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Isis
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posted June 23, 2005 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message
Hi everyone. While I do ask for advice from those close to me, I don't usually ask for advice on a public forum - probably because I'm a bit proud sometimes, and I have usually relied on my own council to make big decisions, but this is one I'm just too conflicted to see clearly and I don't know what to do. Though I don't probably say it enough, or even at all sometimes, there are a lot of people on this board whom I respect greatly for their level-headedness and ability to be impartial.

So, here's the deal.

I have this huge conflict between hapiness and money. As some probably know, I am going through a divorce, although much to my frustration it has yet to legally begin. I have a choice to make that I find to be very conflicting.

My husband and I own a home. We have a great deal of equity in it despite buying it at nothing down because of this hot housing market. If we sell it before May of next year (ie; get divorced now and split up the assets) we have to pay capital gains tax and an interest penalty for getting out of the loan early. This amounts to tens of thousands of dollars. If we wait, we will have neither of those expenses, and stand to walk away with double the money we would get if we sold it now (and that's just assuming standard appreciation on the house, not the 'on-fire' appreciation it's experienced to date).

This would mean staying in the marriage for another year, not married in the true sense of the term, but in the legal sense of the term. My husband, the Taurus/Virgo/Virgo wants to take this option. And from a practical standpoint, it is a good idea. We aren't at each other's throats, we don't fight, we get along like roommates basically, so it's not like a living hell or whatever. But it is of course a bit weird, an uncomfortable situation that I would prefer is done and over with.

Until running the numbers, my plan was to divorce, sell the house, and take my half of the proceeds and move to New Zealand, where I have citizenship (I have dual US/NZ citizenship). I was going to buy a house there, and go back to school to finish my degree in Ancient History, and get a teaching cert. I'm also going to be 35 this year and hold out some hope of still having children, so the sooner I'm out of this relationship, the sooner I can deal with things, move on, and meet someone else, etc...)

There is one other factor in my decision. A few years ago I was diagonosed with cancer. I received treatment and I've been in remission since then, but the prognosis wasn't the greatest - 55% survival rate after 7 years. It's been two thus far.

My concern - if I were to get cancer again, I do not want to have spent my preceeding years living in an area I do not like, in an empty marriage with a person I don't much respect, working at a job that gives me little happiness and satisfaction, with little in my life to inspire me and little support (all of my friends now live far enough away that they are loathe to drive out and see us). BUT, if I DO live past that 7 years, that extra money that we stand to make could make all the difference in what my lifestyle is like once I get to NZ.

I'm just torn and I don't know what to do. Normally I would tell myself, hell, it's only another 11 months, stick it out and reap the rewards. But the whole threat of getting a terminal illness again kinda cranks up the sense or urgency a notch. As it is I've put off going down there month after month because my husband is a foot-dragger and I'm trying to find a solution to everything that is win-win. I was supposed to have already been in NZ at this point, starting school in a few weeks, but in an effort to come up with some solution that makes everyone happy I've allowed the situation to be dragged out to the point where, if we sold the house I wouldn't make it down in time for this semester anyway.

It's like I'm stuck between practicality (some inner voice that's saying, "do the practical thing, go for door #1 and the money") and fulfulling my desire for happiness (the inner voice that says, "you could die, you need to move on and have the freedom to be happy, screw the money, it doesn't matter"). But no matter how we all slice it, money DOES matter - you gotta eat, gotta have a roof over your head, some security, etc....but that all means nothing if you're not happy with the circumstances, situation and direction of your life.

I've been going round and round on this. My Mom thinks I should stick it out because things aren't miserable and the returns will be so good. My best friend thinks I should just go to NZ 'cause that's what will make me happy, and I will have a chunk of cash to go down there w/ if I get divorced now (just 1/2 as much as I could have if I waited). He pointed out that if the cancer came back say, in a few months, I could end up stuck in the situation I'm in now, longer than I'd anticipated.

This is starting to drive me batty - it's like I've been in a holding pattern for a year now (which is when I began to realize I was going to have to get a divorce). I'm so ready to move on, though sure I have some fears and it's always sad to go through a marriage ending. I don't want to be unhappy, and I don't want to be childishly impractical, and I'm just feeling stuck as to what I should do.

I thought maybe y'all could provide some perspective I'm not seeing, some little insight, something that can help me arrive at a decision. I'm usually a decisive person, and if I make a mistake I just try to see the bright side, live w/ the consequences and move on, but I've never been faced with a decision like this with so many varying implications.

My Venus and Saturn are in opposition in my chart, and it really feels like they're going at it at the moment. :\

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Saturn's Child
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posted June 23, 2005 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saturn's Child     Edit/Delete Message
Just my thoughts:

I worry that the situation and worry over it will indeed make you sick again.
Let go. Be free.

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Aphrodite
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posted June 23, 2005 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Isis,

These are rudimentary sketch ideas, and I have no idea of they are possible. Just ideas that I would think about if I were in your shoes . . .

Would it be possible to change the paper work for the house so it says that you are both joint business owners? Just take out the "married" part.

What happens in situations where a couple owns a business, file for divorce, but both still want to maintain ownership and operating activities of the business together after the divorce? This would be a good question to ask a divorce lawyer.

Do you have someone designated having Power of Attorney of your assets and decision making for when you are not in a state to make them yourself? I.e., if/when you are in the hospital and can't go to meetings with the lawyers to talk and read over contracts.

Which arrives to: Is it possible to file for divorce, still maintain joint ownership of the house, move out and rent it to someone until the sale of the property? At least there would be cash coming in to pay the mortgage, taxes, insurance, etc. You would be free to go somewhere else and not have to live with your Ex. May be move to NZ, and work on living with a smaller means. Not sure if that last part is possible because everybody's level of comfort and spending habits are different and some people won't make that kind of sacrifice.

