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sxycrzykewl221
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posted December 12, 2005 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxycrzykewl221     Edit/Delete Message
I was thinking of getting Rob, my guy, a guitar for christmas, because lately he has been picking mine up (which I don't really like people touching) (gibson semi-hollow epiphone)and I have been teaching him a few basic cords.and he seems to be picking it up and practicing daily, so I think he may actually learn...well, I though I would buy him a used one and a small amp to practice on and so I could teach him, both plugged in...I was in the guitar store and saw this really cool flying v on sale for 200 bucks. Ok, it is definately a very nice guitar, and my question is this, I had to pay my dues as far as guitar owning and part of me thinks you earn your way to better guitars by being worthy to own them. Is this guitar too nice for a beginer? I can buy back my old fender strat squire for about 100 bucks, and that was one of my first guitars, but some buzzing slightly on the fretboard..and I freaking hate the sound of it. The flying v sounds awesome....and a 600 dollar guitar for 200 bucks is a great deal....but I wouldnt let myself buy my guitar until I felt worthy to play it, I know thats kinda wierd..... so what do you think? it's a black one..and with a small amp right around 300 bucks, 100 more than i wanted to spend..but for that deal i am willing......ur thoughts?

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pixelpixie
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posted December 12, 2005 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
I'd do it.
It's a Godsend, synchronicity, a good deal!
Adapt and purchase.
If he doesn't use it, you can!

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sxycrzykewl221
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posted December 12, 2005 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxycrzykewl221     Edit/Delete Message
of course you are right..
that is some major love showing...
if he never learns, I will still enjoy it, can't wait to get my hands on it anyway! (I know ..... my bad...but not like I would re-posssess it or anything, I would never) oooohhhh,,,, i cant wait to go get it!

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pixelpixie
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posted December 12, 2005 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
And why would you want to dampen excitement like that!?
Go to it! Have fun!
I LOVE being excited about a purchase.. enthusiasm translates to happiness!
I am getting my son guitar lessons for his stocking.

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AcousticGod
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posted December 12, 2005 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
My advise is to skip the amp, and get him an acoustic. There's a few reasons for this:

1. Most male guitarists get good at acoustic first, and then have an easy transition to electric. It's not as easy in reverse.

2. This is a big one. If he's going to be playing every day (which is a very good sign by the way), then it makes sense getting him something he can hold in his lap. By design, the Flying V is pretty difficult to hold in your lap as its bottom edge is a straight angled edge (which makes it slide out of place). It's tough to concentrate on learning and practicing when you're constantly dealing with your guitar slip-sliding around.

Those are the main reasons for going acoustic. You could also add that an acoustic is more portable. If he gets into learning covers he can bring his acoustic to parties and just play and sing away instead lugging around an amp.

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sxycrzykewl221
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posted December 12, 2005 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxycrzykewl221     Edit/Delete Message
thanks ag, you do have to hold the flying v different, kind of angled and on your leg....I learned acoustic first, for a bit, but I just though electric is so much easier to play it would be much easier to learn on. Maybe I will ask him, he might prefer acoustic and I am sure I could get one cheaper than the v. I just fell in love with that guitar though. now i have to think about it...arrrrr....it sure is pretty.

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sxycrzykewl221
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posted December 12, 2005 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxycrzykewl221     Edit/Delete Message
hey ag, i asked him and this is what he said..."If its too much you can wait and see if I pick it up on yours first.
But if you get me one yes I would definatly want elect with distortion capabilities.
I've always wanted one I'm just a bit intimidated and afraid I won't be able to pick it up. You have to remember I never played any instuments before. So I have no idea what I'm getting into but I think I could do it. Do you?" you know, i think if thats what he learns on it will end up feeling natural to him. thanks for the advise, but I'm gonna get it for him.

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posted December 12, 2005 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
AG do you play with a pick or do you pluck with your fingers (on classical).

