posted August 18, 2007 01:12 AM         

Are you ready to fix it????

posted August 18, 2007 03:02 AM         

Often the fear and scare factor wins because of this. It is easy for us to give up or give in to those thoughts, than to fight back and stand for our own S-Elf.

posted August 18, 2007 07:56 PM         

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Remember, love can conquer the influence of the planets....
It can even eliminate karma." Linda Goodman

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From Linda Goodman’s “Relationship Signs” page 196, Saturn conjunct/square/opposed Pluto:

If only Earthlings would realize the power of love to conquer any kind of misery or unhappiness like a mighty magic wand, it wouldn’t matter whether two people’s birth charts were full of positive or so-called negative aspects because love can conquer the influences of the planets. It can even eliminate karma. Yes, if only humans truly understood this. Well, it’s the Aquarian age of serendipity, so maybe someday soon.

posted August 19, 2007 02:02 PM         

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Yes, Free-will is a reality! More so than we have ever dreamed! Does this make sense?

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No, it doesn't. And the further down the rabbit hole you go, in your attempts to make free will coherent, the more complex and solipsistic your theories will have to become. You will succeed only in reaching new depths of delusion.

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex and more violent.
It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."

- Albert Einstein

If you had free will, you would choose to be in Paradise right now. Period. Any conditions placed around your choice limit your freedom, and consequently direct you down paths which you would not consciously choose (if given the choice).

The ability to take the lesser of two evil paths is not "free will". It is merely the ability to follow the shortest route between two points, and it is the same ability possessed by stones and drops of water, which obey gravity and other immutable laws of nature, before changing form and adhering to another set of laws, equally binding.

"Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect as well as the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper."

- Albert Einstein

These truths are perfectly self-evident, but mankind has some irrational addiction to exaggerating his own importance in the scheme of things, and an inestimable talent for self-deception, allowing him to fashion ever more complicated theories about how this world may actually be a Paradise under the direction of himself, as God. The sooner we abandon these childish fantasies and begin to work with the real world, the sooner we will be able to manifest a real paradise on earth.

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Cappy Ascendant
Saturn in Virgo, 8th house

posted August 19, 2007 02:07 PM         

That's a lovely sentiment, but Unconditional Love, and the ability to transcend the physical world (which is an adjunct of Unconditional Love), falls under the influence of the planet Neptune. Instances of enlightened transcendance are clearly evidenced by that planet, without us having to resort to invisible explainations.

posted August 19, 2007 03:56 PM         

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By our Free-will choices, we dictate which path in this Uni-verse we will travel down based upon those choices. The ultimate outcomes have already happened/are happening in one great cosmic nanosecond within the Eternal Now, but OUR specific outcome in this Uni-verse is decided by the choices we make.
Yes, Virginia, there is Free-will.

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posted August 19, 2007 05:02 PM         

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...they often short-circuit their best-laid plans and good intent (as well as their Free-will choices) by the emotion-charged thoughts that they engage in. There's nothing complicated about that at all.

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Indeed, there's nothing complicated about people's plans, intentions, and choices being short-circuited by the emotionally charged thoughts that arise. It becomes complicated only when you try to imagine how the person could ("freely") be doing this to themselves. Because then you have to imagine that "engaging" in those thoughts is another choice in itself, - and a conscious one; not itself the product of a short-circuit. Now you are in a quagmire of your own ill-fated (il)logic.

The rest of what you said in that post is Greek to me (and I dont mean Greek like Plato, who I have far less trouble deciphering). But good luck with that.

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Using Astrology (or Neptune, specifically) is itself an "invisible explanation," because Astrology has no scientifically verifiable means of influencing anyone or anything.

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Agreed. But we are not discussing influence, which is an activity of relationship. On the contrary, we are discussing the very opposite thing. The quote argues that the transcendant will bears no relationship to the planets (i.e. has transcended the relationship).

((I did say that the activities of unconditional love fall under the "influence" of Neptune. This was a careless error on my part, which I agonized over for about a heartbeat and then let slide. I considered saying "under the heading of Neptune", but I let it go. "Influence", like "cause", is a term I use provisionally. As St. Paul would say, "I speak as a man",. But when I am determined to be more precise with my language, I try to avoid using those words. And when I am more determined still, I abandon the use of words altogether.))

