posted December 10, 2002 11:14 AM         

my vocab and definitions have been accordingly adjusted! Thanks for tolerating and correcting my ignorance

I `spose, then I would be a redneck as I have no fashion sense whatsoever, a strong but educated aussie accent, and live in the far south of Australia (Melbourne) heheheh

Yours in best intentions,

MM

P.S. We too have active bigots (for shame). I will herein refer to them as such....

posted December 10, 2002 03:49 PM           

From what I have seen... it seems a large percentage of pagan men are gay and although there's a large percentage of lesbians they seem to be in smaller numbers. I don't know (well) any pagan women that are openly lesbians. most of them are straight or bisexual. But many of the pagan men I've known are gay.. I'd say about half and half.

Granted this is only based on people I've met! Not scientific by any means.

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posted December 13, 2002 11:08 PM         

In Star Signs she writes of seeing a man with aids on television, and not caring whether he was gay, bi or heterosexual, he just brought her to proud tears with his bravery.

She mentions celebrities that she admired or was friends with, and some of them were gay. She wrote a love poem for a gay couple in "Venus Trines at Midnight".

She poked some mild fun at Anita Bryant in Love Signs, who is infamous for her strident and hugely unsuccessful campaign against homosexuality.

I don't believe that the part in Star Signs about unnatural sexual union referred to homosexuality. From comments she made in Love Signs, she seems to have been strongly opposed to promiscuity, prostitution, pornography, group sex, sexual abuse of children, rape, and any sex that did not have some spiritual basis. Both homosexuals and heterosexuals have been guilty of these acts.

However, it is probable that she didn't envisage the final Twin-Soul incarnation as being between two people of the same gender, because she hinted that part of the Twin Soul quest is to have a child together in the natural way - Isis and Osiris must give birth to Horus. This MIGHT mean that she didn't think homosexuals could become immortals, but I can't say that for sure.

posted December 14, 2002 12:43 PM         

On a somewhat irrelevant(?) note, I remember reading in Star Signs somewhere that a saint (forgot her name) changes from a female to a male and slew a... dragon/monster (??)

This used to fascinate me so much. And I wonder... maybe, just maybe, if a couple is spiritually evolved enough, either one of them can simply change his/her sex and... you know, consummate the twin souls relationship. It sounds a bit crazy, I know, but... surely, homosexuals cannot be "deprived of" something as important as immortality, no?

posted December 14, 2002 01:58 PM         

108: Yes, Linda and I did speak about homosexuality, and our opinions differed on this point.

She was of the opinion that "the rectum is for pooping". Yes, that was a direct quote. I never got the impression that she really approved spiritually of homosexual relationships in general. And we never discussed the option of gay Twin Souls.

I am of the opinion that EVERYTHING exists for a reason, and that NOTHING could exist without the Creator's approval; as a means for experience.

To be 100% honest, I'm not convinced that Soul Mates or Twin Flames actually exist, at least not in the way that most people think.

In some ways I think that if there were a Twin Flame, that they would NOT incarnate together, but rather that one would become in essence the Heavenly Guardian of the other.

In another light I think that we are all ONE. And in that way.. we could ALL be Soul Mates or Twin Selves of each other. We are ALL GOD.

I think that we should spend less time worrying about the ISSUE of soul mates or Twin Selves and rather pay attention to who we are in relationship to every other person, place or thing in our Lives. We are all in the process of creating and re-creating who we are and who we intend to be.

Perhaps the best explanation I have read in this regard is in Book 3 of the Conversations with God Trilogy.

God, through Neal Donald Walsch, tells us that there are "soul partners" all over the world, and that we have more than one "soul partner", which would explain why all of us fall in love with many, many different people through the course of our life.

So, in this way.. is homosexuality ok? YES. Can a homosexual have a "soul partner"? YES.

What disturbs me is that we even have to have such a conversation. We should all be living our own lives and letting others live theirs without judgment or commentary.. because in the end, they are all us! We are all ONE. We are all Reflections of God.

Make any sense?

Peace and Magic...

A

posted December 15, 2002 10:21 PM         

Hmmm.. having read several of the posts here, I'm starting to wonder...

Why do we question the spiritual choices made by Souls that chose to incarnate as homosexuals? Further, why do we question the choices that ANY SOUL makes to do anything?

Jesus once said, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone...". I believe we ALL live in glass houses, that we all have moments when our behavior is slightly less than ideal. If we were perfect, we wouldn't be incarnating on this plane? Would we?

Perhaps the lesson is not whether homosexuals have Twin Selves, or whether homosexuality is "right or wrong" spiritually...

Perhaps the lesson is that NOTHING is wrong, and EVERYTHING is a spiritual process.

I think sometimes we get caught up in the thought process that says I AM a material being that HAS a SOUL. When perhaps the truth is that I AM A SOUL that chose to have a material experience for a while. If that is the case.. then EVERY experience is spiritual, and right and for the soul growth of those involved.

The Bible advises:

7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Just a few thoughts, sorry if I ramble.

Peace and blessings...

A

posted December 15, 2002 11:36 PM         

Being gay myself, I've found the discussion here helpful, and has certainly led to more "spiraling" on my part.