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Happy Dragon
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posted December 12, 2005 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
Apologies for sticking my nose in here .. but ..

.. wrote a long post about the pros' and cons of it all .. squire versus flyingV (make??) .. but realy didn't want to dampen any enthusiasm .. but will leave this .. .. .. inthe uk .. used japanese made squires are fetching up to the equivalent of $700 .. ..
maybe check for hairline cracks around the headstock/neck/body joins on that V .. and maybe double check that it doesn't have any plywood in the construction .. $600 in the uk would probably only aquire one an instrument of far east manufacture .. new .. .. for $200 i'd be looking at why it is being sold .. flaws ??
.. maybe see if the seller will let you check it out for a few days .. see what its like for extended playing (timewise) ..
.. i get a hint of tinted glasses plus in-shop enthusiasm .. .. as in they always sound better at first in the shop ..
well most of the time then :-))

anyhowz ..

.. hope it works out .. ..
.. and it turns out to be a good one .. the flying V that is ..

h.d.

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posted December 12, 2005 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxycrzykewl221     Edit/Delete Message
it's a dean. i didn't see any cracks, but will check it out good before i buy it. thanks.

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posted December 12, 2005 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxycrzykewl221     Edit/Delete Message
you mean the squire, i bought is used and played it for awhile, sold it to a beginner that never picked it up and now thinking about buying it back dirt cheap. it's not in a shop. it prob hasn't been played since i owned it. it sounds like crap though there is a buzzing on the fret board.

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posted December 12, 2005 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
Hey .. Acoustic God ... well said ..

******By design, the Flying V is pretty difficult to hold in your lap as its bottom edge is a straight angled edge (which makes it slide out of place). It's tough to concentrate on learning and practicing when you're constantly dealing with your guitar slip-sliding around.****

.. spot on .. didn't want to say 'owt .. but most V owners i've met usualy end up using it as a "once in a while " instrument .. even those that have early gibson models ...

h.d.

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posted December 12, 2005 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
... went and had a look at the Dean website .. it crashed my computer .. punishment for daring to question their quality :-) .. but before the freeze noticed they have quite a range of instruments .. got the impression some are made in the far east .. some in the west .. ( are they a Canadian outfit ? ) .. so i guess the price and construction materials will vary ..

.. well can i put a vote in for going the "acoustic" road .. pretty sure you could pick up a nice one for similar price .. and many acoustics these days have almost 'electric' action on the fretboard .. and should he pick up your gibson .. by then then he will have aquired respect for the fragility of hollow body laminated tops visa small accidents .. and you don't have to worry about an amp purchase ..

re used 'squires' and value : .. it's only the Japanese built ones that are sought after ( early ones used hardware from fender california .. alnico pickups 'n such ) .. ... the build quality went steeply downhill when the manufacturing process was moved to Korea then Indonesia ... .... ... (jap ones have 'jvc .. ' in the serial number .. on the neck backplate normaly)

.. on the other hand you want to make yer guy happy .. .. and you could always turn the V into a monster instrument for slide/bottleneck .. .. or play it upright with a violin bow ... ... take it out when your gibson would be safer at home .. (bar crowd damage .. etc )

.. i rekon a newbie should have an instrument that makes them Want to pick it up and play ..
.. and ... acoustics are pretty handy on outdoor excursions .. by a lake side for instance ..

.. may it be enjoyable .. whatever the outcome .. :-)
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sxycrzykewl221
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posted December 12, 2005 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxycrzykewl221     Edit/Delete Message
yeah i think i'll get the man what he wants, and if its too difficult to pick up with the angle thing, guitars come, guitars go...but i know i would love to play it with a slide now that you mention it, the pick ups on it are good and it sustains notes for a very long time...thanks for the advise! You are certainly knowledgable!

