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From: land of the midnight sun
Registered: Dec 2002

posted March 15, 2006 02:31 PM         

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Forwarded-

A local mother of 2, Maxine Sacker, has recently been ordered by
newly-appointed Judge Moseley to immediately discontinue
breastfeeding
her 12-month-old baby in order for the baby's father to have
overnight/weekend visitation. Judge Moseley gave Maxine 10 days to
wean her baby, citing that he knows of no reason this
separation and
weaning should cause harm to the infant.

This is the ruling from a heated divorce case wherein Dad, a
physician, left the family for another woman months ago. Besides
dealing with the pain over being left by her children's
father, Maxine
is obviously beside herself over Judge Moseley's unconscionable
ruling, and she needs our support! Please, moms and dads of
Gainesville, meet us in front of the Alachua County
Courthouse, 201 E.
University Avenue, tomorrow morning at 9 am to protest this hideous
decision.

I know it might be hard to relate to Maxine's plight, but
please hold
this sister and her babies in your heart and come out to
show her that
she is not alone. Our own future rights could be in jeopardy if
rulings like this are allowed without protest from the
community. As
a mom of 3 little ones, I also know it is not going to be
easy to get
signs together, park downtown, and schlepp all of us to a
protest, but
I am just so grateful not to be in Maxine's shoes, that I
think I can
manage the inconvenience. I hope you all feel the same
way! Please
make a sign or two on cardboard or posterboard and bring
your babes in
slings, so you have your hands free! Mothers acting
together are one
of the most powerful groups imaginable. Please join us!
Jennifer Slatton 335.2014
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I'm looking for an email address for this judge so I can give him a piece of my mind but so far all I've found is a mailing address for the 8th judicial-

Send angry letters to -
Judge Mark Moseley
201 E University Ave. Gainesville, FL 32602

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From: MOther & Father GOd
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posted March 15, 2006 02:55 PM         

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why can't she pump her breast milk..supply for the weekend..sorry, but Dad has rights too!

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posted March 15, 2006 03:18 PM         

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I don't see why at 12 months this child cannot be fed pumped milk either. And who knows what the rest of the details are between the mother and father. There could be revenge issues going on here.

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From: land of the midnight sun
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posted March 15, 2006 05:03 PM         

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I know that alot of moms pump for weekend getaways and the like and I don't know the details of this as to why that may or may not be an option, but it shocks and frightens me that a judge feels he has the right to order a mother to stop breastfeeding her child. A father may have rights but not the right to demand that his child be weaned for *his* convenience. It makes me sick.
If I were the mom there's no way I would comply with such an order. How do they expect to stop her? Are they going to have officers guarding her day and night? Seems ridiculous...

Also- the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that babies be breastfed for 2 years..
How does that judge get off saying that it won't do any harm for the child to be weaned at only 12 mo. ?? He is denying the child it's right to be fed the most nutritionally dense and protective food possible..

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posted March 16, 2006 12:24 AM         

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I'm with you, Harpyr. And any "dad" who would force such an issue isn't worthy of the title. Which it seems he already proved by running off with another woman less than a year after his wife gave birth.

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posted March 16, 2006 01:05 AM         

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That is Bull ca-ca.

Totally.
She should pump. I hope she continues.. And you know what?
If daddy thinks his weekend visits with a recently (unnaturally) weaned child will be pleasant, he will quickly be reminded of the bond, when the child calls for mama all the time.
Wow. No way does a judge have a right to demand I stop anything beneficial for my family.
I am so glad my kids continued to breastfeed until they wanted to stop. I still maintained a job for over a year, once my daughter was old enough, we just did it more on my days off, when I was home, and immediately after work. ( Take off the shoes, maybe.. get yer azz to the couch while she'd tugging on your shirt.)
She'd have to pump to keep up the milk supply over a couple of days.

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From: A quiet place ignoring his 20' tall fire breathing EGO
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posted March 16, 2006 11:28 AM         

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Harpyr,

I respect your passion, but don't you think there is possibly more to this story than what has been shared?

Considering they are unable to work out something as simple as the visitation I would think there are some unevolved agendas at work here. I would bet Mom and Dad are just fools, and refuse to compromise.

Lotus, Thirteen I agree with both of you.

The fathers right to be with his child supersedes breastfeeding.

Regards,

Focused Chi

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"Your life is what your thoughts make it."
~Marcus Aurelius

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posted March 16, 2006 12:25 PM           

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Are you a mother, Focused?

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From: A quiet place ignoring his 20' tall fire breathing EGO
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posted March 16, 2006 12:36 PM         

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Proxieme,

I am a divorced father.

Regards,

Focused Chi

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From: MOther & Father GOd
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posted March 16, 2006 12:37 PM         

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that question is irrelevant?

especially not knowing the case..which has been presented ...

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posted March 16, 2006 01:07 PM         

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I agree that there are obvious resentments and tensions involved, or else the need to decide such a thing would be irrelevent....
But knowing that, it is still not the best decision to enforce.
I agree that the father has parental rights, but you can't enforce them to the deficiency of the others. She should continue to pump to keep the breastfeeding relationship alive. No one should force her and her child to stop a beneficial behaviour.

