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maklhouf
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posted September 09, 2005 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
Buried in the middle of all the questions and answers is one I put: Why do we have a body?
It is probably the only question there that is actually relevant to this forum. Not only is it relevant, it is crucial, so it probably deserves a thread to itself.
I may return here from time to time with my thoughts on "Why we have a body", and I invite anyone else who wishes to contribute their thoughts.


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posted September 09, 2005 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
QUICK PREVIEW OF THIS THREAD:

It really bites.

You'll read a whole bunch, but noone's really said anything. In fact, you should turn back now before you waste time that you can never get back.

I repeat: Engaging this thread will likely prove an empty and unrewarding experience.

Please turn back now, while you still can!!!

daf

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maklhouf
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posted September 10, 2005 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
It's not about
YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
People are entitled to cross-reference the answers already given to the question. Yours were not particularly helpful but there were other replies as well. By all means end our association here and now.

To return to the subject of Why we have a body. I have been thinking very often since I posted, of gravity. Trying to feel the weight of my physical being. Something that slows me down, anchors me ...
Still thinking!

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posted September 10, 2005 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grasshopper     Edit/Delete Message
Okies. You've each had a chance to say your mind on the topic of Daf v. Mal in a live forum. But let's not make it the main event. If you wish to continue in that line, please do so by means other than this forum. Because this isn't going anywhere good.

Let's get the secondary topic to the primary topic and the primary topic the way of the do-do bird.

Thanks, folks.

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maklhouf
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posted September 12, 2005 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
OK, I had some more thoughts I was going to put down but I won't bother now. All the best.

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posted September 12, 2005 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalala     Edit/Delete Message
this is what i feel:

the fact that we have bodies, living organisms used as vessels for our hopes, dreams and desires is very relevant to spiritual truth. we all know of the Self and s-elf. im pretty sure i have this right according to Linda's definitions, but the s-elf is our child like part- the part that we know so well- the part which is often led into "sin" or darkness; activities that feel good but are intrinsicly "bad", or in a better sense, leading us away from "the light" aka, knowledge, understanding, equality, peace. our Self, or higher self is the part of our entity that is perfect, perfect like god, because it is the part of our entity that was made by god. Being on earth the separation of our s-elf and Self will become more apparent as we approach greater understanding of our s-elf. At this realization we begin to find signs and realizing that life has a purpose and a rythym and timing. that our invidivual lives do have the utmost meaning, to ourselves and those around us. The goal our entities is to be the Self, the perfection that is god- to dawn the garments of godhood. In my experience, "the path" is a give and take road that will lead to the dawning of godhood. Give and take meaning the Self will present situations to the s-elf to see how the s-elf will react. Its within the understanding of these reactions that the s-elf will grow more like the Self, in an understanding as to why the Self designed the situation the way that it did.

With all this being said physical embodiment is truly the living manifestation of who we are. its how the puzzle fits together- why we're brought together with the people we are with, why we experience what we experience. its not about the experience being "good", or "bad", its about why the experience occured. Physical embodiment at another point will be the living manifestation of who we want to be, and what goals we would like to accomplish. it is a fine balance. There is a saying in the bible, you are either quickened or dead. to be quickened is to realize the power of your thoughts, and that your thoughts will determine your reality, because its your thoughts that chain you to your s-elf, and your thoughts that will set you free. what could be more free than becoming your Self?


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maklhouf
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posted September 13, 2005 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
Well since the thread doesn't seem to have died after all: I'm going to read thru what you said slowly again Lalala. It's sparked my interest. I was thinking that if there is a Creator, He could have made us with bodies to keep us humble. Lucifer
is beautiful and has a lightbody and was therefore incapable of humility.

so he probably doesn't look like this

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posted September 13, 2005 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
maklhuof,
What is your specific question? The topic THE BODY in this forum explains that.

Lucifer is here and he's just like you and me,
you do know he was thrown down here, REBORN.
We are all children of MOther and Father Creator, we all have the same ability to find and reach our divine births purpose.
Love all your brothers and sisters, undertake to do everything with Love.
This is the Time the Master's shall start talking, no more secrets, we are all equal, we just have to make a choice, good or bad?

Love and Light to ALL

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posted September 14, 2005 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
I am enjoying the The Body thread, but I like to keep this thread going also. That is because it is connected to another thread and I have to connect because that is my fourth-dimensional task.
I am not trying to make a specific point here, although there are places where I am doing just that. Here I'm just living, putting down stuff as it pops into my head. I am a great admirer of Lucifer, the morning star. That has to be Venus don't you think?

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posted September 14, 2005 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Maklhouf,

I see, I'm laughing, you admire Lucifer, I guess that's Ok.
But , I LOVE LUCIFER
and I'm not giving up on him, there's still hope for even him, and he's just like you and me.
He's really trying to get it right, such stories from the bible, who is the real Devil
character, LInda mentioned him, SET.

Love and Light to ALL

P.S. what is it you admire so much?

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posted September 14, 2005 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
Could anyone not admire dazzling beauty, perfection, courage, defiance in the face of doom?
I'm often surprised at how human beings managed to be consumed by pride, even where they display none of the above qualities.

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posted September 14, 2005 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Maklhouf,

Mother and Father Created all this beauty, they even created Lucifer.

Fallen Angels = 9 Life Force

LOVE Venus = 6

You have me confused, I must say, you sneaky little devil, lol. Stop it, I'm still laughing.

Please explain.

