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lovely*
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posted August 20, 2005 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovely*     Edit/Delete Message
Has anyone seen it? I read reviews and while it's G-rated, I heard there are some very sad scenes of penguins dying IRL.

Sounds emotionally disturbing for a child, but when is the right time to expose them to this sort of thing?

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AcousticGod
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posted August 20, 2005 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Good question. I read the same thing. I want to see it, but probably not in the theater.

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trillian
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posted August 20, 2005 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
I saw it. I cry at movies a lot, but did not cry during this one. See it. Don't shield yourself, or your child, from the wonders of life/death. It is the parent's responsibility to teach a child the way life/death work, and this film presents a perfect opportunity.

This film is profoundly beautiful and will inspire you in many ways. We take so much for granted, have such a sense of entitlement in our lives...

It's my hope that seeing the emotional depth of beautiful creatures will inspire more to become vegetarians.

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trillian
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posted August 20, 2005 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
btw, the scenes of death are not 'disturbing.' They are sad, but tempered with moments of joy and laughter.

Oh, and the lessons of love in this film filled my heart.

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lovely*
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posted August 22, 2005 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovely*     Edit/Delete Message
Trillian, i'm reading a book called "why do donuts have holes (and other interesting food facts) and I have to say my heart flipped when i read about farming practices. Mind you, this book is nothing but interesting facts and has no emotion to it whatsover, but here are a few of examples of things I was never aware of:

1/2 of all baking soda sold in the US is sold to cattle ranches. Why? because cows get severe indigestion. Why? Because cows disestional tract is made for grass and not corn, which is fed to cows to make a better tasting piece of meat.

egg hens are housed in small metal cages and have very little room to move and an artificial light simulating daytime is used in order yield more eggs. once the eggs are layed, they go down to a conveyor belt so the chicken continues to instinctually lay her eggs. a typical egg hen lays 300-400 eggs in a year which is about close to thier life span. also, hens can become canibalistic so they remove thier beaks.

there is more, but just an example of why people avoid animal products.

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posted August 22, 2005 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message
I think children should be brought up with a knowledge of death. I mean, it is a fact of life, they need to be brought up with it instead of having it sprung on them at a late age. Suffering is also a fact of life, it's not a pretty one, but it is real, and needs to be known. If they aren't brought up with a realistic picture of suffering, they could likely end up even more emotionally disturbed.

That's just what I think... like that really matters...

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lovely*
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posted August 23, 2005 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovely*     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with you BoE~ I will certainly let her watch the movie, i'm just wondering what everyone's opinion is on the subject. I grew up with an honest understanding of not only the human body, how it works, how baby's are made but suffered many pet deaths in my youth. It gave me a realistic perspective at a younger age.

I may wait until it comes out on video though so I can answer any questions she may have. Have you seen it yet Battle?

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posted August 23, 2005 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Battle of Evermore     Edit/Delete Message
Nope I haven't seen it yet, but I want to.

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trillian
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posted August 23, 2005 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
*sigh* Yes, lovely, I've read those things, too, most recently in the book _Meat Market_.

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lovely*
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posted August 23, 2005 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovely*     Edit/Delete Message
Trillian, I drive 20 minutes out of my way to buy conscious food products at Whole food's. Not only does it taste better, but it doesn't cost all that much adn I feel somewhat better doing so. We are talking a dollar here or there.

Still, those poor animals. I wish my body could thrive on a vegitarian diet, but it can't~

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trillian
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posted August 24, 2005 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Lovely, every step is important. I don't like to preach at people, I realize that our bodies are different and that not all of us are meant to be vegetarians. My biggest problem with eating meat is the treatment of the animals, the poisons given them, their food chain being broken (as you said, cows are not meant to eat grain, they are meant to eat grasses), and the horribly cruel conditions in which they live. So by you buying at a whole foods establishment, you have not only made a difference, you are giving yourself a much better quality of food/fuel. I find myself doing the same more and more.

Why does your body not thrive on being vegetarian? I am merely curious, because I am finding that the closer I come to being vegan, the better I feel.

