but that's the unvarnished truth.

Her last conversation with Sally was a very unpleasant one. Sally wanted Linda's help, and Linda not only wasn't moved to provide that help, she was unpleasant about it.

Of course Linda didn't want to believe that Sally died by suicide afterwards. But most people realistically find it easier to believe that Sally did indeed decide, as some young people having a tough time and feeling emotionally abandoned sometimes do, that she was never going to speak to or see her mother or anyone else again ... rather than that the CIA would pull a black-op on the daughter of an astrologer who was known for ideas out of left field.

The other kids accepted that Sally died.

Linda would also hide from people. She would tell people straight to their faces, "Linda's not here; she's in New York," when she was, in fact, right there talking to them. She would pretend she was her own housekeeper instead. She would pull similar stunts even on close relatives. They would travel hundreds of miles or more to see her, and she would pretend she wasn't home. She would send a friend to the door to tell them she was in another state, or sometimes she would say things like, "OK, you can come in, but your friend / boyfriend / girlfriend has to stay outside." Even to her own kids. And they would say, "Fine," and leave with their friends.

I know that one of her kids, who tried to do well by Linda, eventually told Linda's friend (who would place the calls to this grown-up child for Linda) "I appreciate that you help my mom, but please don't call me again until she has died." I know that another of her kids made it clear on the day of Linda's memorial, outloud and with no attempt to be secretive about it, that in this grown-up child's opinion, their mom was a nut.

Of course, I'm not saying all her ideas were bunk. Not at all. Although, personally, I do think some of her ideas were half-baked and that if she'd spent longer time thinking some things through it would have been a good thing. And obviously, as a writer addressing her readers, she was amazingly effective and pleasant. But in person, she could be a real pain.

Love,
Maria

P.S. I should probably also say that the same is probably also true of a fair number of creative, driven, famous people...

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posted December 14, 2007 07:00 PM         

Greg wrote to our Randall:

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As you may know, I posted an apology to Randall on my site, for my harsh words to him in a conflicted situation. I was wrong to do that, and the blame is no one's but my own. I didn't post it here because I saw no reason to bring up jangled vibes here where the exchange did not take place; but since you mention it here I apologize here. There were conflicts going on that Randall was a part of (and you were a part of too ... and so was I), and in a very nonspiritual moment I dumped my anger on Randall in a very harsh way that there was no excuse for doing in public. It has always been my contention that such conflicts should be handled in private between the people involved, rather than making them public and insulting, and in this situation I failed completely to practice what I preach ... and hurt two very good friends in the process. For that I am deeply sorry.

Love,
Greg

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So even if you were asked not to post "controversial" issues... they reflected on their words.. and posted this??

Controversial issues and discussion have long been known as how people CAN GROW...

I for one believe it's healthy...

posted December 15, 2007 01:14 AM         

Randall... asked you a question on one of these threads...

did you EVER SEE with your own eyes a contract that Crystal got legally power of attorney for Linda's work... no one I've known.. and I know many who were working with Linda.. knew her for many years... NONE of them ever SAW papers first hand...

please can you answer that either in here..
or my private email.. bibideangelo@netscape.net thank you!

posted December 15, 2007 04:42 PM         

thank you for getting back to me... so again.. no one has truly seen those papers in person... thank you!

I heard from Linda's own child that they saw a discernibly change in Linda's behavior the last week of her life. Crystal told me personally that she got Linda to sign papers just 3 days prior to her death! (FYI, when we were shooting the national TV commercial for the Relationship Software project, I started to have tears come down my face, because my guides had told me "Shoot this commercial as commemorative, because Linda will no longer be alive by the time it is aired".. I went home and ran the charts, and there it was October 20-21-22 death transits. I told Crystal this.. so interesting Crystal says she traveled to see Linda and get the signature at that time? Coincidence... we all agree there is no such thing as coincidence! Right??

Now something gets a little interesting here... Crystal told me she visited Linda in a certain place when she got the papers signed... however, Linda's own child told me just days ago, that isn't where Linda was those last days. ???? hummmmmmmmm

I was guided by Thorshammer that Arthur Kebanoff Linda's Agent wrote an autobiography on himself and in that book he plainly provides information that he, Crystal and his woman assistant made $1 million off the book.