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posted December 12, 2005 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
BlueRoamer,

I learned on a classical. I do either. I've never had guitar lessons, so I wasn't taught one way or another, but fortunately I've played with both ways. I don't have a lot of finger picked songs, but I like the ones I have created. I can think of four off the top of my head, and two of them are favorites when I want to listen to something beautiful.

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Happy Dragon
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posted December 13, 2005 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
sxycrzykewl221 ....
.. .. a couple of amps .. (prv. post'd)

.. this little black box is like a priceless gem ...
http://www.award-session.com/jd10.html

.. i think Morley (pedals) are their agent in the u.s. ....
.. extremely versatile bit of kit .. excellent response to playing input ..
.. tone controls are pure genius ... overdrive and distortion settings
are never tiring on the ears .. .. sounds cool on its own thru a hifi ..
.. hook it up to a valve (tube ) combo ... blues paradise in a small packet ..
.. if i were to go on about it .. well it would be pages and pages ..

.. small desirable candy bar .. http://www.epiphone.com/news.asp?NewsID=282

definitely worth reading .. http://www.award-session.com/award-session_geartalk.html

.. could not find original .. hope link works ..
subject: tone and solid body guitars .. good article .. http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/temp/s.bdy.html

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posted December 13, 2005 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
meant to add this ..

web forum fer the blues .. http://www.bigroadblues.com

their slide forum ... http://www.bigroadblues.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID1&conf=DCConfID3

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sxycrzykewl221
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posted December 13, 2005 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxycrzykewl221     Edit/Delete Message
thanks hd! awesome links!

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 17, 2006 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
sxycrzykewl221
.. hiya ...
was sort of wondering how it all turned out ..
is Rob flying now ??? ... excuse pun

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sxycrzykewl221
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posted January 18, 2006 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxycrzykewl221     Edit/Delete Message
Rob is very talented...he is picking up everything I show him very fast...already learned 12 bar blues, collective soul (spit me out) ...zz top , rough boy.....alman brothers (win lose or draw), I have been playing 10 years and it took me longer, I'm kind of jealous of how quick it is for him. The flying v is great! and I got him a lil marshall 25 and it sounds pretty good...oh yeah, wild thing, you make my heart sing...he is picking it up quick...also, eric claptan, wonderful tonite....which i freaking hate and want to run outside,, but...ah...thanks for asking!

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 18, 2006 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
hiya ..

yeah ... that clapton song has pretty much the same effect on me

.. good to hear it all worked out !! ....

i keep meaning to do a sound clip with that JD-10 i mentioned ..
well i did one .. but not toooo happy with it ....
anyhow .. here is a chord progression which is quite fun to solo over ..
i think they are the chords from Hendrixs' "little wing"

E minor scale works over it .....

slow tempo

E minor / G / A minor / E minor
B minor / slide down to A minor / back up to C
G / F / C / D

be a progression that 'resolves' nicely ...
i.e once you reach the end D chord ... it feels like it
wants to go the E minor .. back at start ..

and ... it has two relative minors in it .. the Am (C) and the E minor (G)
.. as in RMs are used quite a bit in pop/rock ...

'till anon
h.d.

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sxycrzykewl221
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posted January 18, 2006 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxycrzykewl221     Edit/Delete Message
i think i used to tape myself and screw around with that progression back in the day...have to check it out again.. thanks hd...have a great day!

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Happy Dragon
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posted January 26, 2006 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
sxycrzykewl221

heard of a new CD out ...
was listening to bbc radio2 (audio availbe thru internet)
they have a blues session every thurs eve .. 7 to 9 gmt

caught some trax off that cd .. sounded interesting ..
sorry but i didn't note the publisher .. but it's called
"Blues Guitar Women" .. ..
actualy the details may be on the bbc web site ..

i've a tendency to rec off old tapes 'n such .. and post mp3s
once in a while ..
i'll probably use the following thread for the odd post ..
not too long in uploading a canadian trak with 'eastern' flavor http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/001974.html

'later ..

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