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SunChild
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posted February 17, 2005 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
An article I found about the affects of Hard Rock music on Mice

I feel sorry for the mice though , but the message is loud and clear.

David Merrell, a high school student from Suffolk, Virginia, has won top honors in regional and state science fairs for his experiment involving mice, a maze and hard-rock music.

After establishing a baseline of about 10 minutes for the mice to navigate the maze, David started playing music 10 hours a day, then put the mice through the maze three times a week for three weeks.

His findings: the control-group mice, which did not listen to any music, were able to cut five minutes off their time; the mice that listened to classical music cut 8.5 minutes off their time; and the mice that listened to hard-rock music took 20 minutes longer to navigate the maze.

David said, "I had to cut my project short because all the hard-rock mice killed each other … None of the classical mice did that at all."

Source: Washington Times, 2 July 1997.

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posted February 17, 2005 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgotaurustaurus     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting! I spent 4 years in the local hardcore/metal scene, going to shows every weekend for that duration. I can't say I've killed anyone though hahaha! It does make me wonder if the affect it had on the time duration for the mice, carries over to humans. There's been plenty of documents about how good classical music is for the brain, and my physics teacher used to play classical music for us when we were test taking or doing labs which was very nice

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posted February 17, 2005 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message
Well this is just great. I like hard rock. And I can't stand classical music. Bleh. I'm just going to tell myself that it was something in the mice' water.

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posted February 17, 2005 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgotaurustaurus     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe hard rock music just makes the flesh tastier...mwhaha!

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posted February 17, 2005 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
only one way to find out, my heathens.......

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posted February 17, 2005 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message

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posted February 17, 2005 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BloodRedMoon     Edit/Delete Message
mmmmmmmmm Rammstein *drools*

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posted February 17, 2005 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Everlong     Edit/Delete Message
I dunno, I think that's sort of silly. The only thing that I can see that would be bad about hard-rock music would be that it's very loud, so it could damage one's ears. HEY. Maybe that's why the mice took so long! Since your vestibular sense is in your ears, maybe all of the music damaged it. You know, gave them mice-vertigo.

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posted February 17, 2005 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Irish Eyes     Edit/Delete Message
You guys slay me!

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posted February 17, 2005 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
I dunno- since heavy metal became more and more popular, and since 1950, teenage suicide rate has gone up 300%.
Since alot of us live in myth, even my younger brother thinks he's one of the blink182 guys, and lives in his world. I've even seen his friends try to hurt himself because a metallica song told him to feel sorry for himself.
I could be wrong, but I feel heavy metal has effects on a psychological level on humans, and I feel it's one of many links toward depression.

A Psychiatrist wrote the following about the addictiveness of rock music;

“One of the most powerful releases of the fight-or-flight adrenaline high is music which is discordant in its beat or chords. Good music follows exact mathematical rules, which cause the mind to feel comforted, encouraged, and ‘safe.’ Musicians have found that when they go against these rules, the listener experiences an addicting high.

Like unscrupulous ‘diet’ doctors who addicted their clients to amphetamines to ensure their continued dependence, musicians know that discordant music sells and sells. As in all addictions, victims become tolerant. The same music that once created a pleasant tingle of excitement no longer satisfies. The music must become more jarring, louder, and more discordant. One starts with soft rock, then rock ‘n’ roll, then on up to heavy metal music.”

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posted February 17, 2005 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgotaurustaurus     Edit/Delete Message
Um...sounds like the psychiatrist might need to analyze him or herself , as after 4 years of metal, I can still find intense pleasure in listening to much quieter music (I have a bunch of CDs of artists who do quiet, instrumental stuff that I swear can make anyone else fall asleep but I rather stay awake to listen )

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posted February 17, 2005 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Everlong     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm- I dunno, it just seems a bit scape-goatish to me. I don't really think it's music that's the problem, you know?

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posted February 18, 2005 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tracysalome     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe it has to do with the "mars drumbeat music" that linda talked about in her color diet chapter, mixed with some of those lyrics. Look at rap music for instance. I had thought about this when listening to that new eminem song "toy soldiers". Drum beats do have a relavance with violence in an instinctual way.