So yes Randall... it is wonderful that Linda's books have been reprinted twice since her death... relationships book was widely distributed... all allowing the next generation to be educated & hopefully rising the collective consciousness of the planet to a higher vibration (one of Linda's goals)...

However, almost every event in life has it's Ying/Yung or it's polarity of outcomes... what a terrible polarity of the entire journey... Linda's own children and grandchildren and Philip di Franco never received $1! I know that there was a paper signed that gave Bill-Jill-Michael and yes even Sally (were she ever to be found alive) equal percentages in Linda's life work.

Philip di Franco, Crystal Bush, and I sat at lunch in Santa Monica at the Broadway Deli and Crystal verbally said that Philip was to receive 10% of the relationship project. He never received a $1.

So, Linda truly believed that Crystal (and Crystal's #'s) was going to get her work out there, & take care of the children/grandchildren etc. Therefore, upon your reasoning stated above Randall, Crystal did achieve getting the information out to the world... did make $1 million plus.. PLUS... (as Linda had predicted) however, defaulted dramatically on providing for Linda's family and showing value for Philip di Franco making Crystals dreams come true... as long as Philip and Linda's children are telling me the truth.. and I totally 100% no 200% believe they are telling the truth!

I witnessed Crystal having migraines often... especially the last four months of Linda's life and then the next two months after Linda's life... one of my Indian guru's said upon an interview with them... they thought that Crystals higher self wasn't in congruence with her actions and that the migraines were a way of stopping her... slowing her down to consider her actions... and slowing her down not to commit any more karma she would have to atone for... isn't that an interesting concept in and of itself?

So Crystal... if you are out there reading this...or, if anyone who knows you is reading this...

1) How do you sleep at night?

2) How being a mother that had tons of photos of your girls all over your home... always pontificating family comes first... not honor providing Linda's children their birth right and legal right to a percentage of the revenue that was made by Linda's work.... not your work Crystal.. Linda's work!

3) Should you have provided $$ to assist Linda's life prior to the commercial and books being printed (and I don't know that as a fact... just 2nd and 3rd hear-say rumors)... why then after making over $1 milion as Arther publicly wrote in his book... did you not share a percentage with the children after you may have recouped "any $$ laid out to assist Linda"???

4) Do you believe in having to atone for Karma you've done? If so... my god the atonement you have coming for:
a) Linda's children
b) Linda's grandchildren
c) Philip di Franco
d) Carolyn Reynolds
e) Kathleen McGowans
f) etc., Etc., ETC.

5) How do you justify these choices of yours and not live with some energy patterns of guilt or shame?

posted December 15, 2007 08:14 PM         

"The TAKERS will eat better, but the GIVERS sleep better"

posted December 15, 2007 09:51 PM         

26Taurus: “I dislike gossiping & judging. Let It Be.”

First, you must have a difficult time reading a lot of the posts in Linda Land… because much of the sharing may be defined as gossip and judging.

Secondly, the dictionary defines gossip (noun) – “causal or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true.” Well 26Taurus many of the things shared above are confirmed as being true and factual! And much of what was provided above was not casual or unconstrained conversation… very serious and factual reporting.

Thirdly, the dictionary defines judging - judge (verb) - form an opinion or conclusion about. Yes I formed an opinion and conclusion after hearing all the facts. You judged me right on that one!

Fourthly, the dictionary defines sharing - share a portion of (something) with another or others / use, copy, or enjoy (something) jointly with another or others / possess (a view or quality) in common with others. So suffice to say I shared!

Fifth, the dictionary defines opinion (noun) - a view or judgement formed about something. Suffice to say I shared my opinion.

Furthermore, you say “Let it Be”… NO 26 Taurus I will not let it be… not until I learn Linda’s children, grandchildren and Philip have received what is rightfully there’s! So, if you feel that strongly that we are gossiping and judging and you don’t want any part… you may not want to read this thread any more… so you don’t have to judge us as gossiping and judging.. just a “thought”… “suggestion”…

In closing, I see from one of your post’s you do believe in Karma… guess that’s the only thing we agree to agree on… thanks for sharing your opinion…

26taurus
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posted April 15, 2005 04:11 AM

Yes, Ra. I was thinking the same thing. Very karmic. And painful.

