posted May 27, 2003 06:48 AM         

I used to go swimming three times a week,well I stopped because I was worried about the effect on my skin(and hair,but that doesnt seem quite so important)
My reasoning is this,I'm going to all the trouble of looking after my skin and making sure I think the right way which means my cells will re-new themselves and my skin cells stay plump and healthy,then I go and swim round in bleach several times a week.
In my minds eye I have this picture,if you took a piece of cloth or even for sake of an example some hair,and swished it about in chlorine regularly that cloth or hair would first lose it's quality and strength in it's fibres and then eventually break down and,eventually disintegrate.
I worry that this could happen to my skin
I remember I read somewhere that eventually chlorine starts to break down the protein
in skin,also I remember reading about an olympic swimmer who has to moisturise her skin twelve times a day or something.

On the other hand

That piece of cloth or hair would have no turning over and renewal of cells to keep it's fibres strengthened,and I do have this ability.

Well depending what part of the world you live in,you may have your own pool.
I know that the strength of chlorine used can vary,over here private swimming pools arent that common and most people use public pools which I have a feeling use maximum strength chlorine.Also there is no way I can spend more than a couple of minutes without my goggles as it burns my eyes really badly,which I'm thinking is not a good sign.

Incidentally I noticed when I was looking at pictures of Linda's house on 'Concious Evolution'that she had a swimming pool and she also advocated developing ability at sport in chapter 9.Anyway I'm thinking of taking it up again so any information would be valuable

posted May 28, 2003 05:57 AM         

I don't really know anything about what you're asking, but I just wanted to ask you about your vitamin regimen since you obviously take such good care of your body: how much do you take a day (if you do) and which ones? And for how long have you been taking them and what's the effect, you think?

I know that chlorine can really dry up your skin so you have to moisturize it more, but I have no idea if it leaves permanent damage to the skin. But I guess Randall has a point and the skin that is dried up in this way renews itself just like any other skin, depending on what you want it to do

posted May 29, 2003 06:31 AM         

that's an interesting point about Linda recommending moisturisers,maybe she was including them as a safety margin for cases like this.

I'm a follower of 'Fit For Life' by Harvey and Marylin Diamond(I think from memory)which in case anyone doesn't know is food combining and also the use of fruit to cleanse your body(as well as a lot of other things).One of the things they explain in the book is that you can drink and drink all the water you want,and it will just pass through your digestive tracts and not be absorbed and satisfy the body's needs,but fruit contains distilled water inside it,and inside the fruit it's in a form which can be absorbed by the body,the idea is that you only eat fruit on an empty stomach and you clean and also moisturise your body from the inside,also this sort of moisturises your skin cells.
So to cut this story short I believe that if you eat the right way,also eating nuts and olive oil or whatever,then you are moisturising your skin and putting on moisturiser neednt be necessary.

but probably necessary for swimming

I'm a bit unsure about the area of vitamins Morgana,part of me thinks they're unecessary and in fact the book I mentioned above puts forward the idea that they actually accumulate as poisons in the body.Also,well it might sound a bit silly but for example once I had to stop taking some high dose,vitamin E as I felt like it was making me freak out,I'm a bit wary about vitamins,and for example even if I just try taking a multi-vitamin tablet I will keep stopping taking it for little periods of time because they just make me feel a bit funny,and I wonder wether the body recognizes them as being hard and alien and sort of 'fights' them,but that's just a little theory I've dreamed up myself.I think it has something to do with being a pisces rising,I feel like I react to anything artificial or synthetic.
So to answer your question Morgana, vitamin taking doesnt really play much part in my health regimen,I found the 'Fit for Life' regieme,and the follow up book 'Fit for Life 2'have taken care of a lot of my approach.
All of what they say incorporates vegetarianism and veganism and also backs up Linda's mention of fruitarianism.I'm making this short now,I might try and post a bit more of my health beliefs later(as you seem interested)who knows maybe other people can contribute with information or have a different idea

posted May 31, 2003 05:24 AM         

I agree, if you do everything right, if you eat right etc., you don't need this extra help like moisturizers (except for swimming in chlorine water) and vitamin supplements. That is the ideal. But since my lifestyle is anything but ideal, I feel I do need vitamins, especially if I want to beat the deterioration of my body. I have a really unhealthy lifestyle: I sit in front of the computer all day, I hardly ever go for a nature walk, I just drive around in my car, I'm a fast-food, meat-eating, sweet and gassed-juice drinking lazy person
And I find that vitamins really help me: I feel much much better, my skin has improved a 100 %, so I'm not giving this up!! For 6 months now, every day, I've been taking 5000 mg of time-release vitamin C, 2000 units of vitamin E, 1000 mg of PABA (or, lately 30 or 50 mg of Q-10), grapeseed extract, 200 mg of time-release vitamin B complex and 30 mg of Zinc, and every now and then a multivitamin tablet. As I'm writing this, I can see your horrified face, haha, but actually vitamins are very good for me. I can see that for someone who has a different outlook on them they may not be, but I believe that it's all in the mind, so if one believes they help, they do help, and if one doesn't, they do not. I choose them to be helpful

