posted November 11, 2002 11:18 PM         

People, including myself always seem to mystify me.....Most of the time I feel dis-connected from people because what seems to be important or pressing to them is so far away from what should really matter (also why we daydream so much, to try and escape this silly reality..)and..I'm a loner for exactly that reason....(people tend to frustrate me, although I truly understand on a karmic level..)I try to remember that as physical beings we are here to learn and to evolve - and so we have to be patient with ourselves and others on this crazy journey.....Pisces are deeply spiritual and have the ablity to be in this world, but not of it ( see, that's where the frustration is-perhaps us seeing to well the beuty that could be)....I understand that pisces is one of the hardest incarnations to master, I think because we have a great responsiblity to inspire, and try to pass on some deeper spiritual knowledge....I once read somewhere that pisces are spiritually evoled thousands of years ahead of most of "this" world and so again the frustration....For me it's sometimes wanting to hit people on the head to wake them up, but I can't walk around doing that - and besides it's not nice!! and so you have to be understanding of others on their journey, and respect whatever feelings or beleifs they have - and have faith that they will one day be wake-up..(as I am always trying to become a better person I have faith that others will do the same) Pisces is super sensitive - and a sponge for vibes, and so sometimes when you feel like you are going to explode - or don't know how to handle all these crazy feeling or emotions - they may not even be yours!!!! It's taken me years to understand when it's my vibe or the other persons that's getting all freaky - is this making sense to you?
Anyways, life should be simple - and it is so beutiful, but I think it is so easy to get distracted by this crazy society..(I mean we're not walking 6 miles to market, or growing our own rice...) anyways, I don't know if this helped you at all - cause most of the time I'm a just a confused, insecure fish......BLEZZINGs

posted November 13, 2002 01:51 PM         

And then we prepare ourselves for the next existence...whatever that may be.

posted November 13, 2002 06:15 PM         

I still haven't mastered trying to figure out whether I'm feeling my own emotions or the emotions of the people around me.

I am usually completely mystified by other people.

What is the attraction with gossip and hurting people's feelings?

Why do so many people feel that the way they think is the only way to think and anyone who thinks or does anything different is stupid?

Why do people like to backstab? It's not only that they just do it -- some people go out of their way to do it. They actually enjoy it.

Let's not even discuss the obsessions with time and money.

Why can some people never just sit still and be quiet? Always have to have the stereo blasting and be out and about and be the center of attention. Lights flashing horns blaring.. (And, then call you pathetic for choosing to stay home on a weekend).

I find that as I am getting older I am becoming less and less able to deal with the "nonsense". I am in my mid 30s now and you people should just grow up and cut out the stupid crap already (I can be a crabby fish sometimes ). No really, in all seriousness. I think I had a better "handle" on the world when I was a teen and in my early 20s, the older I get the more torn and mystified I feel. It's like I'm regressing or something.

I do have a question for you other fishies...Is it just me or do you get very uneasy, or even ill, in crowds. Especially if it's noisy.. Bars and clubs are the 6th ring of hell for me. I do my Christmas shopping in a combo of on-line and in the Summer.

On the other hand -- most people are completely mystified by me

posted November 13, 2002 09:09 PM           

I guess I have a bit of a grudge against the Picses sign because one of my ex coworkers back in NYC at Random House was a Picses and totally a backstabbing, gossping, insecure person and I didn't understand that mentality.

I must remind myself there are excellent Picses out there!! Like on this board.. and my butterchunk son!