And lastly, there has to have been instances where couples have gotten divorced and not been able to sell that piece of property during the process. What happens to it? May be it is possible to do this . . . file for the divorce, put the house on the market, and take your time finding the right buyer at the right time.

Just scrambled thoughts.

Aphrodite

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trillian
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posted June 23, 2005 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Isis,

It's good to see you here, I've always enjoyed your insights.

OK, here's what I have to say, a woman with a very practical Pluto in Virgo in the 1st, and moon, jupiter and saturn all in Cappy. I haven't read the other responses, because I wanted to give you my thoughts w/o other influence.

Life is short. Happiness is sometimes elusive. Money is the easiest of commodities.

Go be happy. You can always make more money.

Since you will not be destitute if you don't wait out the marriage, etc., then get out. Go fulfill your dreams. Your happiness level will have a direct influence on your body and it's ability to kill off the cancer! I truly believe that unhappiness feeds, fuels, and even creates dis-ease.

That's my advice, but of course, you must follow your own heart. Or your own head.

Whatever choice you make, it will be the right choice.

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The less I seek my source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine. -Indigo Girls

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Yin
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posted June 23, 2005 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Does waiting to sell the house mean that you should continue living together?
Does it mean you have to stick around here and not go to NZ?
Could you go and live there with friends/family and then come back here and sell the house?
I hate to think that going to another country is an end to your life so far.
Go BE happy when you need it.
I'm so sorry to hear about your cancer.

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pixelpixie
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posted June 23, 2005 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Ditto Ditto Ditto
But mostly, the 'just be happy' part.

Can't HE just live in the house, and then amicably split the profits next year when you jointly sell it?
Is there some clause?

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Yang
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posted June 24, 2005 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yang     Edit/Delete Message
The fact that you and your husband are not at each others throats I would say wait another year and reap the rewards. BUT if you can't see yourself doing that, let go now and be free. Happiness far outweighs wealth at any time although it may not seem like that at times. Do what your heart tells you to do.

As for the cancer thing, keep a positive mind saying that the cancer has gone and will NEVER come back.

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sue g
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posted June 24, 2005 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with Pix, cant you rent somewhere while he stays? I walked away from two marriages and ended up financially broke. Although I wouldnt be so stupid next time, in my case, my freedom and sanity far out weighed the value of money. I think with you its, your health is foremost, just ask yourself how you would feel for a year living in that environment - could you hack it, if not I would go and be happy on your own - good luck girl, sending you love and light xxx

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sue g
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posted June 24, 2005 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Isis, do you receive any form of healing for the cancer, or better still have you been attuned to Reiki, I did parts 1 2 and 3. I also have four female friends who are healers. They have saved me at times, although I dont get physically ill, I have been down a lot, but it never manifested cos I got good healing from them and myself - maybe you would like to try if you already havent? love xx

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Philbird
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posted June 24, 2005 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
I like the business partner idea, and Pix's idea.
When my first husband and I got divorced, it was by mediation, not court. It's a very different process. You all sit down, discuss what you want to happen and basically come to an agreement everyone is happy with. If the divorce is mutual, I don't think mediation works if you have severe disagreements with your partner. It is also MUCH cheaper!
He lived in the house and paid me x amount of dollars a month until my half of the house was paid back to me. Your husband could do this until the property was sold then split the profits...

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Nephthys
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posted June 24, 2005 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
Isis,

First, let me say I am so sorry to hear your sad news and your dilema. I hope you'll be okay!!!

11 months is really not that long. I have a friend who is separated from her husband. They both live in separate houses, and live completely separate lives. It is as if they are divorced, however, they are legally still married. The reason they are staying married is because it is better financially for their taxes every year, and because she can stay on his medical plan. They separated about 3-4 years ago now.
I am NOT saying to stay married for the same reasons, or anything like that, I'm just showing an example of other people who live as though they are divorced, but stay married (legally) for various reasons. If it's only another year, maybe it's worth it to wait?
I agree with you, money is very important in this time and age, especially coming from a single girl at 40!!!
Good luck and do what your heart/gut tells you.

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pixelpixie
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posted June 24, 2005 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
My mom and dad separated when I was a wee one.
They officially divorced when I was thirteen.
They were divorced from each other, only a legal document said they were married, which held no credence for either of them, and the way they lived their lives... separately.

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key
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posted June 24, 2005 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for key     Edit/Delete Message
Hi isis -

I say to get as much financial settlement as possible. Lack of money = stress. Take vacations during this time, visit friends. Use this next year as down time or dead space time. You could enjoy it - no expectations of anything. Don't have to find someone else during this time - you could probably use this alone time. To recover, to pamper yourself.

Key

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pidaua
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posted June 24, 2005 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Isis,

I think that both Aphrodite and Tril offered excellent advice. In your position I would have three options prioritized like this:

a) If you can separate for a year, while living in NZ and then go through the divorce then that is the best option. You would both be able to glean the biggest possible reward.

b) Can he buy you out partially (which would give you a bit of seed money to continue your education in NZ) then after the sale of the house you will get the other portion of the money?

c) If you MUST be faced with living with him, putting your life on hold and neglecting yourself, then I would leave. Being unhappy, stalling your life and worrying yourself into a frenzy is not worth the money.

Regardless if what we tell ourselves (I lived with my ex for another 8 months before moving out on my own) staying with someone but not being apart of them puts you behind in life. You will feel weird about dating or staying out all night (should you find someone). You still feel loyal to the relationship, yet you know that the relationship is just a shell. In the end, a person can feel hollow, almost fake.

May I ask how you two managed while you were in NZ for school? If you are worried about not being able to pay into the house while you are at school, maybe you can structure something with your Taurus that can be deducted when the house sells?

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