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Randall
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posted July 27, 2001 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Bill would make pennies obsolete

By Larry Copeland, USA TODAY

The lowly penny is under siege again.

Over the howls of penny aficionados, an Arizona congressman introduced a bill this week that would eliminate pennies from daily business transactions.

"Pennies have virtually no value," says Rep. Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz. His "Legal Tender Modernization Act" would not kill the penny, but it would make the coin obsolete. Checks would still be made to the exact amount. But the bill would require merchants to round up or down to the nearest nickel on cash purchases.

Proponents of the penny argue that rounding would create a de facto tax on the poor, who conduct more transactions in cash. Americans for Common Cents, a non-profit group representing mining and coin-manufacturing interests, says merchants would always manage to round up, costing consumers $600 million year.

Mark Weller, the group's executive director, says the bill also would hurt charities that collect millions in donated pennies.

Previous attempts to eliminate pennies died in Congress in 1990 and 1996. Weller and others say polls consistently find that 60%-65% of Americans want to keep the penny.

But Kolbe's bill likely would resonate with many Americans who believe the penny has become a relic. The coins were eliminated at U.S. military bases in Europe in 1980 to cut the expense of transporting them. Officials say complaints stopped after a few months.

Other nations, including France, Spain and Britain, quit producing low-denomination coins in recent decades because production costs kept going up while the coins' purchasing power went down.

Efforts to eliminate pennies are usually over "seigniorage," which is the difference between what it costs to make a coin and the coin's value.

Because so many people hoard pennies rather than keep them in circulation, the mint had to produce 14.3 billion of them last year. Each costs about eight-tenths of a cent to produce. The mint made about $29 million on pennies in 2000, says spokesman Matt Kilbourne.

However, Kolbe says that transporting and distributing the coins pushes the cost of each penny to more than nine-tenths of a cent.

His bill also would allow the federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing to print currency and postage stamps for other nations. So if the mint stops making pennies, it could reap a windfall, he says.

Kolbe's critics contend that his goal is to free up production capacity to make more Sacagawea dollar coins. Kolbe has said he would like to see that coin replace the $1 bill.

The 1-cent coin — the word "penny" comes from British slang for pence — has been around since 1787. It retains a firm place in the nation's psyche and in its lore: "A penny saved is a penny earned." A penny for your thoughts. Pennies from heaven.

Kolbe's office wouldn't assess the bill's chances for passing. "We know that we have a long process ahead of us," spokeswoman Neena Moorjani said Wednesday. Gar Travis of the American Numismatic Association believes the coin's demise is a way off yet. "Americans have a fondness for our coinage," he says. "Whether a congressman makes a proposal or not, that doesn't make it a law."

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little black cat
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posted July 27, 2001 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for little black cat     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, , due to inflation my thoughts now cost a dollar

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posted July 27, 2001 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chronicprincess     Edit/Delete Message
LBC~

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Randall
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posted July 27, 2001 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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It can even eliminate karma." Linda Goodman

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elizawhitworth
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posted July 27, 2001 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for elizawhitworth     Edit/Delete Message
In Australia the lowest denomination is 5cents then 10cents 20cents 50cents 1dollar
2dollars.

notes are

5dollars 10dollars 20dollars 50dollars and 100dollars.

above 5cents they round up below 5cents they round down.


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posted April 09, 2002 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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posted July 14, 2002 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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"He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love." Martin Luther King, Jr.

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posted November 03, 2002 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark

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juniperb
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posted June 12, 2003 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Randall, have you heard any more about the bill?

Who here would vote the penny out? I wouldn`t because the weight of them in the bottom of my purse would make a mugger think twice

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jwhop
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posted June 12, 2003 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Taking pennies out of circulation would cause a de facto price increase for everyone paying in cash. 46 cent items would cost them 50 cents and so on. Trust me, businesses would keep the shelf price of 46 cents for marketing purposes but cash buyers would pay 50 cents at the checkout because businesses would round the price up and not down. Otherwise those paying in cash would gain a price advantage over credit card or check payers. It's the perfect setup for stores to gain a few extra cents on every transaction in cash while appearing to offer the lower shelf price which for cash buyers won't exist.

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Oxychick
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posted June 12, 2003 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oxychick     Edit/Delete Message
LBC-and now due to bloomberg's return and INCREASE of sales tax...your thoughts now cost $1.0862

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juniperb
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posted June 12, 2003 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Makes sense to me Jwhop! I don`t see it happening, do you?

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Harpyr
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posted June 13, 2003 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message
so, could it perhaps also be seen then as an attempt to push more people into paying with plastic instead of cash?

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jwhop
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posted June 14, 2003 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Don't know if it's going to happen or not juniperb but I would be against it and let my elected representives know.

If it happens you will see a move by retailers to price merchandise so that with tax added the total will break just over the even nickel intervals to take advantage of cash buyers.

Banks have been trying for years to do away with cash transactions and of course they love credit cards because they create the credit out of thin air and charge interest on money that never existed.

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