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jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, Florida
Registered: Aug 2001

posted July 08, 2003 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, our politicians are just going to love this
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/06/government.google.ap/index.html
http://opengov.media.mit.edu/

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N_wEvil
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posted July 08, 2003 11:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message
whats the bet it'll suffer a mysterious lack of funding?

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jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, Florida
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posted July 08, 2003 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, probably wouldn't be wise to ask for federal budget funding or federal grants to run the site. It's a delicious reversal of roles since Congress is considering the TIA project, (Total Information Awareness)

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LoonyFish
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Posts: 241
From: magical, mystical mountains of TN
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posted July 08, 2003 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoonyFish     Edit/Delete Message
OK, jwhop, you got me.
I don't usually comment on anything remotely political but...

"submitted by users"? "rated by users"? "allow members of government to participate in the process"?

Sorry, sounds like the perfect dis-information set-up to me!

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jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, Florida
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posted July 08, 2003 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm LoonyFish

This is not a government website.

This information doesn't seem to be copywrite protected so here's some answers to frequently asked questions about the site---which is just getting cranked up at this point in time.


Frequently Asked Questions



What is the Government Information Awareness Program?

Government Information Awareness (GIA) is a research effort by the Computing Culture group of the MIT Media Lab. It aims to provide software and data to help citizens understand the complexities of their government. We were motivated by the Defense Advance Research Program Administration (DARPA) program, Total Information Awareness, which seeks to gather, consolidate, and analyze information about Americans and foreigners. We see such research as possibly helpful, and probably dangerous to the democratic process.
The premise of GIA is that individual citizens have the right to know details about government, while government has the power to know details about citizens. Our goal is develop a technology which empowers citizens to form a sort of intelligence agency; gathering, sorting, and acting on information they gather about the government. Only by employing such technologies can we hope to have a government "by the people, and for the people."
The system presents itself to users as a Web site, but is actually a suite of information technologies that actively peruse data, accept contributions, and post alerts about government. The system will accommodate information of almost any type, allowing users to sort through volumes of information which would otherwise be unusable. More importantly, the system allows for people to submit any information, while retaining anonymity, but while also being identified as a consistent source.
For instance, say a scandal breaks, but the politician in question is later exonerated because of a specific fact. Users can poll the system to see if that fact was logged, and find out who contributed that fact, and when they did, without knowing their real name. They can then rank the credibility of that contributor, and ask the system to notify them if he or she makes further contributions in the future. Thus, they can learn whether they trust or mistrust a contributor, while the contributor still retains anonymity.
A further feature of the site is that any subject of a submission -- whether individual, agency, or organization -- is notified of the submission, and asked to respond. They can confirm or deny the submission. It's important to note that, like an FBI file, submissions are not purged when denied — the stakes are simply too high to do so. As with such files, subjects of spurious submissions who are nonetheless innocent have nothing to fear from GIA.

Who is working on it?

Open Government Information Awareness was designed and implemented by Ryan McKinley, a researcher at the MIT Media Lab, working in the Computing Culture group. Our research unit is aimed at providing technologies that derive from values and motivations different than those usually held by technologists.
We actively solicit programmers, political activists from all denominations, lawyers, and others who are interested in supporting OpenGIA. From subroutines to facts to coffee, we can use any assistance possible. If you are serious about helping us develop this site, please contact contribute@opengov.us.



What is GIA's affiliation with CSPAN?

We are proud viewers of CSPAN. We laud the cable industry for providing this remarkable service to the country, and have watched innumerable microphones, podiums, and pitchers of water while developing GIA. We are happy to add value to this remarkable resource.


Is this legal?

It should be.


What is GIA's relationship to TIA?

We are grateful that the world of military-funded science offers constant initiatives to refute. That a government with countless details about its constituents will serve them better is a theory that's oft been proven wrong, while the theory that a country should have access to details about its governors is one that this country was built on, and is incontestably solid. TIA receives hundreds of millions of dollars a year, and will thus probably succeed in some sense. GIA cost a hundredth of a hundredth of that, and may well succeed because of the intelligence of the American people.
http://opengov.media.mit.edu/GIA/FAQ.html

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hrj777
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From: Anywhere, nowhere ...
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posted July 08, 2003 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hrj777     Edit/Delete Message
It sounds like a great idea to me, but it also sounds too good to be true. Who is "really" monitoring this site and what benefit would they gain by watching people who are trying to access documents on this site?

Just food for thought.

Heidi (My Scorpio moon makes me suspicious of everything ... sorry.)

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jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, Florida
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posted July 08, 2003 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
The site is being put up and run by the computing group at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. It's antigovernment and a backlash to the government's recent decision to monitor citizens.

Suspicion isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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