Maybe after a while I'll start to eat some more vegetables and fruit, but right now the greatest achievement for me is to drink lots of water instead of only sweet, artificial juices. But I don't see how I can ever give up Coke They must be putting drugs in it or something

Yes, please tell me more Mazz, I am interested, however hard that is to believe after everything I just wrote

posted June 01, 2003 04:39 AM         

Yes I know, I have a really bad conscience about meat-eating, last year I actually said that I'll give it up, but I can't seem to do without the taste. I guess I'm still very much unenlightened, but above all, I'm bloodthirsty just like the majority of the human kind and I'm ashamed of it very much. Lately I've been trying to add more vegetables and other kinds of food to my diet so maybe I'll slowly get used to the thought that meat is not a necessary ingredient of a meal. And I became so sympathetic towards animals during these past years that I think this is the process that's going to lead me to giving up meat.

But actually I'm very healthy, at least physically healthy, always have been. I get a cold once in about two years and I get well in two or three days, and that's all. When I was a child, I was sick only once (apart from a couple of child-deseases), and by my own will, because I didn't want to go to school. My only problem was/is the skin - I know, the skin reflects my unhealthy lifestyle and diet. But it took a long time for me to really make the connection, so lately I've been trying to eat more healthily and these vitamins really help. And I actually developed a dislike for certain really unhealthy foods that I used to devour before. But you'll be shocked yet again to hear that I have periods when I eat two bars of chocolate or more every day, for months!! But I never gain any weight, it remains perfect (I think), I'm very slim. I think maybe it's because I ordered my body a while ago not to get fat, and it's obeying me, it works. I haven't had to diet for 6 years now which is a real relief. Maybe my subsoncsious mind is working this way, it knows what's good for me before I do. And this Lindaland site is rocket-boosting my awareness I think my evolution is really slow though. But I'm glad to say it is very thorough

It's so great that you actually feel the effect of everything that you eat, I'm really fascinated by that, it means that you listen to your body, and I'd like to master that art It seems that I only half-mastered the art of telling it what to do, but I'd like to be more in tune with it like you and so many other knowflakes here

I'm sorry but I have to pour my heart out to someone: it's funny that we're talking about this subject because yesterday I saw a car in front of me run over a cat and I picked him up and drove it to the vet, but I think he was dead almost immediately after the accident. I never saw death this close before, but the worst thing was seeing how he struggled to get up after the car hit him. I cried non-stop for three hours and I think I'll need some time to recover from this. And then I was talking to my bf and he said how ironic it is when we so desperately try to save one animal while at the same time we have concentration camps for animals we kill and eat. Maybe this experience gave me the push I needed, you know, for giving up meat sometime in the future. I don't know, I just have to hope that this was good for something

sorry for this outburst

Talk later,

, morgana

posted June 01, 2003 08:26 AM         

I can understand what you mean about ordering your body to do something,you know I was thinking something a while back,when I see anorexic people,you know you sometimes notice girls who are obviously anorexic,poor souls,anyway when I see them I notice that I also see their aura,well I cant see auras,but what I mean is I pick up the perhaps 'astral'image they have of themselves,and,you see,they can be standing there,skin and bone,but I still see them as fat,and I'm thinking maybe this is because they see themselves as fat and I can pick up on this.So I think anorexics have this image that they cant shake that they're fat,and no matter how much they starve themselves they still 'feel' overweight,and are projecting an image to others that they're overweight,so all they need to do is work on their minds and their mental problems,ordering your body to be slim-that's a good idea

I dont really feel like I'm in a position to lecture you about vegetarianism here as at the moment I'm eating dairy products,which also involve animal cruelty.
However I will say that meat isnt good as it takes ages for the body to digest it and you could try to eat a few vegetarian meals now and then and see that you feel a bit 'lighter'.

I saw a similar thing to you,a cat which had been hit by a car and no-one took him out of the road,his back must of been broken but still messages were being sent to his muscles because he was spinning around and flailing his legs wildly,I held his body in my arms and felt his heart thudding and then he looked into my eyes before he died.The experience certainly gave me confirmation that there's a soul in there(in the cat I mean).It was very upsetting for me also.

posted June 02, 2003 05:44 AM         

OK, Mazz, I'll try that. In fact, I feel that lately I'm more keen to eating food that's a bit more on the vegetarian side, as opposed to, let's say, a few years back when I was totally and completely carnivorous. Maybe there's hope for me yet Thanks for the push, Mazz, I need that. Perhaps I'll try to eat vegetarian for a few days and see how it affects me and how much I miss meat, I never tried that before. And this is a good time of year for this. What's your standpoint on fish and eggs?

BTW, to get to the subject of excercise: I just bought an elliptic trainer and it's really tough, but very good for your muscles and I sweat like a p.. when I excercise, so that's good for eliminating poisons from your body, no?

Otherwise I adore swimming, but here we have public pools too, so I'm not much keen on going there regularly, I just swim when I'm on the seaside.

posted June 03, 2003 06:02 AM         

Yes you actually have to drink lots of water to keep you from dehydrating, even if you go swimming, because you sweat all the same in water. So when you exercise, you can easily "flush" your body. But you know all that already

Take care, Mazz