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N_wEvil
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posted February 02, 2003 07:05 PM
Welllll...Basically my uni course finishes in June and I cant afford to do another year to get my BA, so im fairly screwed. My question is simple: Is it THAT hard for foreigners to get jobs in the US without a degree (the qualification I'm finishing with is a Higher National Diploma, or about 2/3 of a degree.) IP: Logged |
Oxychick
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From: neither here nor there
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted February 02, 2003 07:58 PM
Does your school have a work study program? Or some sort of financial aid equivalent program? There are always ways... IP: Logged |
theFajita
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From: Boca Raton, FL USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted February 02, 2003 09:07 PM
Yes don't give up..there has to be ways..maybe you could go part time could you afford that? I know it's painfully slow but you have come so far!? could you transfer to a cheaper school???A class at the community college costs me $155 for 3 credits is it much more at the university?? ------------------
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N_wEvil
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posted February 02, 2003 09:50 PM
over here most unis are still state funded.Based on your parents (or spouses') income, you get a student loan from the "student loans company" of between £2,600 and £3,800 per year. You also have to contribute to university fees which range from £0 to £1,200 depending again, on your immediate units' income. Unfortunately, while my entire family doesnt seem to have two pennies to rub together we have to pay the whole tuition. Now, while it might seem to be pretty easy on the surface, there are cons: 1) Its a LOAN - you have to pay it back the second you earn over £10,000 per annum, at a fixed rate. You get charged interest on the total amount you borrow which is pretty low - but its still interest. 2) Rents in England are astronomical, as are basic living costs in general. 3) My particular course requires you to have a pretty meaty computer to be able to do the work So im really fairly buggered on all three counts. Part timers dont get the loan, I beleive. Essentially the situation in the UK is they're trying to make out we get an easy ride but at the end of the day, they just dont lend you enough to live on - my student loan and bank overdraft wouldnt even cover my rent and tuition fees, let alone the minor but irritating fact I have to have somewhere to sleep  IP: Logged |
Oxychick
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From: neither here nor there
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted February 02, 2003 09:56 PM
I still just think that the school would not be so easy to just let someone drop out b/c of finances. I worked during my last 2 1/2 years of college, and I'm still swimming in student loans... Talk to someone at the school. You know the ol' corny saying-where there's a will there's a way. On another note, I saw "About a Boy" today and my friend and I were loving the whole "buggered" thing (her boyfriend is teaching in England for a year) ....hehe you Brits! IP: Logged |
theFajita
Knowflake Posts: 2007
From: Boca Raton, FL USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted February 03, 2003 01:05 AM
Heehee it's a bugger not a booger  Oh NewEvil we have to think of something! I bet if you bartended you could make so much money that it would help you through, also then you could drink for free Maybe you should let that girl with the gold teeth be a roomate it would be more cash ------------------
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theFajita
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From: Boca Raton, FL USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted February 03, 2003 01:07 AM
And tomorrow I'll ask my at my job if a degree is all that important. Some places it is, but other places I think it's if you know the right people. WHat state were you planning to move to, do you know? ------------------
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N_wEvil
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posted February 03, 2003 07:19 AM
wherever, 3D animation is rather nomadic, you basically move to where the job is so it might wind up being anywhere.And as for bartending - I took a gap year after I finished secondary school and worked 60 hours/week down a bar, and there's NO WAY i'm ever doing that again, living in a cardboard box IS preferable. Meh..i've got about 14-16 weeks to get all my showreel together then ill have to start jobhunting. I guess it wont matter too much after i get a few years of industry experience anyway IP: Logged |
Oxychick
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Registered: Jul 2002
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posted February 03, 2003 07:50 AM
You don't *have* to work 60 hours/week. I honestly don;t even know the first thing about coming here from another country. Wouldn't you hav to apply for a Visa? If you're not a citizen, then wouldn't your job have to sponsor you? I used to know someone who went to my school as a full-time student, but was from Italy. I'm not sure how that works. I'll ask around today. IP: Logged |
Carlo
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From: Second America
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted February 03, 2003 10:31 AM
Oxy, why don't you help a brother out...marry the kid  IP: Logged |
Oxychick
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Registered: Jul 2002
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posted February 03, 2003 12:07 PM
Geez, Carlo! I nearly spit out my coffee just now! And I'm trying desperately to control my laughter at work. No offense, NewEvil. Er, ok, I'll shut up now.Thanks A LOT, Carlo! NewEvil, why don;t you marry the girl (the OTHER Aquarian girl that is)? IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted February 03, 2003 01:06 PM
oh its OK, gave me a good giggle too Well, baing venus in Cappy i tend to think along those terms but to be honest you need to be dating someone for a number of years - if you get married it should be for life, really. Anyway, I should be able to get in on my own merit - otherwise im just freeloading, more or less. *opens up graphics folder* - gah, what a mess..... IP: Logged |
Oxychick
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Registered: Jul 2002
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posted February 03, 2003 01:30 PM
(I'm Venus in Cappy too and I pretty much agree)IP: Logged |
theFajita
Knowflake Posts: 2007
From: Boca Raton, FL USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted February 03, 2003 10:49 PM
You guys are too funny LOL------------------
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Orange Blossom
Knowflake Posts: 64
From: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted February 06, 2003 05:40 PM
Hello there N-wEvil, my fellow 
Just a note to say I really emapathise with your situation ( I got thrown out of University in my third year), but it wasn't due to £.
