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Peri
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posted November 02, 2005 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
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Astrological predictions or advice can cause people to do things they would otherwise never have done, and sometimes this has led to tragedy. Given the right circumstances, a particular chart interpretation and its potentially powerful influence upon a person could even lead to criminal acts. In order to help fulfill or forestall what a person believes is the cosmic influence or destiny upon himself or another. For example, a chart reveals that a company will fail, so the president embezzles funds for his own security; or that a child may be born mentally retarded, so there is an abortion.

German theologian and occult expert Dr. Kurt Koch observes that, "Astrology has been responsible for a number of suicides and murders."7 He cites examples in his books concerning the effects of the suggestive nature of astrology. For example, a woman murdered her own son because an astrologer predicted he would lead a life of mental illness. The shattered mother went to jail, but the astrologer went free.8 Dr. Sherman Kanagy, a physics professor at Purdue University observes, "In ancient times women whose babies were born under the sign of Scorpio would often kill their babies by drowning because of the evil significance."



http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/new-age/NA0701W1.htm

Has anyone here had any negative experiences with astrology(-ers)?

Personally I fear my T-square and other stressful transits and sometimes I wish I had not known anything about them

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Svetlana
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posted November 02, 2005 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Svetlana     Edit/Delete Message
Wasn't Hitler relying heavily on astrology?

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beebuddy
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posted November 02, 2005 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beebuddy     Edit/Delete Message
Never had any bad experiences or anything, but it just turns my stomach when an astrologer says something like "don't get married on that day, it will turn out bad!". Complete lack of skill IMO.

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posted November 02, 2005 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moon666Child     Edit/Delete Message
astrology is only a guide!

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 02, 2005 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Nymph     Edit/Delete Message
Astrology may be a guide, but never NEVER underestimate the power of suggestion upon the human psyche.

I just love it when I post my birth data, and someone comes out of left field to jump all over certain aspects in my chart, about how they indicate suicide (I have several of these, yet I'm still here), ending up alone and miserible, never having a successful realtionships, that I'm a liar and a cheat, just offer up they own persona negative interpretation out of context, etc. etc. I mean, I tend to turn around a rip those people a new one, or simply withdraw my info and get out of the conversation, but I find that so unbelievably irresponsible. If i wasn't already knowledgable about astrology, my chart and myself, that would be a heavy blow to have some stranger look at my chart and go with frenzied eagerness "Wow! You're likely to kill yourself! Did you know that?!?" In fact, this nearly turn me off to astrology in the beginning.

I know that astrology is just a tool - I say that often. But there is a kind of power associated with being able to look at a chart and see things that the native may not be aware of about themselves or about their future. The unknown is always very intimidating on a psychoogical level, and no amount of rational explanation can completely rid anyone of that aspect of our psyches.

The practice of astrology asserts the astrologer has privy and access to a certian type of knowledge, and as Francis Bacon said, knowlege is power. So when you hang that kind of power over someone, they can feel subconsciously powerless in relation - it's only natural. Hence why it's so often hard to combat people's impression that astrology asserts fate over free will - because the way it's been used make people feel that way on a subconscious level!!! Therefore astrrology must always be used wisely, compassionately and humbly.

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beebuddy
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posted November 02, 2005 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beebuddy     Edit/Delete Message
Gemini,

"But there is a kind of power associated with being able to looka t a chart adn see things that the native may not be aware of about themselves. That asserts the astrologer has privy and access to a certian type of knowledge, and knowlege is power. And when you hang that kind of power over someone, they can feel subconsciously powerless in relation"

Agreed for the most part, althoug a few friends just laugh and say "Have fun!" when I ask for their birth data. That is always an option for folks.

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beebuddy
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posted November 02, 2005 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beebuddy     Edit/Delete Message
First of all, no offense to anyone from the continent of India... but it's been noticed that Indians often are asking for advice on MAJOR life decisions like marraige partner etc... and I can't help but want to say to these people that this is a very bad mentality to carry.

NO astrolger can see all the angles, so to speak, so it's like way too much trust to give someone who may not have your best interests in mind. Not to mention that realistically you don't need astrology to tell you if you get on well with someone! And if you do get on well with someone then it does not matter which day you get married!

