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mambo
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posted July 25, 2002 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mambo     Edit/Delete Message
I have just read an interesting article about a physicist back in 1982 that was doing experiments with sub-atomic particles and discovered that these particles could instantaneously "communicate" with each other no matter what the distance was that separated them. The experiment was carried out at the University of Paris and his name was Alain Aspect.

A London physicist, David Bohm believes that the findings represent a giant illusion and that this universe is just a big Hologram. This is what the Eastern Mystics, Linda and probably quite a few on this site believe.

There is a faster than light aspect (excuse the pun) between the particles that David believes is telling us that we are not getting all of the information around us, concerning the Universe and that there is a higher reality still to be discovered. This would upset Einsteins Theories, and after all was said and done he was just that; a theorist.

Finally science and spirituality are starting to merge.

The article also talks about the Past, Present and Future as being one and with the proper tools we could look into the "Past". Also that everything is connected to everything else regardless of it's physical makeup, and that we only see them as being separate because we are only seeing from a particular vantage point. It goes on to say that we are receivers of particular frequencies and that is what manifests in our physical reality and there are many "channels" to choose from.

Exit stage left, return to the play as a new character...you are what you think, and what you think you become.

The article goes on to say that if we are all "Holograms" and this is a part of our Consciousness, then we are all responsible for our own health and wellbeing and that medical science will need to look at Health in a different way.

I would like to know what the illuminating source is/are.

Cheers Dean

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Randall
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posted July 25, 2002 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Incredible information! These "twin particles" can communicate with one another no matter the distance between them (violating Einstein's theory). The "illuminating" Source is each of the us-of-us (perhaps, even wearing virtual reality glasses). The common Matrix is the reality we all took part in creating, including the illusion of time to keep it all together. Unlike the movie Matrix counterpart, our Matrix is positive in nature. All the EnLIGHTened Masters understood that we are all gods (Jesus said so also). Life is a play. End one character, and take up another (reincarnation) until you reach the end, which is solving the mystery in this "game" by finding the proverbial Star Trek-like Arch (EnLIGHTenment). At that point, One could travel to the true reality (other side--or where we go between characters) at any time, as well as to any other point in time on this plane of reality, including the multiple projections of the endless number of story deviations (quantum realities). As our true S-elves are not able to experience what we can while inside this Matrix (being without "form" or matter), this is where we prefer to be (for the most part, since we enjoy physical pleasures, pain, various emotions, and food), except for occasional visits home while our characters "sleep." Why not enjoy the game? Heck, that's why we created it in the first place! What we think controls our experiences. Change your thoughts, change your character's storyline and the Plot. Physical Immortality is the natural conclusion for those wishing to gain control of their reality by avoiding the stop signs, false starts, and "dead" ends of birth amnesia, resulting in the ability to find the bread crumbs and follow them to the Arch. Our charts describe our characters' current storylines, but we can change our "fate" by willing it so (as Linda taught us). Then, by realizing our True S-elves, we can "play" here and also go home to visit consciously (one foot on Earth and one foot in Heaven).

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Enrique
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posted July 25, 2002 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enrique     Edit/Delete Message
Nice info Mambo! The world is starting to realize that we live in a lie, and this lie is also a truth...hehehe...

Randall...we're "gods", but we are not the Supreme Conciousness...
I think we're gods for many reasons, one of them is because we have the ability of creation, we can create everything!, maybe just in our mind, but this is also a creation isn't it?

Life is like a play..., we need to understand this and change the play which we call "destiny", this is a story...and our real purpose in this universe and in every universe is to BE...
They are beggining to believe that beyond this reality is one higher..., and after that reality, is one more higher...and so...,and so..., and so...untill reach THE ONE+

That's what I think...


+BE LIGHT+

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mambo
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posted July 25, 2002 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mambo     Edit/Delete Message
Ok here's my thoughts;

I agree with most of what you have said apart from the point of view that we created this illusion. I have always felt that our creators in their wisdom would not knowingly put us in this situation without experiencing it themselves. I'm a firm believer that they have come before and experienced everything that we mortals have, are and will experience in this and other lifetimes whether in the past, present or future.

You bring up some valid points.

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MAGUS of MUSIC
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posted July 25, 2002 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MAGUS of MUSIC     Edit/Delete Message
Mambo- Im not sure on that. Any thing I know of on this subject gives me no choice but to believe that our "illusion project" was one of the few to end up going this wrong.

Ive learned my self that you dont always have to wait to learn from your own mistakes, if you choose to be open and aware you can learn from others mistakes before you have to make them your self.

Maybee our creaters learned the easy way? As far as the events that have happened since they created us and took a step back to watch. They gave us freedom and alot of choices. Any situation man kind has been in he/she {through mass karma}, picked that road to go down in the world. Even if our creaters and higher sELFs were trying to wisper for us to take a different rout.

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mambo
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posted July 25, 2002 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mambo     Edit/Delete Message
HI Magus
Yes I agree entirely with what you say but I'm thinking that if you're a parent and your child goes to touch a boiling pot of water, you instantly protect that child from injuring itself, because we have been there and experienced it for ourselves. But if that same child wants to touch that pot after we have reasoned with it and still touches it then we have done all we possibly could to prevent it.

I use the same analogy with us, that our Creators would have done the same thing and we are just exercising our free will. They can only sit back and watch the consequences. It's like the majority of us are rebellious teens that have to try these things for ourselves before we finally learn from our mistakes, whether in this Life or others.

