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Topic: Rituals For Immortality!
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 47424 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 22, 2000 09:39 AM
Can Immortals smoke? Drink? Eat meat? What about Linda's Rules for immortality? Are they set in stone, or are they merely Rituals to help re-MIND us of our immortality on a daily basis? ------------------ "The important thing is this: to be able at any moment to sacrifice what we are for what we could become." Charles Dubois IP: Logged |
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posted November 23, 2000 02:25 AM
Well, if Immortals aren't allowed to do any of those things...I know I'll never be Immortal. IP: Logged |
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posted November 24, 2000 12:45 PM
RIGHT ON GOOBERLILY What's the point if you can't enjoy yourself! ------------------ @~>~~ YIVY IP: Logged |
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posted November 27, 2000 11:51 PM
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posted March 04, 2001 05:21 PM
What are Linda's rules for immortality??I think I might be immortal but I don't know. I am soooooo in the Dark....DEAREST ...I am so sorry for all of my posts throughout this bulletin board this weekend but I feel this "uregency" it's very odd....I need to find out what I'm here for......IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 47424 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2001 01:41 PM
Linda's Rituals are not set in stone. I started out following them to the letter (although I learned about immortality from my own personal GURU before hearing of Linda), but after religiously following Linda's Plan for a long time, I began to realize that Rituals are not required. Rituals are good for most Knowflakes, because they re-MIND us of our immortality, but some of us will simply BE. ------------------ Consider the circle, measure it please, All its three hundred and sixty degrees. Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees, Must be accounted for nice as you please Here come astrologers, what do they say? Divide the degrees in precisely this way. Take thirty degrees for each of the signs It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
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posted March 07, 2001 08:35 PM
AMEN & AWOMEN....Just KNOWING it can be done is half the battle.... ------------------
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posted March 07, 2001 10:01 PM
Rules are never fun Well, not most of the time, at least IP: Logged |
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posted March 08, 2001 01:43 AM
Right on..Purple Rituals are sorta the 'sticky note pads' for the soul. ------------------
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 47424 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 08, 2001 01:22 PM
Bravo, Purple!------------------ Consider the circle, measure it please, All its three hundred and sixty degrees. Wasn't that fun, and haven't you found You can do it again, the other way 'round? Now that we know how many degrees, Must be accounted for nice as you please Here come astrologers, what do they say? Divide the degrees in precisely this way. Take thirty degrees for each of the signs It makes a nice wheel divided by lines. Chris Angelino IP: Logged |
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posted March 08, 2001 09:15 PM
Very well put, wise words Purple IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 47424 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 17, 2001 06:20 PM
Eventually, you reach a point where you just k-NOW that you are immortal, so you don't give it much thought per se; however, you are actually reinforcing it often by guarding your thoughts to prevent that societal deathist programming that occurs all around us. Each time you catch your S-elf (and stop your S-elf from) saying stuff like, "You're killing me!" you reaffirm your immortality without using a formal Ritual. ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
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posted April 18, 2001 09:58 AM
Randall, so TRUE so TRUE!!!!Pretty soon it is just like knowing you have brown hair and brown eyes. Just a part of who you are... ------------------
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 47424 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2001 02:43 PM
YIVY, you said it even better than I! ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
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posted April 19, 2001 02:18 PM
I agree that simply the belief in or knowing of ones own immortality is the single most important factor, and that rituals do indeed help us in this respect. However, why do we not use rituals like smoking a few times a day or having a stiff drink once a night or eating as much meat as we can possibly consume? Why not rituals like these, they are much easier and much more fun? If we believed that these things could make us immortal, would they? Not a chance, that is unless your mind and will are so strong that anything physically detrimental can be negated, and I don't think anyone here has that sort of power. There are natural laws in effect here. You take a poison, you do damage. Yes, the mind can ultimately overcome much of this through the law of mind over matter, but who here has that degree of power and control? (if you do, then please manifest yourself here so we can discuss my error ) A fully immortal person may be able to indulge occasionally, but that same person is also aware of the fact that these things do damage to the physical organism, the temple, and choose not to desecrate it. I think Linda was teaching us a great lesson in taking for granted one's immortality when she died. She, at one time, completely considered herself to be immortal, and yet she indulged in certain physical activities. Her body would not have it. Unless one is extremely advanced, no amount of Ordaining or spell-casting is going to stop the deteriorization of the body. You CAN fool it for a time, but that time will expire. So, I personally think it is folly, and ultimately self-destuctive, for a "new immortal" to believe that smoking, drinking, and whatever else can be overcome simply by thinking about it. Immortals are not here to indulge, they are here to advance and assist. I don't mean to step on any toes, but I think this is important. Peace be with you IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 47424 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 19, 2001 03:48 PM