posted November 13, 2002 11:56 PM           

shamrock -
Yeah - same problem here re: lack of understanding. (Cue Pisces Pity Party Music.)
Even the little things that I find important or awe inspiring don't seem to phase most others. Like this: when I was living on campus @ JMU (situated in the Shenandoah Valley), I went to some orientation thing w/ my new (Cappie) roommate. The building that it was in was on top of a hill facing westward; it was the evening, and when I got to the doors I turned around, and saw the most spectacular sunset ever. I just stood there blasted away by it, I couldn't manage to do anything else. My roomie, already through the doors, turned back around and said, "Hey Cor - you comin'?"
"What? Oh, yeah, yeah - I'll be there in a sec. Look at this, I mean - wow. Oh, wow."
She looked.
"Yeah. It's a sunset. Come on."
"Can you save my seat? This is just..." (I sat down - I actually couldn't stand anymore. Yeah. That's me.)
"Umm, Ohhkay..."
I think that that's when she decided that I was irreparably weird (a conclusion that most people that know me form, and voice, w/i a few months; that's cool, though - I've come to take it as a badge of honor ).
But, you know, that 10 minutes of watching the mountains and clouds seem to shift with the changing colors completely refreshed and fulfilled me.
As far as crowds go: sometimes I actually seek them out. For me, there's few things better then really crowded movie theatre. You can feel, almost absorb, the reactions of all the people around you. That's the only way I can get a horror movie to scare me. If I watch them alone, I'm bored. And I've noticed that I can have completely different impressions of movies according to who I'm watching it with. No, really - I'll do stuff like watch a movie with a guy that hates it and, before discussing it, dislike it, too; and then watch it with another person that likes it, and (once again, b/f discussion) find that I have a new-found appreciation for it.
I'll go to live music clubs. I guess I like picking-up on the reactions of others to the performance.
The whole emotion absorption thing can be a pain, though, and on my more sensitive days it's just a bit too much. And as a general rule I steer clear of bars (I usu. don't want to feel whatever's going on there) and rave spots, etc (ie. "Nations") and/or house parties for about the same reason.
My sis, my step sis, and, hell, most of the other people my age wouldn't rather do anything than that, but when they ask me why I don't want to go, all I can say is, "It's just not fun to me." Sometimes I wish it were, but it isn't.

Sher bear -
The thing that I've noticed w/ myself is that I've got to be pretty selective with my friends. Acquaintances, sure, I can interact w/ a million people a day on a superficial level b/c I can put up enough of a buffer (well, usually) for their stuff to have only a transient effect on me; but "friends", well - I take on more of their stuff then I'd like, so I've got to stay careful.

Another general question: Do ya'll find yourselves unconsiouly and completely inadvertantly "mirroring" the mannerisms and speech patterns of those around you? I do, and it's frustrating as all hell. It takes tremendous effort not to do so.
I also pick-up the style of whatever author I'm reading (again, completely against my will), so watch for proxieme-come-Tolkien to be posting here (although I promise to try to tamp it down - he gets kinda flowery sometimes).

Amber -
Oh, well - you must be a wonderfully evolved Aries like Linda
I laugh b/c I hate the idea of pinning people to some sort of idea of spiritual evolution. I think people of all Sun Signs probably make the same obs, but fish are the worst at not letting it get to them.
It makes me feel better to know that a great Aries such as yourself sees the same thing, though.
But, yeah, I have noticed some Pisces, prolly all to some extent - if for no other reason then that reality can be so messy sometimes - have a tendency to "stretch the truth". W/ some it's almost benevolent and benign, w/ others it does take on that gossipy, backstaby flavor.
And I don't think that I've ever met a Pisces that wasn't at least just a little bit insecure, but I think it's just b/c we try to find security in a world that so obviously and continually impacts us and tosses us around a bit (b/c, again, we let it - and it's not always an unpleasant thing) instead of finding our center and base in ourselves and whatever understanding of spirituality that we have. It is hard, though, to know just where you stand when you see 50 mil sides to each situation - it's a bit like walking through life looking through a kaleidoscope. And then (pity party music again) we have the emotional equivalent to open sores - every little gust and blast gets to us (of course, many of us see one of those sores closing up and begin to dig at it again - b/c, I guess, we figure, maybe w/o quite realizing it, that renewing and wallowing in some silly extreme feeling is better then forgetting it; we're so goofy sometimes).

But, wow - I've run at the keyboard. I've been writing for a ridiculous amt of time and didn't even notice it pass. Back to, I dunno, stuff.

posted November 14, 2002 09:38 AM         

The funny thing though....Pisces is without a doubt in my mind the strongest and most capable sign in the Zodiac.

