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Topic: Analogy from nature
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MAKLHOUF
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posted February 03, 2011 08:58 AM
  
Just as it seems to be a universal code that every soul must taste death in some form, there is also the the code of culling, pruning, weeding etc, ie: removing the dead wood, the old, diseased stock in order that it may be replaced with new vigorous growth.Immortalists have to deal with this reality in some sense as they stirve towards their goal. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 03, 2011 09:52 AM
Dead cells are being replaced with new ones virtually all the time.------------------
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MAKLHOUF
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posted February 04, 2011 12:07 PM
That is of course, true. But do we really EXPERIENCE that?IP: Logged |
emitres
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posted February 04, 2011 12:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by MAKLHOUF:
...there is also the the code of culling, pruning, weeding etc, ie: removing the dead wood, the old, diseased stock in order that it may be replaced with new vigorous growth.Immortalists have to deal with this reality in some sense as they stirve towards their goal.
this assumes that there is, in fact, dis-eased stock or dead wood to remove... when nothing dies or succumbs to dis-ease there is nothing to do but simply be... ------------------
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MAKLHOUF
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posted February 04, 2011 01:13 PM
Yes, but that is not the world in which you are deciding to be immortal. So many people here profess to be in touch with nature, but that is a nature in which the codes I mention are very significant, so there must be a sense in which immortality is profoundly UNnaturalIP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 04, 2011 01:32 PM
Actually, there are several immortal species which evolved to have no death genes, so there's nothing unnatural about it.------------------
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emitres
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posted February 07, 2011 08:48 AM
the world that i choose to live in is partially of my creating and as i am not the same as a goldfish or rosebush there are certain choices which are available to me... being in touch with nature doesn't neccesarily equal being the same as or being bound by the same restrictions... realizing that one has a choice doesn't make it unnatural...
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MAKLHOUF
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posted February 07, 2011 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Actually, there are several immortal species which evolved to have no death genes, so there's nothing unnatural about it.
To be sure if something occurs in nature, then it is natural. I tried to make clear that I am not speaking at a level of genes or cells, which can only be experienced in a laboratory. It seems to me that there have been only two ways that people have combined their desire for immortality with the laws of nature as we commonly perceive them:
1. vampirism
2. the practise of taking over other, younger bodies/ IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted February 07, 2011 02:14 PM
I don't think you understand what I wrote. There are species of animals that do not age and die only from predators (or to a much lesser degree accidents and sickness).------------------
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Randall
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posted February 08, 2011 12:46 PM
It doesn't get much more natural than nature.------------------
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MAKLHOUF
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posted February 09, 2011 09:07 AM
I think I understood you well enough. Presumably even you would not argue that the species you describe are commonplace, therefore, for me they are the exception that proves the rule. However, if they are being weeded out by predation then they are existing according to the laws of nature as we commonly perceive them.Emitres: do you have a garden or a vegetable patch? If so do you care for it according to "immortal principles" or do you remove the dead wood? IP: Logged |
emitres
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posted February 09, 2011 12:02 PM
i did have a flower garden maklhouf and currently a number of indoor plants... am also currently planning a naturalized garden as we just moved to a new house... in all honesty, the only times i had to remove dead wood was with plants that were not suited to the environment or because of over-crowding ( again, my fault )... in fact, there are a number of trees and plants that do much better with zero pruning... but all of this isn't really relevant because, and i hope you agree, the human life form ( force ) is not that of a tree, plant, cat etc etc... we are not limited by the baser Laws that govern the rest of nature... if we have awareness of the "higher" Law we can live within it's parameters... ------------------
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Randall
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posted February 09, 2011 02:56 PM
Yes, a self-aware consciousness makes us creators as opposed to just products of the environment and conditioning. ------------------
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Randall
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posted February 10, 2011 12:14 PM
And regeneration doesn't mean there's no sloughing off of cells. The entire intestinal tract is based on that. ------------------
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