On the other hand when I learned my girlfriend (now wife) was a Scorpio I felt good because her Sun is trined my Sun. And truly there is some ease between us.

I did date other Scorpio's and they were stupid biotches! So the fact that I liked my wife with the fact that the planets favored the relationship was just cool.

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Gemini Nymph
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posted November 02, 2005 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Nymph     Edit/Delete Message
Beebuddy,

I know that some poeple do say they aren't convinced or affected, but psychologists and anyone who knows human nature well have long known that even a suggestion that is otuwardly dismissed by the conscious self can still have an impact on the subconscious self. I am usually not impressed with people's claims of being so psychologically removed and untouched - I chalk it up to lack of self-awareness and bravado. I don't think most people want to admit or even confront how vulnerable they are psychologically.

As for whats going on in India, there's a great concern among many that unscrupulous folks posing as astrologers and other soothsayers are preying on the fears of the poor and ignorant and charging them enormous fees, often several months worth of their income. This kind of abuse is one reason that I don't use Indian astrology at all - it's been so preverted by con artists, I just don't trust it (that also explains IMO why it doesn't work as well as Western schools of astrology).

There are people in India who are actively trying to shut down these grifters, but the demand for certain answers is so great among the uneducated, disenfranchised and otehrs who live in unstable and highly precarious states, which in India there many.

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beebuddy
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posted November 02, 2005 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beebuddy     Edit/Delete Message
Gemini,

""I know that some poeple do say they aren't convinced or affected, but psychologists and anyone who knows human nature well have long known that even a suggestion that is otuwardly dismissed by the conscious self can still have an impact on the subconscious self.""

Not totally confident that this is even worth debating about, but suffice to say that I question the notion of "concious/subconcious selves" and I truly don't care if someone has my birth-chart (except for the problem of identity theft and credit card fraud etc...) That's not to say that I am invulnerable to suggestion, far from it. But having someone's birth chart does not necessarily give you power over them. That's dangerously close to being the same fallacy committed by the Indians who need astrologers to pick a marriage partner.

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beebuddy
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posted November 02, 2005 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for beebuddy     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, just read that article a bit more from the first post and that guy sure hates some astrology.

I do share his concerns though. What do you think Peri, gonna quit doing readings?

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posted November 02, 2005 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Planet_Soul     Edit/Delete Message
Its not so much Astrology itself, its some people's weakness when it comes to subjects of precognition. The human mind is frail to fall prey under mental/emotional suggestions as GN states, but its also a control thing. Sometimes, people want to believe they are in complete control of their reality to the point of having constant reassurance of the future. I have witnessed people throwing away mini fortunes on psychics, card readers, healers, astrologers, etc. I myself own a Tarot deck, but refuse to give readings to anyone other than my sister and only rarely for her. I used to read for people, and was upset by how obsessive some of them where with the subject of tools of divinity. Witnessing a person freely give up free will and rational thought over a tool is scary indeed.

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TheEvolution
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posted November 02, 2005 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheEvolution     Edit/Delete Message
hitler:

owing to an incidence occuring because of a german astrologer with the british which led to damage to hitler's ego... he asked all astrologers whether german or jews to be sent to the death camps!

ronal reagen:

according to the discovery channel RR relied a lot on astrologers to make important judgements.

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iAmThat
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posted November 03, 2005 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iAmThat     Edit/Delete Message
Nice thread Peri.

Hitler followed Nostradamus I think

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Peri
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posted November 03, 2005 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
I think Hitler tried to follow Nostradamus, I doubt that the prophecies of Nostradamus were/are already deciphered.

But I know that Hitler gave orders to execute those astrologers who predicted that Germany was going to lose the war.

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What do you think Peri, gonna quit doing readings?

Never, Beebuddy I am astro-addicted already!

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Marina
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posted November 03, 2005 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marina     Edit/Delete Message
I am a quite sensible person (or at least I believe so). Though at times it's really hard not to feel a bit scared by a certain transit espacially when you see that many of them have proved to come true.

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