Lets see Scorpio deal with everything all at once with their protective shields removed. Lets see Taurus & Leo cope with learning to lose gracefully & still love those who were victorious over you. We understand ...we nourish..because we have nothing left to prove...just to understand everything we have experienced in all those lives we have gone through.

Tired? When I compare my world to others it can seem daunting and I could allow myself to feel weary. But then I consider how close I am to a new experience, if only by understanding all that exists in this world.

We have the "ultimate perspective" in my eyes. We KNOW what truly matters...why would you want to take insignificant feelings and petty thoughts into the next existence?

When you think of what we are actually trying to achieve, of course we can feel insecure and tired. But I choose to feel elated at how far I have come along this Karmic journey...and excited by what awaits.

posted November 14, 2002 12:37 PM           

I'll clarify something that I said, though:
When I said 'tired', I didn't mean tired as in, "Oh gersh, I've got to go and do such-and-such and I just don't have the energy,", I just couldn't think of a better word. I think I just meant that, as opposed to say an Aries cousin of mine, I have a really difficult time getting excited about stuff. Passionate, yes - I'll get passionate over causes, human suffering, etc. all day long - but excited? No.
Say a classmate of mine is all worked up over some new gov't reform; I then try to feel the same excitement, but I think and/or say, "Well, yeah - but then this'll happen, and then this'll happen, and then this and this and that'll happen."
"Why do you think that?"
"That's just the way it works."
That's what I meant by an intellectual understanding of human behavior: it seems Pisceans (and I say this b/c a few others that I know have evinced the same thing) have an ability to "just know" what people're going to do. We can predict reactions many steps ahead, and even know the emotions & sentiments underlying them & why they have those, I just can't...what's the phrase?...I still just don't understand the actual "why" of having a particular reaction to an emotion - but that's probably the Aquarian influences in me trying to reason out the unreasonable (and I don't mean 'unreasonable' as in "Bad, bad you! Banish those unreasonable feelings!" but as an acknowledgement that emotions are quite often completely seperated from reasoning).

But, yeah - I understand your point. Your point actually makes me feel all warm'n'fuzzy.

posted November 14, 2002 02:00 PM         

I do sympathise with all you have said...and more importantly..understand.

Maybe my Scorpio Moon and Ascendant just force me to face it head on and DEFINE what I feel and experience.

Maybe....

We should just take care of each other..at least we are on the same page (quite literally here).

posted November 18, 2002 07:31 PM         

I get what all of you are saying. As far as not knowing if it's our own feelings or that we pick up on the feelings of those around us..I thinkit's a combination of both.

You will read in several threads how I always speak of feeling as if I'm on the outside looking in...I feel it all the time...it almost feel like..or at least sometimes I wonder..If I "get it" any everyone else doesn't or if I don't "Get it" and everyone else does....people get all up in arms about the silliest things where there are larger..more global problems to really be worried about.

I find most people to be utterly selfish. I sometimes wish that others could see things the way that I do. I think the world would be a better place if it had more sensitive people in it....more "picean" type people.

The thing with us "pices" is that we are idealists....we constantly feel let down by people in general...though we are not one to blame our problems on others...it's more that we feel let down by their character...or lack thereof.

posted November 19, 2002 08:14 AM           

financechic-
we constantly feel let down by people in general...though we are not one to blame our problems on others...it's more that we feel let down by their character

I was actually thinking almost the exact same thing yesterday. I know this is the coward's way, but recently I've really noticed myself distancing my emotions from people - I'm just sick of being hurt (& then, of course, there's always the possibility that I hurt someone else).
Most of my interactions for the past couple months have been cursory and acquaintance-ish, and when people ask me if I'm "dating again" I hem and haw around the subject, because the truth is that I have absolutely no desire to get back into that.
Eh, done b*tching now.