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posted February 18, 2005 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for bringing that up Tracy.

Drum beats, for instance if heard repeteadly, and that the beat is that of the heart, it can, and will bring you to the alpha level of consciousness.
And different beats can change to quite a few different levels of consciousness.

Im not saying it's bad if you listen to heavy rock, the opinions of others is what I'm interested in.

Linda touched on it at the end of Gooberz, regarding base guitars being un-appropriate in relevence to the natural harmonics of Love.

"and would also be wise
to remove from particular Catholic Altars, in some churches
the Bob Dylan-Judy Collins-John Baez type of "entertainment"
featuring electric guitars and folk music
in an effort to attract "New Age Youth"

not that there is anything wrong with these people
or their music
and it may, indeed, be appropriate for Protestant churches
but it does not belong on the Catholic altar
and is not harmonious with the magnetic ancient rituals
of chanted Latin..insense.. and candles"
pg. 1050

That is all, just purely questioning what is in actual harmony of certain types of things.

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posted February 18, 2005 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tracysalome     Edit/Delete Message
I never finished reading gooberz, I gave it away to my uncle's wife after his suicide, but i have ordered it and it is on the way. so i am looking forward very much. But what about drum-beats and violence..could rap music be sending this message sub-conciously? added also the violent messages? Look at the marching soldiers.. thats why that song reminded me..

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posted February 18, 2005 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_apples     Edit/Delete Message
I personally dont believe teenage suicide has gone up because of Rock Music. I think its because more is expected out of teenagers nowdays. These teens now days are expected to do exceptional in school, hold a job after school, participate in after school activities, and have a social life. When teenagers dont do all this, there are a lot of parents who will ride their kids behinds. Its really sad.

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posted February 18, 2005 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Tracy,
I'm not sure about rap music- I actually have a book you may be interested in, it's a small book, but it's part of a series in hypnosis.
That may have your answer.
Its a real psychology book, and is not written by some nutter. This guy is very level headed, and has written about his 32 years of his life work.
Hypnosis is implemented in so many aspects of society.
I'll send to your email if you like.

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posted February 18, 2005 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tracysalome     Edit/Delete Message
Is this an e-book? what is the title?

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posted February 18, 2005 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
The battle for your mind

I had it downloaded, but here it is, freely available: http://www.ctyme.com/bwash/bwash.htm

Pay particular attention to:
Extra Low Frequency
and the Neurophone.

My partner read this, and confirmed it's authenticity. As he has been attending many 'sales' seminars, he knows how these techniques are implememnted, and how effective they truly are.
Also spending much time in Military intellegence, he can also confirm that this is common knowledge with the advertising gurus, and members of the government.

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posted February 19, 2005 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Everlong     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, I just finished reading it. Scary stuff. Makes me want to ban television in my house when I have kids O_O.

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posted February 19, 2005 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
But you know, once your aware of it, you'll less likely be impressioned by it.

I know alot of people who don't have a television.
But I will own one with my children, just with very controlled usage.

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posted February 19, 2005 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
This kind of thing always grabs my attention. Thanks for posting it. I'm going to read it now.

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posted February 19, 2005 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tracysalome     Edit/Delete Message
Wow Sunchild, thankyou for that info. I have always been curious of such thing. It's scary that there's no avoiding it and everyone is suseptible. "The sad truth is that a high percentage of people want to give away their power--they are true "believers"" thats probably why that word bothers me so much. I always try and catch myself before I write or say that word, because it contains live evil lie/s. And also the thing about the marines - if you look at alot of marine pictures, they all do seem to have the same look in their eyes, i've always found it a bit eerie. Very good article. It makes alot of sense.Thanks again.

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posted February 19, 2005 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
I read the link last night. Very fascinating. Though I wish he went into the TV and music aspect of it all a little more.

I was also really intrigued when he mentioned briefly meditation and even fasting.

I fasted once and I did feel really odd during the whole thing. Very hard to explain. It makes me wonder what was going on brain-state wise. Eating no food for 11 days was ......quite an experience.

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