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ariestiger
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posted May 18, 2005 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestiger     Edit/Delete Message
This morning I was so aggressive that I felt ready to take the world on. The reason being that I had to have a smear test, which I hate, and which ended up being so horrible that I started screaming, and my muscles went into spasm. I cried for a while and when I had calmed down I explained to the nurse that I was going though an "aggressive" phase and that that was making me tense.
"You don't seem very happy at the moment," she said.
Now that ordinarily would have triggered a nerve with me, and I suppose internally it did in a way.

Well, what's happy? I said. Most people can't honestly say they're truly happy, those that pretend aren't necessarily truly happy, they only put on a cheerful face. Truth of the matter is, I don't feel happy or unhappy, and I guess that's the way it wraps up for most people.

Those sorts of questions/statements: are you happy? you don't seem happy - they are blanket statements. When people make those sorts of statements, I feel cut off from them strangely, "outside the box" as it were. They imply that we should be happy most of the time, if not, then there is somehow something wrong with us. Most of the time I'm probably not very happy. But who gives a toss?

Now I'm not implying here that one should wallow in one's misery. I have tried various counsellors, therapists etc. and as I have said before, they have an agenda and they try to fit you in a box. There came a point when I thought, I can deal with this on my own, I don't really need any outside help, I am strong enough. So there is also something to be said for "getting on with it", though the "put up and shut up" aspects that seem to be traditionally associated with that I don't buy either. (I reserve the right to rant, rave and ruminate!) When I think of "getting on with it" now I try to think of positive, affirmative action to remedy certain situations - when the time is right.

Expecting to be happy all the time is a false expectation; remarks such as "cheer up, it might never happen" go right over my head. I seem unhappy to other people a lot of the time, apparently. Actually, I'm not! Maybe I'm just used to the way I feel.

It doesn't matter if you're not happy, even if you think you should be! Although recognizing this and making plans to remedy the situation can make one feel a whole lot more POSITIVE. It's nice to try to achieve some level of satisfaction, but many of us ARE never, and are never going to BE satisfied, that is a fact, it is just our personalities. Some thrive on stability and others on upheaval; all I can say is know yourself, accept yourself.

Extreme emotions sometimes appear to be frowned on socially, I have a lot of those. Extreme euphoria and at the other end of the scale, "blue" periods. At the moment I'm in a "high", fairly aggressive phase, which might be counted as semi-euphoric.
Now some might classify this state of mind as slightly psychotic, but I have always had these extreme emotions even as a small child, I have learned to be nicer and more polite over the years but I lost some of my frankness in the process (which I now seem to be recovering, in a modified form). I sometimes wonder at society's condoning of a fairly bland level of exchange, but I suppose it has to exist, or civilisation wouldn't.
But you look at a lot of people who have achieved greatness - who had what some might call eccentricities and maybe psychoses. Were/are they happy? Who cares? Did/does it matter, in the larger scheme of things?

I can honestly say I am more comfortable with myself being able to own my emotions, to face them and cope with their intensity. I won't go so far as to say I "celebrate" them, but I view whatever "madness", if that's what you like to call it, that I experience as a positive force, because it drives my creativity, for one thing.

I'll share some words from a friend that really hit the nail on the head - simple truths that have over the past couple of weeks gradually made me feel better, and most importantly, stronger: "Concentrate on yourself, your work, and forget everything around it...Your drive should come from inside of you and not from what other people think."

LOL

AriesTiger

P.S. Are YOU happy???


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Aphrodite
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posted May 18, 2005 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
No, I'm not. I've been ****** off since the last week.

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ariestiger
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posted May 18, 2005 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestiger     Edit/Delete Message
LOL. Join the club!!!
Blame the Mars-Uranus CJ - plus the Full Moon Eclipse in Scorpio a couple of weeks ago. I've been feeling emotionally charged since then. Aphrodite - I think your birthday may be the day after mine.

Any other Aries/Scorps feeling the same?

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maya-v
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posted May 18, 2005 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maya-v     Edit/Delete Message
I have a mars in aries in eigth oppositioning pluto - yeah, I have been angry and restless for the last few days ... in fact I have been waking up with a start at 3:30 every night last week - maybe the lack of sleep is messing with me?

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neptune's mermaid
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posted May 18, 2005 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neptune's mermaid     Edit/Delete Message
If my emotions are under control and nobody ****** me off…then yeah I’m happy - otherwise no. I think the problem with me is I’m too easily influenced by outside forces - this means my happiness constantly fluctuates because I have no control over it.

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BlueRoamer
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posted May 18, 2005 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Happiness is a warm gun!!!! errrr

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maya-v
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posted May 18, 2005 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maya-v     Edit/Delete Message
Gun ... thwacker same diff

Right BR?

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pixelpixie
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posted May 18, 2005 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah... it seem so trite to me.. so story book expectation.. for people to assume one is happy, above all else.....
and they wonder why prozac is so popular.
Happiness is a state of emotion, not a state of life.
It is a condition.
A nice one, granted, but a condition for sure.
Life is a series of happy and sad things.. throw in every other emotion there is, multiply by seventy, bake for an hour in a 325 degree oven, flambe, should serve one and all. At least one....
Then call me in the morning.