It sounds like your course is really practical- I am right in saying its 3D animation? It sounds really interesting, & you've passed 2/3 already?- That's brilliant. I don't know anything about that sort of job market, but surely if you impress with your portfolio you'll get a job easy. Is that what you want though, to get a job now? Because if you want to finish your degree I agree with the other post that where there is a will there's a way. And what you want to do is really important, even if at first glance it seems impossible. Which Uni do you study at? Don't they have hardship funds? I agree that rent prices are extortionate in our money hungry 'labour' run country. Me & my Capricorn Wizard got a summons to court today from the bloody Council Tax people- oh well! By the way my Venus is in Pisces- I think that adds to my procrastinating nature- I should be doing work right now for my counselling diploma. Anyway, my thoughts are with you dear
N-wEvil & I wish you all the best & I hope very much that you get to do exactly what you want. Have you read The Alchemist, in that book it says (I can't find the proper quote), but approximately it says that when you really want something with all your heart, then all the universe conspires to help you get it.
Millions of love & a big hug
Orange Blossom xxxx
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jjjax
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posted February 06, 2003 06:08 PM
N_wEvil, Sounds like quite a kafuffle!  (I think this is only an Aussie word... so i appoligise, but its just the perfect word here!... and its funny sounding too,  hehe).I just finished my final year at university. I do a bit of 3d animation in my degree too. Its tough, and its deffinately a strugle putting yourself through uni. My course involved photography and digital imaging, and the amount of materials i had to buy was endless!!! I have heard that they might be introducing something in the UK that is similar to down here. Is HECS (higher education contrubution scheme) im not sure if this is the loan you are talking about??? You can either pay for your classes or defer them... they then turn into a hecs debt which you can begin to pay off when you get full time work (they take out a percentage out of your pay). Another thing that helped me to get through uni was Youth Allowence, and im not sure if you have anything similar over there, once you are pronounced independant from your family, be it that you dont live at home, or you earn enough to be classified as independant you are entitled to payments from the government. Maybe they have something similar where you are. To get through uni i had Hecs, Youth allowence and i worked weekends and nights. If it really cant be done, perhaps you could defer for a year, work and save up money so you can go back and complete your final year? If you are thinking of moving overseas check out some web sites for overseas universities online to see if you are eligible for academic credit, we always have foreign students were i studied doing parts of their degree. Or perhaps you can find a workplace that will pay for you to complete your degree, ive heard of it happening... some places will actually pay for your training. There are so many options... dont give up N_wEvil!!!  Jax  IP: Logged |
pearly
Knowflake Posts: 555
From: Neptune, Milky Way, Universe
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted February 06, 2003 09:26 PM
Hi NwEvil  Can't really contribute much except my encouragement to you to Follow Your Dreams! If you are great at what you do, real world experience will go VERY far in a creative field. Anyway, I'm not too sure what exactly you plan to do with the 3D animation, but I have one link for you (it is more on the creative entertainment side of things)... maybe it is of interest to you
http://www.pixar.com/companyinfo/jobs/index.html
Take care!
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