I'm sure YIVY would respectfully disagree (she is quite powerful an Immortal), but I do see your points as well. We Live in a physical world, and the human body has physical limitations. I do feel that One's thoughts are more important than the physical. The body can go through cleansing periods to detoxify toxins, but poisonous thoughts are not so easily eradicated. Mutated DNA can be repaired, and cellular regeneration can restore the body as long as extremes aren't taken. Which leads me to the following: We are all correct in our own way in what we are saying, so I say "moderation in all things." ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 47424 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 19, 2001 03:57 PM
Personally, I don't think smoking is as harmful as the government would have us beLIeVE. I don't smoke, though. I don't drink, because I need all my brain cells intact. I do eat meat, and my body is energized after a nice steak (I have a carnivorous metabolism), but I am well aware that when my body is ready, it will no longer desire meat. Until then, the act of depriving my S-elf of something I desire would be more harmful than the moderate consumption of the meat itself! Such mental deprivations are very harmful. Of course, One has to weigh what is desired against the harmful effects. With alcohol, the alcohol is more harmful than the unanswered desire would be. With meat, some bodies are more adaptable to meat than others, and due to evolution, some of us have become more omnivorous than frugivorous or herbivorous (if those two are actually words), which is why Linda was emphatic about weaning off meat slowly to allow the body to adjust accordingly. Anywho, that is just my humble opinion. ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
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posted April 20, 2001 12:39 AM
You know...August mentioned MANIFESTING...well that got me to thinking.The one single greatest obstacle to MANIFESTING is FEAR...Think about it. Do we manifest with our clothes on..or do we FEAR to show up with our 'talents' showing. If we manifest, do we run the chance of materializing inside the wall? What if we get there and can't get back home...and us with no money in our pockets (providing the pockets traveled with us). And the greatest FEAR..what if we actually did it... The greatest teachers through out all time have said it...CONQUER FEAR, AND THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN NOT ACCOMPLISH! ------------------ @~>~~ YIVY "Witchy Woman" IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 1207 From: Kentucky Registered: May 2009
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posted April 20, 2001 04:01 AM
Well, I think I am sailing on the Mobius boat. I understand the psychology at play here, and I am not trying to undermine anyone's belief structure, but I also feel that there is a deeper layer of psychology, as YIVY very wisely pointed out, the psychology of fear. It can be very elusive. Rationalizing is a classic disguise. I really am not trying to sound malicious, and I am not attacking anyone, really , but I do not know any other way to say it. These sound like excuses to me, excuses that cover the FEAR of not being immortal. I erased that last sentence, but something told me to write it back. Then I erased it again, feeling it too negative, but again, I have written it back. I will let it stand, so now, LET ME HAVE IT! Walk in Peace IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 47424 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 20, 2001 06:04 AM
Can't argue with that logic, Ra. ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
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posted April 20, 2001 11:16 AM
You are right as rain, RA...A lot of people jump on the IMMORTAL BANDWAGON as they are FEAR death.It scares their livers into quivering jelly.. I think one has to get over that fear of death...it is absolutely nothing to be scared of. To be a true immortal, one has to eliminate their FEAR of death. If one has to go ahead and die to do it, then so be it. Since time is an illusion, there is plenty of it to learn immortality. It doesn't have to be right now. For some knowing this is not the final lifetime is great comfort. Who are we to say which is better. You were very wise to keep the last sentence in... ------------------
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Ra Moderator Posts: 1207 From: Kentucky Registered: May 2009
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posted April 20, 2001 01:37 PM
Come on Randall, YOU can argue anything! IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 47424 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 20, 2001 04:20 PM
The best way to overcome the fear of death is to Live. Linda said that every day your Life urges are stronger than your death urges, you will continue to Live. And if you continue to Live, you will continue to have the opportunity to become immortal. By simply BEing immortal and not fearing that One has to do something to "attain" it, there is nothing left to fear. We simply are. It requires no thought except for the watchful eye of removing all deathist lingo from our unwitting vocabulary (so that our Higher S-elf doesn't get mixed signals). This was the WHOLE of Linda's Chapter Nine. She said there are many Paths to Rome and simplified The Lion Path (actually rewrote the steps altogether). By whose authority? Hers! Yours! Mine! Ours! Then she gave her hard and fast Rules (set in stone?) for us to adhere to out of a strong belief in them (which would make immortality a possibility), only to allow us to one day find that we have reached the state of Life that allows Us to simply be. A better Teacher she could not have been. No GURUs. G, U R U! ------------------ "The ancestor to every action is a thought." EMERSON IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 1207 From: Kentucky Registered: May 2009
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posted April 21, 2001 02:58 AM
Excellent! IP: Logged |
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posted April 21, 2001 11:59 PM
Speaking personally, I honor everyone's own personal decisions regarding their life paths. I respect everyone for the choices they make, and I'm very thankful that I have not been criticized because I choose to not be an immortal in this current flesh temple. I enjoy hearing everyones personal experiences on their immortal paths, and theories regarding such. IP: Logged |