What's good for you could be good for me, but there are lots of letters separating A and Z
Some are felt more pleasantly, some a friggin' emergency...
bottom line is clear I think
whats nice to me, to you might stink.

Thats a silly poem.

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Aphrodite
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posted May 18, 2005 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the reply AriesTiger . . .

Eh, welcome back!

Not going to blame the transits. I had a LONG discussion with my astrologer during my solar return and he said a lot of what Pixie says too about movements and growth. There is a lot of Fire & Water in my chart, along with Cardinal and Mutable energies.

It's life. And if I didn't feel what I feel, then I wouldn't be able to connect with a lot of what goes on our planet and with our humanity.

s ya! And it's good to see you back.

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thirteen
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posted May 18, 2005 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
I can't even explain it but I love this topic.. It is making me think real hard and I already do that. Ya'll have sent me spiraling.

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ariestiger
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posted May 18, 2005 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestiger     Edit/Delete Message
Brilliant!!!

And before I lay me down to sleep, I'd like to explode another myth...

"People only like smiley, happy people (read Shiny Happy People??). People don't like miserable people. Nobody likes a moper. Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and you cry alone."

Right?

WRONG!!!!!

It is totally, totally untrue! Sometimes you like difficult people even more BECAUSE of their difficulties, and are refreshed by their lack of pretence.
REAL people, people that truly matter, will make allowances for frames of mind. I have been contemplating just how even more fed-up it makes one feel when people discount this fact. What are they trying to prove??

And how can they tell what's on the inside? (Do they need to know?) There is so much that one cannot put into words, believe me, my words are only the tip of the iceberg!

Aphrodite - Are you a '74 baby too, by any chance?
My chart's cleanly divided into thirds of Fire, Water and Air, with an Earth Ascendant. Cardinal/Mutable influence likewise.

Pixie

LOL

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Aphrodite
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posted May 18, 2005 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting spiraling on your part, AriesTiger. It sounds like some idealism regarding happiness had to go through a reality check huh?

May be you could incorporate these breakthroughs in your art? Just a thought. Auguste Rodin is my favorite sculptor. He put into visible form intimate human emotions and desire. I love his sculpture of "Eve" and what he said about it. I bought an art monograph of his life's work over the weekend so I can take a look at the whole picture of what Rodin was all about. He does go through the unhappiness in things that are written on this thread. Have you been to Paris yet? His museum is there. Great place for art. Just a short train ride from the UK on the EuroStar.

I was born in 1979, so a bit younger than you.

Ciao

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ariestiger
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posted May 19, 2005 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestiger     Edit/Delete Message
Idealism, you COULD say that. Reality check - now, you CAN say that.

Good idea, about incorporating the ideas into my art. I am gathering tons of ideas at the moment, so that when I have finished the current project I'm working on, I'm raring to start afresh! I currently do mainly representative art, but want to create something with a bit more bite.

I shall have a look at Rodin's work in closer detail. I haven't been to his museum yet but I am trying to organise some sort of presence in London for later in the year, so Paris should be a stone's throw away from there.

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pidaua
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posted May 19, 2005 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Is it about being happy or being content?

I am content with life, I am happy at times...

The real definition for Happy is:

Characterized by good luck; fortunate.
Enjoying, showing, or marked by pleasure, satisfaction, or joy.
Being especially well-adapted; felicitous: a happy turn of phrase.
Cheerful; willing: happy to help.

Characterized by a spontaneous or obsessive inclination to use something. Often used in combination: trigger-happy.
Enthusiastic about or involved with to a disproportionate degree. Often used in combination: money-happy; clothes-happy.


Happy cannot be acheived ALL the time, but I am generally in a GOOD disposition. Not ALL day, but for the most part. I also try not to take my moods out on other people, it is not the tellers fault that I am feeling pi$$y.

Content:

Desiring no more than what one has; satisfied.
Ready to accept or acquiesce; willing: She was content to step down after four years as chief executive.


I vacillate between the two - and at times I just want to be left alone- to my own thoughts.

I don't think there are people that are happy 100% of the time nor do I think there are people that are angry 100% of the time.

Maybe we just think about it all way to much and should learn to just "BE"?

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sue g
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posted May 20, 2005 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
I am happy and sad, the two seem to merge into one at times, if you know what I mean? My mother said to me once "you will have times of euphoria in your life - they may only last for a few minutes, but hold on to them". I now know what she means, thanks Mum you wise old Capricorn (she would kill me for saying old)

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BlueRoamer
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posted May 20, 2005 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
I am happy and sad, the two seem to merge into one at times,

Defintely true for me Sue G. Sometimes happiness is such an intense experience that its mixed with longing and sentiment. Kind of a fusion of all emotions at once.

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pixelpixie
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posted May 20, 2005 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
It is so neat when I can totally totally understand what you just said.

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Saturn's Child
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posted May 20, 2005 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saturn's Child     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, a fusion that's good. Today I listened to Madame Butterfly. It is so beautiful it makes me happy and so tragic is makes me sad. Everyday it is too easy to find something that makes me sad. It's more difficult sometimes to find things that make me happy. But, I try....I think many times we choose. Often, for me, it take a concentrated effort. That doesn't mean that I think we should always be happy any more than I think it's ok to wallow in the misery. I just try to roll with the punches and choose to be happy cause it feels better.

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