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posted September 14, 2005 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
The body is for the Purpose of housing the Spirit so we may carry out our Service in/to the material world, yes?

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posted September 14, 2005 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Svetlana     Edit/Delete Message
What body did yo mean? As I understand it we have a few
As for physical one, IMO we need it to survive in this dimension on this particular planet. Personally I'd make a few modifications, but as it is it serves us well.

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posted September 15, 2005 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
Thankx Juni and Svet for your contributions. Regarding Venus I am thinking astronomically and historically rather than astrologicaly or numeromerologically (WOW)
Venus is regarded as the Star of the Morning. As is Lucifer.

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posted September 15, 2005 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
So,
All you need is LOVE... ...

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posted September 15, 2005 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Why do you believe it is called "The Bringer of Light", maklhouf? Beyond the pretty poetic title, what do think it means?
The connection with Venus is an old one. What do make of it?

As an aside of sorts ... I think it is a mistake to assume that spiritual entities do not evolve and develop. What is appropriate and required in one age might not be in another. Sometimes I think evil is just another word for inappropriate.

I prefer Michael though, so possibly I'm biased.

another little aside ... Lucifer is also known as the Lord of the False Dawn.

Lotus ~ I don't think maklhouf is referring to Set when he talks about Lucifer. But I could be wrong (and I'm sure he'll tell me if I am)

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posted September 15, 2005 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Tink!
Lucifer-Venus-MorningStar = 6
Love Evil in all things to overcome it.

It's always darkest before the dawn
Enlightenment.

Where is our little sneaky devil, come out and play, Please!

Love and Light to ALL

MoRning Sstar HOUse of David, oh, so sacred...

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posted September 16, 2005 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Or is Maklhouf just using Lucifer to get under Dafremen's skin?

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posted September 16, 2005 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
Ahhh. We have a mystic in our midst folks!

No doubt you are right my friend. That may be his purpose. He likes it when I show my more "human" side. It's something malkhouf can relate to (and has learned to manipulate.) Course being the consummate student of the mighty Lucifer (read: politician), he'll deny it..but, eh.

Unfortunately for ol' malkhouf the malcontent posing as content, I haven't been around.

Ex-wife half-hacked her hand off trying to get me to stay with her. Watching her severed tendons move around kind of distracted me, especially since she did it in front of my kids as well.

I mean, malkhouf COULD easily get under my skin. Just ask him. He'll tell you how easy it is to predict the reaction of a person who has held his loved one's hand onto her arm for 20 minutes while waiting for the paramedics.

Still, I've been so busy trying to figure out how I'm going to take care of my three kids now that the state has locked her away that I haven't had time to read any of this thread except for the first post until now.

(Now watch. This information is psychological ammo to a guy like malkhouf. And me? I can't wait to see what he does with it. )

So the wife is locked away, which sucks, because although I can't be with her romantically, I still love her.
(Did I mention that she began practicing black magic and called upon Lucifer to keep me from leaving? Course I just sat there and loved her while she did it. Love's a pretty tough shield to get through. Satan's a pretty thin one most of the time. Just don't get cocky.)

And my kids are in shock. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder the doctors called it. Time for a vacation. (Which means that this is the last chance I'll get to read this thread. I'm kinda thinkin..."big loss", folks.)

But again, thanks for getting to the point. It's nice when someone demonstrates a little clarity. Malkhouf is one sick puppy.

Smart, but about 3 beers short of a six pack..

Perhaps he drank them?

(Any bets that the sneaky, dirt worshipping twit will try to analyze this and respond in a condescending tone of superiority? You know, thinking that he has a brother cornered? "Gotcha now daf, you screwed up this time buwahahahaha. Now I will play calm, cool and collected and make you look foolish!!" (Too late, I already beat you to it! Ha! ) OR "now that you have called me on it, I will avoid that course of action and deny it." )

Malkhouf needs oral gratification from a team of Swedish midgets...er little people.

I think Lucifer should probably blow him too...I'd laugh.

"Here I'm just living, putting down stuff as it pops into my head." - malkhouf

Ditto.

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posted September 16, 2005 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petron     Edit/Delete Message
well daf, ......it seems we have more in common than i thought, only i tend to blame myself (or herself) for those kinds of acts, rather than to displace responsibility onto some form of thetan possession......

we are all one....no need to point fingers out into space and backward into time.....

and we are each of us a microcosm, and so i think we should praise our body......instead of tearing it down like some pagan temple....

yes, the body is a tomb for the soul....but what is the purpose of a tomb?? it is there to protect what has been placed inside it.....


peace.....


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posted September 16, 2005 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
Daf, do me one favour.
Never delete your last post.

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posted September 16, 2005 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
petron, I often wonder about that thing of tearing down the body. The thing we most often do is mutilate and mistreat it. But that can be decoration, tatooing, etc. And the body seems built to take a certain amount of mistreatment. Although there was much cheering when suicide was decriminalised, people did not seem to understand that the real question is who owns my body?

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posted September 16, 2005 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petron     Edit/Delete Message
well there is a purpose for tempering the body with hard physical disciplines, it is to be better capable to protect others and help carry the burdens of others....but suicide is only acceptable in cases of extreme old age/failing health....

pointless suicide is the opposite of "worshipping the body".....

and, to me, tattooes and piercings are not mutilations......

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posted September 16, 2005 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
I suppose if we own anything we own our body. But I'm not sure we do own it. Women use "I own my body " as a reason to have abortions.
To the extent that a body has its own mind, it would view your tatooing it as a mutilation

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