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Topic: Immortality not for me!
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moondreamer
Knowflake Posts: 303
From: durban
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted February 26, 2004 04:06 PM
 
Hi guys.I have this HUGE problem about physical immortality. Does it literally mean that people will stay on this earth FOREVER? What does it really mean? I do not serious want to live on this earth forever and ever because the way the world is today,global warming,sick people,pollution,threat of chemical warfare,etc.
I would rather die and live in a place where love prevails and all these horrors dont exist.
Maybe i am not evolved enough to accept we can achieve physical immortality.
To me,it is not pausible.
I can't imagine living forever.
Could some one help me with my dilemma?
Sorry if I have upset any immortals on this site but I want to express my opinion. Thanx,Mark IP: Logged |
FishKitten
Knowflake Posts: 464
From: beautiful, hidden mountain village, BC, Canada
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted February 26, 2004 04:56 PM
Hi Mark. I suspect the cool thing about immortality is that you get to hang around long enough to see things change. There are many situations in the world today that you don't like (and who can blame you). But if you saw things turn around to a more loving and natural world within your lifetime, that might make you feel wonderful. People, even those who are not physically immortal, sometimes see great changes. My greatgrandmother lived from 1889 to 1992. She saw the world change beynd her wildest dreams. She was able to tell me all kinds of cool things about the first car she ever saw, what it was like to travel in a covered wagon, how miraculous airplanes and telephones and television seemed, what birth control was like in 1912, etc. Plus, if you are immortal, you don't have to go through all the effort of learning/remembering stuff all over again every time you get reborn.Just a thought.  IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 364
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted February 26, 2004 05:13 PM
I understand your gripes moondreamer. Being a child of Pluto, it's difficult for me to completly let go of the death thing. It attracts me somehow. My personal take on immortality includes accepting death. I don't expect to live to be 300 - realistically I'm just not at that spiritual level. Far from it. But I do hope to extend my life a bit past the norm and maitain a better quality of life into my latter years. I think of immortality as control over death. To die when I wish and peacefully. I don't think of it as being trapped to an earthly existence. I would have to guess that the real immortals out there have occasion to leave their physical bodies and take up residence in another if and when it suits them. But again, on their own timetable. I would also imagine that they are capable of retaining the memories of their past life. Maybe if there were more immortals those problems you mentioned would be taken care of. Maybe fixing those problems is part of the reason there are immortals IP: Logged |
Enrique
Knowflake Posts: 489
From: Mexico city, Mexico
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted February 27, 2004 03:07 AM
Hi Moondreamer...Being inmortal doesn't mean that you will stay as you're now forever and only in this planet. When a person becomes really inmortal, it means that he/she had already became one with his/her Higher S-elf, in consecuence, so..., the world will not be the same for you. You'll realize that this planet and all the universes are just illusions created for a special meaning, but in fact, they are just movies...just stories... and you'll realize the Truth...
THE REALITY... that is indeed...what we poor humans call God.
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Grasshopper
Moderator Posts: 288
From: Vermont
Registered: May 2001
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posted February 27, 2004 10:34 AM
I like it here ------------------
"The reason why birds can fly and man cannot is simply that they have perfect faith; for to have faith is to have wings." ~JM Barrie IP: Logged |
moondreamer
Knowflake Posts: 303
From: durban
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted February 27, 2004 03:07 PM
Thanks guys for all your replys.Howver,from what I gather from reading what you guys say, is physical immortality similar to re-incarnation or not? I don't have a problem with re-incarnation because I do believe in it.But I dont want to return to Earth when my physical body withers and dies this time round.On the other hand it is not up to me to decide or not(or is it my choice?)to come back. Please help me see the light clearer and brighter. Thank-you.
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NikiSpeedy
Knowflake Posts: 292
From: NC
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted February 27, 2004 03:20 PM
Hmm -- i would say immortality is not for me either. Not too sure it's related to "advancement" anyway. We all come here for different lessons. I have come here with much suffering to endure - also ruled by lotsa Pisces and Scorpio too. I have seen death over and over and over and it has nearly sucked the life outta me. To me, HELL is HERE!!!! I have tho, seen glimpses of what COULD be, but am weakened by way too much loss -- i am ready to go any time. Just imagine how i would feel if i didn't have Sun Jupiter conj -- rofl. Let me tell ya -- and i know others can agree -- ISOLATION is what kills us.IP: Logged |
moondreamer
Knowflake Posts: 303
From: durban
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted February 28, 2004 02:35 AM
Hi NikiSpeedy.I am really sorry to hear about your suffering losses. My heart pours out to you(it is not a joke).
I totally agree about what you said
that " isolation is what kills you." Every now and then I read or hear reports about how an aged person "died in isolation". Surely if you are aged and ready to depart,your family and friends should be there to comfort you?Just a thought.
That is one of my fears,dieing in isolation. Moondreamer.
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NikiSpeedy
Knowflake Posts: 292
From: NC
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted February 28, 2004 12:44 PM
Moon -- I have a few years on me, but probably not considered aged at this point. The only problem with the idea of friends and family around ya -- is that isolation means u have none of that. I can tell ya tho, that i never thot i would be in this situation in my life. Rev. Alice has mentioned that those with Scorpio Asc are too many times the scapegoat for others misconduct -- it is true. This aspect truly does wear on the soul and this mostly explains my current situation. Chiron in my 2nd has also stolen my "property and self-worth" and i don't even know how to proceed from this negative space. LOL-i used to be "smart." It is said that you CHOOSE your chart -- wonder what i had in mind? sheeshIP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 364
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted February 28, 2004 08:40 PM
 I sometimes wonder that about my chart too. Other times it seems to all make sense - the good along with the bad. Even if you don't remember it now, you had something in mind too, Niki. And you've got to see it through. IP: Logged |
Eleanore
Knowflake Posts: 129
From: North Carolina
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted March 06, 2004 01:14 AM
I think immortality is a choice that is up to each individual. Some people are ready for it, some people are not. You'll know if and when you are. Personally, I do feel it is a step up from our current (generally speaking) level of evolution. I hope that doesn't sound offensive to anyone ... there is nothing wrong with being in kindergarden or first grade or college if that's the level that's right for you. It's not about being "better" or "worse" than anyone else. It's about being yourS-elf.
That being said, I believe choosing immortality is the freedom to decide how long you will live ... whether it's 900 more years or 9 more years. Everyone has a unique and different "mission" in this earthly life, aside from their personal growth. I don't think how long you actually live is that important. Time is relative, remember? A day to you may be a year to someone else, and vice versa. I think the state of being of an immortal is much more important than how many illusory chronological earth years they've been around.
As far as reincarnation goes ... I think it is a great way to continue your soul progressions if immortality is not for you. Again, whether or not it is a conscious one, it is your choice. Part of the reason I believe that immortality is a step-up from reincarnation is that you can work on evolving your soul and your mind (and all that other good stuff like being one with the universe ) without having the negative side-effects of things like spiritual amnesia and having to start from scratch each time. A very poor example would be playing a video game on a system where you couldn't save any data. If you lost, you'd have to start all over from the beginning until you mastered it. Of course, you could always switch the game out for another one ... but the same laws would be in effect and it would only be a different lesson.
Hope that made some sense.IP: Logged |
moondreamer
Knowflake Posts: 303
From: durban
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted March 06, 2004 02:12 PM
Nicely said,EleanoreIP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 16576
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 12, 2004 01:07 PM
Well-said, El.  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
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