posted November 19, 2002 08:53 PM           

As far as "just knowing": We all probably have those funny instances of knowing that Mom or so and so is calling or wants us to call or some such stuff, but do ya'll also "just know" random, odd things, too?
I get that all the time, and I'd sure like to know if I share it w/ others w/ strongish Neptunian influences.
Three examples:
*When in the first days of my basic training (the day after my incoming company was smoked ad nauseum...no, really...many puked), we were sent to do tasks around batallion grounds in little groups. My batallion had a policy of having privates say something like, "Truth and Honor, Sir!" when saluting an officer, w/ the officer replying w/ something like, "Valor Forever!" when returning the salute. We, being brand-spankin' new, had not been told this. My group, however, had our new CO come by and just look at us while we were pulling weeds.
"Privates! What are you supposed to say to an officer?!?"
Complete, dumbfounded silence.
"Privates! Do not make me call over one of your Drill Sergeants!"
Then, inexplicably, I popped out w/ the requisite phrase, "Truth and Honor, Sir!"
Three others spouted, "Truth and Honor, Sir!"
"Valor Forever, Privates. Carry on."
One of my bbs, "How'd you know that?"
"Um, I, I don't know."
*I was in a class that had been split up into groups; we had read a book on the Kairiru movement in Africa, and we had been asked to think up likely lines of outcome using the given information. Everyone hemmed around, half hearted, and then there was almost this buzzing in the front of my head, and I got restless. I blocked everyone else out and began to write.
When it came to the point when my group had to present its conclusions, I read out mine. My professor began to give me a really queer look half way through. At the end, her mouth was almost hung open.
"Well, um, Corri, that's...that's exactly, actually, what happened. There's more details, of course...but that's what happened."
*In another class, a professor drew a circle up on the board on the first day of class. He then said, "If a man comes in and sits here," he drew a dot on one side of the circle,"and then a woman comes in the room, where would she then, most likely, sit? Anyone?...No one?"
I raised my hand.
"Yes. You."
"She would sit directly opposite."
"Why, yes, that's right. What if then a man came in and wanted to sit down - where would he sit?"
"Not, not...directly beside the first man, but one seat over."
"Hm. Yes. That's right. What do you think the table will look like when it's full, given the same pattern of people coming in?"
"It...it would be half one side female, the other half male."
"Hm. Yes." He looked annoyed and so moved on.

posted November 25, 2002 07:49 PM         

It happens to me all the time..I pick up on negativity though.

Pices rising, Pices Moon, Pices Jupiter all in the first house triple whammy.

posted November 25, 2002 10:46 PM         

I find it frustrating though, because often times it isnt enough for me to be able to rationalize, I still feel pulled down. If I smile or do something, anything (putting myself "out there" is how it feels) and get a negative responce, I literally feel my heart drop. (over the SILLIEST things)

I do have uncanny moments. I do not usually focus too much on the details of things though. Generally, I cant even begin to explain when or why I know something. I get general feelings for things, and I am sure I am right. This makes no sense to my gemini husband, and, I say "trust me" It is tough for him. But to me I think Its never failed me once, and I dont even question it or analyze it (it is even tough, what Im doing now,-- it is difficult for me to think how to say this... Words dont seem to capture it.

posted December 03, 2002 12:59 PM           

" mimick gestures and accents...not on purpose...not to mock...it's just the way it happens."

Yep That's exactly it, the horrible part being that sometimes people do think that I'm (we're) mocking them, when I'm actually trying...really hard...to stop.

"It's just silly - like when I'm at work and I look at the phone cauz it's going to ring (and knowing who it is). Often I'll "feel" one of my freinds and then say to myself "Hm, looks like so and so is going to drop by - and of course they do."

Yeah, that's annoying fer me, too. It used to just happen with my Mom or Grandma, but it's extending a bit, I think.

I'm reading _The Inner Sky_ by Steven Forrest right now - it has a fantastic explanation of Piscean energy (well, in my opinion at least).

posted December 05, 2002 07:53 PM           

But how much do you think we must? I mean, we can't be effective in any way if we don't deal with the real world and material life to some extent. It may not be our preferred frame of mind, and life may be a dream - in our minds, a collective creation - but it's still what we must interact with right now, right?

It's my view (which is admittedly uninformed and relatively inexperienced) that as much as we would like to deal soley with the former, we chose to be here, to deal with the latter, that which currently surrounds us.
Sometimes I've forgotten that - sometimes it's been painful to remember, but it's been necessary to do so.