posted August 15, 2006 11:04 AM         

There seems to be a lot of talk about immortaltiy around here, and rightly so.

Firstly, don't you think cell regeneration is completely different to death?
Yes, to regenerate your cells will stop you from ageing, but will it stop a bullet to the head? Or the unseen dark forces known as death?

My point is that death is a force. The force that breaks you and spreads your essence far and wide. In the end, we are all a collection of energy, a bubble so to speak, or a bag of water to be more precise. By the force of diffusion, any imbalance is doomed to be balanced.

Cell regeneration will keep you young, just as meditating on muscle growth will make you stronger but this does not necessarily prolongue death. Death is by your side, everywhere, everytime, waiting to tap you on your shoulder. Waiting for that moment of MISDIRECTED WILL.

I do believe we have complete controll of our deaths, through the infinite power of will. But when our spirits are weak and our thoughts distracted we can be especially susceptible to the powers all around. Any force, one way or another, that is allowed to control us to an extreme will take us.

The power is within ultimate perception and ultimate will. Without will we are nothing and without perception, we see nothing and are therefore susceptible to everything.

So, do what you gotta do, be who you gotta be, and as long as you have the will to live forever it is entirely possible.

Thoughts anyone?

P.s. I should note I have read most of Linda Goodman's Star Signs but have not made it through Lexigrams just yet, so have no clue about her knowledge of immortality. I have gained my knowledge from various places, but one source in particular which I would recommend to any with an open mind. Read Carlso Casteneda and the Teachings of Don Juan, if you dare.....hehehe

posted August 16, 2006 01:35 PM         

welcome Dr. Moo.

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posted August 17, 2006 02:09 PM         

It is true. To change something you must be outside its circle, not a part of it. When one transcends a cycle of movement, that cycle no longer affects them. Instead, they affect the cycle.

But isn't spiritual protection of yourself?
Who's spirit?
What spirit?
Your spirit?

I do not like they way immortality is seen as a plateu of invincibility. True, once one transcends the cycle of life/death the movements of that cycle have less power on you so are easier to control, but once you transcend that cycle, which cycle will you be in then? And what forces will be on you then?

I have heard of infinite divisibility (look how many Is there are). Percieved time and space are supposed tobe infinitely divisible. How about splitting the atom? And how long will it be till the split atom will be split again?
Scientists transcended the atom to find themselves in a new playing field with new challenges.

So, I figure, when you transcend you change your frequency making you more susceptible to the new frequencies in your range.

Sometimes I wonder if enlightenment is infinate. I have read of people who dissipate into light (The Knee Of Listening - Teachings of Avatar Adi Da Samraj). What if their level of consciousness was a vibration too great to sustain in material form and so they transcend the state and become on a different level. Could they still be destroyed? Can you destroy light? No, but you can absorb it into nothing.

So on every plane of existence (exist/exits - which exit are you looking for?) are there not your negatives, capable of absorbing you to nothing?

posted August 18, 2006 09:45 AM         

I have no claim to physical immortality and know the minimum on the subject. Perhaps I was premature to ask Randall about the Spiritual protection of an Immortal, when in fact, I`m not even certain I believe physical immortality exists. However, I do have Certainty Spiritual protection exists hence the question to clarify the Immortals protecion versus the Mortals

Would you please elaborate on your statement:

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My point is that death is a force. The force that breaks you and spreads your essence far and wide

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For my clarity, are you saying perception & personal (ultimate) will are the keys to controling death?

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The power is within ultimate perception and ultimate will. Without will we are nothing and without perception, we see nothing and are therefore susceptible to everything.

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thank you,

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posted August 18, 2006 06:44 PM         

Well, this is what I believe. It seems there is little clarification going round when I seem to need it.

Frustration is what haunts me. I have learnt what I believe to be some greatness but my questioning and wishes have been replaced with what I now percieve to be an aggressive kind of statement of personal facts/beliefs.

I feel an urge to confess. I wrongly seek judgement. And a place like this where there are so many healers (I think following this path automaticly grants that title) is an ideal place to perform.

posted August 18, 2006 06:49 PM         

Now imagine you tear it round a dirt track after a rainstorm.

posted August 18, 2006 07:58 PM         

Second post first

I have a porche, I have seen it, touched it and driven it. I now Know I have a porche, yes? I Know because I have experienced it.

Why would I 'perceive' anything about it when I already Know under the mud is a Porche?

How would mud change the Reality of the Porche?

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posted August 18, 2006 08:09 PM         

I perceive you are of the male gender based on the Porche post. Not too many females would use an automobile as an example.

I do not Know you are male. Currently I have no possable way of Knowing so til I do, I perceive.

Perception is faulty at best, especially in this case if you are female

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posted August 19, 2006 01:14 PM         

You have seen the original porche and so remember the original perception and also prefer that perception to the now stained one.

But to have original perception once more you must clean away the excess to reveal the perfection underneath.

Perception is like martial arts. It is not what you need to do, but what you do not need to do. What you don't need rather than what you do.

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So you say perception is not knowledge? Hmm, I see.
Perception begets knowledge?

posted August 19, 2006 02:02 PM         

You 'assumed' I knew what the slang term ment.

Blessings on your journey

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posted August 21, 2006 06:16 PM         

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