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posted July 26, 2002 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I agree; according to Linda, there is also a supreme (Supra)Consciousness (the Holy Spirit). But we are each a part of it (if I may sound so impersonal). We create through it. Were we created? Probably. But I look at our creation more as a split off of the Creators. They (male and female Energies)split themselves into many Souls. Each Soul then split into more. All for the purpose of experiencing. The hologram analogy is actually an oversimplification of the way it really is--but it conveys the idea well. That's my ONION, and I'm sticking to it!

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posted July 29, 2002 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I'm surprised this string isn't getting more input. Most people probably think we are nuts!

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aquamoon
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posted July 30, 2002 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquamoon     Edit/Delete Message
Absolutely not. Great thread!

Were we created? That's a toughie. That's a question that I've turned over and over in my head for ages in different shapes and forms like - At what point did the world begin? - Is my Higher Self, God? - Is he&she just MY God and report to the Big-Boss God or do we all have our individual HS Gods and are they all at par? - And then of course, simply, - Were we created?

If we agree that we're all masses of vibrating energy - then we weren't.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed. (I haven't picked up a Physics book in the last 10 years but I'm pretty sure I've got that right ) We've all simply just BEEN.

"BUT" {butts in prim-&-propah-ever-so-meticulous-Mercury-in-Virgo} "to BE you have to have started somewhere. When did you START to be? Where's the BEGINNING of the state of BEING?"

"Oh pish-posh you stuffy ole Virgo. That's a stupid question, even for you! Who says there HAS to be ANYTHING??" {Moon-in-Aquarius is not known for her subtlety in these parts of the woods - ask poor Merc.}

"Yeah!! Who said you get to make the rules around here anyway?" {roars a miffed Sun-in-Leo!}

{The gazillion planets in Libra jump in,} "That'll do now. No need to be nasty. We, for one, think that, seeing how energy can't be created, WE couldn't really be created, could we? We ARE made up of all these vibrations ..... but on the other hand ......we did have to begin SOMEWHERE, hmmm .... we're going to need another minute here ......... actually, could you make that an hour,please?"

"If we were *created* at the BEGINNING, it only follows reason that that beginning would have to be preceded by some kind of ENDING. This ENDING would at some point have had a BEGINNING, which in turn would have followed a previous ENDING, which followed a previous BEGINNING which followed a previous ENDING, which followed a previous BEGINNING......and when you have an infinite number of beginnings and endings, you have - Voila - INFINITY!! The beginning and end are all rolled into One! There is no beginning and there is no end. Remember the serpent? We have simply - always - BEEN!!!" {pipe in the other gazillion in Gemini.}


"By Jove! I think I've got it!!! I'm so smart, it's scary! I think I need a nap to recharge my sharp intellect so I can wake up fresh and energised to solve the Universe's next big mystery." {Triumphant-&-weary-from-a-good-day's-work-Sun-in-LEO.}

Be patient, my usually-compassionate fellow knowflakes. I'm feeling a bit silly today. But, what the heck - IT'S MY BIRTHDAY!!!

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Randall
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posted July 30, 2002 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Aquamoon, your Post sounds like Linda wrote it. Simply delightful!

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Spiritua
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posted July 30, 2002 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spiritua     Edit/Delete Message
So far, out of all the posts I've seen here since my early days as a lurker going through the archives last November, the one you have just made is my favourite, Aquamoon.

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aquamoon
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posted July 31, 2002 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquamoon     Edit/Delete Message

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Randall
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posted July 31, 2002 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
From silent reader (lurker) to Moderator--you've come a long way!

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Spiritua
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posted July 31, 2002 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spiritua     Edit/Delete Message
So has Lindaland.

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Randall
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posted August 02, 2002 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Yep. Still standing strong.

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posted August 03, 2002 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I sometimes have had to make unpopular decisions with this site, but I do my best. May I always do the right thing, and may Linda's Spirit always guard the gates of Lindaland and Protect us.

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raj_105_2001
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posted August 04, 2002 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message
Incredibly Brilliant, Mambo - You are coming closer to Truth.

In Lie, Lies the Truth

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Spiritua
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posted August 04, 2002 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spiritua     Edit/Delete Message
Mambo,your consciousness is expanding daily.

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Randall
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posted August 05, 2002 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
It's actually quite an elaborate arrangement--each human projection infused with individual Consciousness, and reality being the culmination of the choices we all make and "thoughts" we think (resulting in natural disasters and the like), all within the confines of the Program, of course. Anyone ever seen a glitch?

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mambo
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posted August 05, 2002 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mambo     Edit/Delete Message
Something else I've been dwelling on:
what if we are a part of a larger entity and we are just like the cells in our body...except we're part of a larger organism, so to speak. The planets being chakras with the sun as the heart and so on.

Any comments?

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Randall
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posted August 05, 2002 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I would think more along the lines of our Uni-verse being a molecule in a greater Uni-verse, and us being the inhabitants (like bacteria).

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mambo
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posted August 05, 2002 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mambo     Edit/Delete Message
Give me a day and I'll think about it and reply tomorrow.

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posted August 06, 2002 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquamoon     Edit/Delete Message
I like the analogy of the planets being the chakras and the Sun at the heart. Very creative.

I agree that we are each a part of a greater consciousness.
The human body is a brilliant example of how an intricate and complex network of individual cells;

first: need to be healthy and whole individually in order to contribute the whole extent of their potential to the proper functioning of the body;

second: need to work in tandem with other cells to keep the entire body in perfect shape. Keyword: Cooperation

Result: Perfect harmony

There's lots more I want to say, but it's too vague to put into words. Later, maybe.


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mambo
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posted August 14, 2002 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mambo     Edit/Delete Message
Yes I would have to agree Randall...how does the saying go, finite minds cannot comprehend the infinte. Only when we do become one again with our creator(s) will we comprehend this.

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posted August 14, 2002 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I do like your chakra idea, Mambo!

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