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lovely*
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posted August 31, 2005 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovely*     Edit/Delete Message
Hi there Trillian, so sorry for the delay with getting back to you~

I have tried several times to eat a more vegetarian diet when I was younger and failed each time. I was just so dang hungry all the time. Being a virgo, popular astrology often says our delicate systems thrive on a lighter, vegitarian diet.

In my case it's not so. My blood type is O+, which according to a popular theory, is the "carnivore" blood type group. The next thing I had done which corresponds with the blood type theory is the Metabolic type testing, which in my case proved I'm a fast oxidizer, therefore I burn through carbs more quickly..and do better with a high fat/meat protein diet. These types need animal meat, particularly red meat, oils from nuts, to sustain energy and overall well-being.

I'm not crazy about the idea, to my chagrin, I *try* to listen to my body/

Being 6 months pregnant, right now I would much rather eat things like coco pebbles and chow-mein and reeses peanut butter cups.

Do you know your blood type? You are most likely an "A" if you are thriving on a Vegan diet//..accorfing to the blood type theory.

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trillian
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posted September 01, 2005 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
lovely*,like you I am O+, and I thrive on being a vegetarian.

Honestly, I've read nothing compelling about the blood type theory. It doesn't ring true to me in the least.

Congrats on your pregnancy! Do you know the sex of your child?

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posted September 06, 2005 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovely*     Edit/Delete Message
I'm having a girl

thanks~

As far as the blood type~ I dunno, but I thought since I was feeling so crappy I would try it (a friend recommended the book)

A few months ago out of curiosity, I met with a nutritionist and had my metabolic typing done. surprisingly, the recommended diet was very similar to the blood type diet. Also, type o+ is supposed to do better w/ plenty of vegetables/fruit, just not complex carbs such as grains; rice; breads etc.

I'm still learning what works for me~ studying my energy levels and reactions.

The body is facinating isn't it?

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posted September 06, 2005 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Loggerhead     Edit/Delete Message
lovely* - just read this about Penguin, and you want to know everyone's opinion. Mine is -- btw. I saw your pictures the other day, your daughter is adorable!! and you are very pretty, and Virgo-like, I might add, I don't know your Rising) that I would let a child dwell happily in the innocence of childhood as long as possible. After all, what's the rush? They will find out about death, cruelty, violence, disease, the laws of nature, etc. soon enough. To sit a child down to watch a movie that contains death in order to "teach a lesson" about reality or whatever, seems to me unspeakably cruel. And uncalled for, really. It's like explaining where babies come from without even having been asked.

I think it's possible to do harm to child's soul by exposing them to things they are not ready for. And how would you know she IS ready for it? What's the point of the running that risk? Much better to let her have a pet, even a hamster or some fish, and when they die, she will in a more natural way come to know about death.

Hate it when parents try to make their kids grow up ASAP like they have a plane to catch. Children's souls are precious and sensitive. I always distrust and at times despise the media which touts idiotic products, because everything, after all, is about consume, consume, consume, and when it comes to movies it's no different.

Just the fact that you are hesitating, lovely*, means you are having a little inner voice cautioning you, and I think you should listen to it.

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posted September 06, 2005 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Gemini     Edit/Delete Message


Has anyone ever seen the movie The Bear?


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trillian
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posted September 06, 2005 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
What is so ugly about death of the body?
The better lesson is that nothing ever dies, but simply changes.

To reinforce the fear of death is, to me, the true crime. The only thing more natural than death, is life. They are in fact one and the same.

Yes, death is painful for the living. But it is not the end; it is only part of the cycle. To perpetuate the myth that death of the body the end of life, just continues the level of misinformation in which we live.

I truly don't understand why a parent would "shield" a child from the mystery and the beauty of the transition of one life to the next. It would be far more comforting to grow up knowing that who and what we are continue on long after the body passes into dust.

Change your perspective, and you change the world.

btw, Yes, I saw The Bear years ago.

lovely, congratulations on the impending birth of your daughter. And continue with the diet you feel works best for you. For me, while it remains true that in order to eat, something must die, I just don't want to eat sentient creatures.

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