Silverstone:

I had never heard your saying before.. I’d like to use it in the future.. do I need to send a letter to your Agent, or make you payment??? 

Words of wisdom… if you take .. you may eat better… however, if you giver you sleep better….

Thanks for sharing…. BiBi

posted December 15, 2007 10:28 PM         

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I would greatly appreciate hearing from the group... their insight and feelings on the post's above... let's share....

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You asked, I answered.

It wasnt a judgement I made, it was an observation - look it up - and then a statement. ...actually -wait, really all i did was tell you a little something about myself. And then quoted the Beatles.

And if it was a judgement, IMO it was a good one. You didnt need to take it as an attack.

I took into consideration the things you posted and then gave my feelings on them, just like you asked.

If you really only appreciated hearing thoughts from people in the group that would applaud or agree with that last post of yours, you shouldve stated that.

I simply stated what I thought. No need to start looking up words in the dictionary to post or searching through old posts of mine. lol

You quoted me on something I said well over two years ago btw. My thoughts on karma have changed since then. Maybe not alot but theyve changed.

People change and karma changes, BiBi Di Angelo. IMO you are generating your own bad karma by badmouthing this woman Crystal. But do whatever you want, i'll stay out of your threads from now on. I think this is only the second one i have read fully.

Hey, maybe instead of spending your time looking up words in the dictionary for me, you could spend it trying to hunt down Crystal so you could actually get her own answers to these questions that are so very important to YOU. You know, instead of generating more negative energy around the issue by asking people to speculate and talk about her and the choices she may or may not have made.

I fail to see why she has to answer to YOU.

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posted December 15, 2007 11:20 PM         

I don’t need to take a couple of deep breaths… but thank you for your kind consideration and thoughts. :angle:

Oh but 26 Taurus it was a judgment you made.. come on… get honest here…I don’t have an issue with you calling me judging.. as I already posted above… because the definition of judging above.

OH please 26 Taurus I didn’t take it as an attack… you’re putting words into my mouth... I take it as sharing.. getting clarity.. getting understanding..

Yes, I asked for feelings and comments.. and you provided them.. however, your only observation was to inform you didn’t get into gossip and judgment..... which I don’t have any problem with… You obviously came back in here quickly to see if anything else was shared… why… if you feel this thread was only gossip and judgement?

How cute when you say:

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“If you really only appreciated hearing thoughts from people in the group that would applaud or agree with that last post of yours, you shouldve stated that.” Now who is having a wording of sentence like an attack.. I greet others opinions, that’s how you grow. I just thought – how very interesting after sharing all that was shared – that you only come back was gossip and judging? So I returned with definitions that it was also sharing… and yes a judgment after facts received… an opinion after facts received.

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“I simply stated what I thought. No need to start looking up words in the dictionary to post or searching through old posts of mine. Lol”

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Guess we need to cover this more when you say:

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“You quoted me from something I said well over two years ago btw. My thoughts on karma have changed since then. Maybe not alot but theyve changed.”

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“People change and karma changes, BiBi Di Angelo. IMO you are generating your own bad karma by badmouthing this woman Crystal.”

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“Hey, maybe instead of spending your time looking up words in the dictionary for me, you could spend it trying to hunt down Crystal so you could actually get her own answers to these questions that are so very important to YOU. You know, instead of generating more negative energy around the issue by asking people to speculate and talk about her and the choices she may or may not have made.”

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Seems gossip and judgment wasn’t the core issue here after all.. perhaps? Don’t worry 26 Taurus I’m spending my efforts in locating Crystal and so are others… and we intend to obtain the answers to why the children and grand children weren’t taken care of…. Again… so interesting you fly by the core issue for myself… Linda’s children and grandchildren. Now it’s interesting you say Negative energy… I’m sharing fact of someone’s Negative doing’s…and you label it generating more negative energy… What ever! 

After reading for weeks on this website the one thing I applaud Randall on is creating and maintaining a forum for sharing – and I look forward to more sharing…

posted December 15, 2007 11:34 PM         

Peace out!