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From: south of utopia
Registered: Mar 2003

posted September 25, 2003 02:42 PM         

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alchimiest, even though I commend you on understanding that in a sense all our energies are equal, and that in that sense, no one or no thing is more important in the scheme of things, I think it's a big error to go on to conclude that therefore any killing makes no difference."Kill all you want" is a big fallacy. If a person believes they have a right to kill casually, then they can intend to kill, and that is never OK. Murder is an act against life, and the Universe itself. It does matter -- because somebody is taking away a unique and precious spark of life, and they have no right to decide to do that.

I can support that as larger creatures, we may not be aware that we are crushing ants underfoot, for example, but if we deliberately seek out ants to crush because it 'doesn't matter', then that makes us a practitioner of deliberate killing. You are entitled to your views, but mine is that justifying killing is never OK.

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From: baltimore, MD USA
Registered: Sep 2003

posted September 29, 2003 06:13 PM         

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Hey LunarGirl!
what I meant was that killing in ignorance or killing deliberately makes no difference at all. period. Life cannot be destroyed (that's the feeling I get, anyway) no matter what. Once you reach a level of awareness where you KNOW that you can't destroy life, that life is the same, that Life is all there is, you realize that IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER OR NOT YOU KILL SOMETHING. Also, remember that I said (anyway, I THINK I said... I can't remember myself I'll look up on it after I post this...)that once you reach this point, you won't WANT to kill (ie: terminate a being's current existence) anyway. Precisely because you now realise that IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. It's not so much a 'respect for life' in the sense that 'everything deserves to live and I am doing evil by killing' but more a matter of 'I respect life, because I see life for what it is- something eternal!' Murder is when you willfully want to end a being's existence (note, I say 'want') but at the point where you realise that there can be no end to existence, what is left to murder?
I hardly profess to being all knowing or anything but the way I look at it is, if I die, I know I will continue to exist. So if you want to kill me, it doesn't make an iota of difference to me. Really. But as you said, it is an individual thing.

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From: baltimore, MD USA
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posted October 06, 2003 07:49 PM         

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mercury, I am just curious, when you say (quote) "I prefer to believe there is an order to things, that we are meant to eat and kill unsentient animals, like the Bible says." what exactly do you mean? Is it that animals have no souls or something, or that they feel no pain, or what?
I do not mean this in an offensive way, so please do not take it as such. I just want to know your thought behind this statement.

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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted October 07, 2003 01:06 PM         

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