Moreover, I am not suggesting that Neptune "explains" anything, but, that the operations of the transcendant power of unconditional love are "evidenced" by Neptune, as I stated. They are evidenced by Neptune in exactly the same way that they are evidenced by the behaviors which we deem transcendant manifestations of unconditional love. The quote argues that some behaviors exhibited down here on earth (namely, behaviors infused with and motivated by unconditional love) do not correspond to the behaviors of the celestial bodies, and that some explanation must be sought for this inconsistency. But I am arguing that there is no such inconsistency, and, so, no need to postulate an explanation.

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It does so by means that are invisible and unknown by even the most ardent Astrologers.

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I disagree. Not that the means are invisible and unknown, but, that there is such an influence at all. The planets do not influence us, technically. Rather, they correspond to us. "As above, so below". Some of the most careful Astrologers are in agreement on this.

'Zala,

Nobody's shooting anybody, lol. You said you liked the quote, and I agreed that it is lovely. Then I contradicted it. No need to batten the hatches, or whatever; no shots were fired and this is not a declaration of war; just a simple contradiction. I adressed my response to you only because the sentiment I was contradicting was voiced, or, if you prefer, repeated (without qualification) by you. I did, however, pressume that you agreed with the quote. If you choose to be a mouthpiece for ideas you do not agree with, without specifying your dissent, do not be surprised if people pressume that you are in agreement with the ideas you express. So, do you or do you not agree with the quote? I'd sure like to hear your own thoughts on this matter.

posted August 19, 2007 05:44 PM         

Emotions are often the result of conditioned responses and not readily subject to Free-will. Sometimes we engage in destructive thoughts without realizing it--and without seeing the connection such thoughts have in shaping our reality; therefore, the issue of Free-will choice is a moot one.

posted August 19, 2007 05:59 PM         

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You said you liked the quote, and I agreed that it is lovely. Then I contradicted it. No need to batten the hatches, or whatever; no shots were fired and this is not a declaration of war; just a simple contradiction. I adressed my response to you only because the sentiment I was contradicting was voiced, or, if you prefer, repeated (without qualification) by you. I did, however, pressume that you agreed with the quote. If you choose to be a mouthpiece for ideas you do not agree with, without specifying your dissent, do not be surprised if people pressume that you are in agreement with the ideas you express. So, do you or do you not agree with the quote? I'd sure like to hear your own thoughts on this matter.

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posted August 19, 2007 06:23 PM         

Where is my Magic Wand?

Aw, I'll use my Heart, sending unconditional LOve to ALL, everything that exists...Waves of LOve and Magic!

posted August 19, 2007 07:42 PM         

You have struck quite a chord that resonates to some ideas that have been recurring in my thoughts lately.

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If you had free will, you would choose to be in Paradise right now. Period. Any conditions placed around your choice limit your freedom, and consequently direct you down paths which you would not consciously choose (if given the choice).

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The recurring ideas I've been struggling with lately have to do with believing that the world, "as is", is in a perfect state. A bit of Liebnizian optimism, I suppose. For a long time I sided with Voltaire's reaction to this optimism in Candide and the quote "we must cultivate our garden". I've thought surely that only one perspective could be right. Recently, I have been re-thinking this position.

I am beginning to feel that there exists a middle-ground between both perspectives that harmonizes more closely to truth. Is it possible to simultaneously believe that the world is already in a perfect order and still feel the passion and drive necessary to "cultivate our garden"? Often the reaction to the kind of optimism in the former, if accepted, is one that endorses a sense of indolent detachment to the world. Reflectively, if one accepts Voltaire's perspective, many become lost within their cultivation, adhering to strict methodologies and structures that often cloud the purpose behind their works. It is my opinion, now, that whole-heartedly accepting either one or the other to their extremes is a path that will lead to the destructive forces of purposelessness within a chaos unquestioned or an order too rigid.

You make a good point. Given the idea of Free Will, I would choose to be in Paradise right now. Wouldn't that choice, however, be made under the constructs of a wakened consciousness and limited to the partiality within its parameters, segmented from the entire gamut of consciousness? Our very choices and perspectives are limited as well, it would seem, by the psyche-ological conditions of our states of being.

I question whether the idea of Free Will is properly understood. I agree that humanity often exhibits a distorted view of our own place within the Universe, but I feel that it is a distortion of an actual importance and our responsibility to that position should be fully understood and adhered to, not wholly discarded.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this matter. It has inspired me to think deeper upon this theme. I believe in Free Will, although I admit that I do not fully understand its dynamic.

posted August 19, 2007 07:43 PM         

I've seen events coming where I was determined to change the outcome but something always happens and fate steps in.

Couldn't free will be the determination to evolve? (in which case it will show up somewhere in the natal and thus be deemed fated)

food for thought