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posted March 16, 2006 01:22 PM         

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Come on..do you really think a judge ordered her to stop breastfeeding?

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posted March 16, 2006 01:38 PM           

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I agree that the father has parental rights, but you can't enforce them to the deficiency of the others. She should continue to pump to keep the breastfeeding relationship alive. No one should force her and her child to stop a beneficial behaviour.

Ditto.

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From: MOther & Father GOd
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posted March 16, 2006 01:40 PM         

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The Proof is in the PUDDING!

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posted March 16, 2006 01:46 PM         

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12 months old? Hmmm.

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posted March 16, 2006 01:55 PM           

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I breastfed til Meg was 15 mos - look at the recommendations put forth by both the WHO and the American Academy of Pediatrics.

By twelve months, of course, it's not a constant thing. Meg was breastfeeding maybe 3-4 times a day by then; she kind of casually weened herself through the 15th month (down to right before naps and bedtime, then only right before bedtime, then nothing).
Though I did still get some pretty forlorn gazes when topless while getting dressed through the 16th month.

It really shouldn't be that hard for her to pump and store, or even pump and dump, if it's just on the weekends.
I'd doubt that the judge gave such an order if I didn't know the idiocy of some judges and the vindictiveness of some exes.

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posted March 16, 2006 02:36 PM         

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Totally.
I'd indicated that in my initial posts.. breastfeeding after infacy has different benefits and behaviours than of course prime food source as it was in infancy. It is bonding, and extra good when the child is sick and will not take nourishment from other sources. It is comfort and love, a chance for mom and baby to reconnect.
People want kids to grow up and reach those milestones so quickly that they forget perhaps that the child is still a baby. Sure, they can indicate better what they'd like or what they need, but they are babies. Totally dependent on us.
There is nothing wrong with continuing to nurse your small child until it's natural conclusion. It will happen.
My daughter would go ten hours with nothing, and my milk supply held up ( though I was a little sore near the end of it) and sometimes she'd nurse a lot.
That's the beauty of the nursing relationship. It is like the Tao in action.
anyway.. geting off topic.

Why, Lotusheartone, was your post directed at me in a negative light?
I directed nothing at you, yet you are still forgetting social intercourse?
"Come on"... yes, as outlined in the above case, a judge did in fact, order the woman to stop breastfeeding.
If breastfeeding was the initial factor in the case, experts could have been brought in to justify the relationship and why it should not be prematurely severed. I am responding as an informal member of the leleche league, who feels passionate about this relationship and I think it is unjustified to demand it stop without taking full responsibility for the affect that would have on all the parties involved, not the convenience of the father alone.
As Proxieme said...
I'd doubt that the judge gave such an order if I didn't know the idiocy of some judges and the vindictiveness of some exes.

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posted March 16, 2006 02:38 PM         

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Do you have Proof?

and it's all in how we see things. ...

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posted March 16, 2006 02:41 PM         

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I am, same as you, going by the opening of the thread... quote

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A local mother of 2, Maxine Sacker, has recently been ordered by
newly-appointed Judge Moseley to immediately discontinue
breastfeeding
her 12-month-old baby in order for the baby's father to have
overnight/weekend visitation. Judge Moseley gave Maxine 10 days to
wean her baby, citing that he knows of no reason this
separation and
weaning should cause harm to the infant.

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posted March 16, 2006 02:42 PM         

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Lotus, if you need some excitement by a battle of words, you won't find it here.
I have had my say and refuse to make it personal.
Have a good day.

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posted March 16, 2006 02:42 PM         

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Sorry..I do not believe it! It's ridiculous!

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posted March 16, 2006 02:47 PM         

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Law and lawmakers don't always do whats best. Yes, it might be ridiculous or outrageous, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
I don't think I have to show you proof via highly publicized media activity that showed poor judgements being made.
So go ahead and believe what you want to believe.
It IS all how you see it.
I read a book by ( Don't Laugh) Dr.Phil. He outlined in the first chapter, a very real concept. You have to accept what is happening, whether it is fair or unfair, it is happening and you must respond with strength. Because your perception or disbelief in it doesn't prevent it from happening. So you must wake up to the possibility, and respond positively.

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posted March 16, 2006 02:49 PM         

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it will not stand!

Lots of Love

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posted March 16, 2006 02:54 PM         

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I hope not.
I hope honestly, she takes it upon herself to continue the breastfeeding relationship, even through the visitation. It's worth it, especially to continue the closeness she has established with her baby. Her daughter will probably need her mommie's comfort after being away from her all weekend. She doesn't understand the concept of independence so much yet, so or her, I'll bet it'd be hard.
It's a hard situation all over the place.

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posted March 16, 2006 02:59 PM         

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If his wife forced him out or ran off with the pool boy, he could yell "Father's Rights!" He made his choice according to HIS priorities and it seems the judge is doing the same. The mother and baby also have rights. Women are hormonal when breastfeeding and this guy ran off with some tart because life got too difficult. Now he wants to rip his baby from it's mother's breast to satisfy his own wants and needs once again. People behaving this way is old news, but JUDGES behaving this way is OUTRAGEOUS and terrifying.

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