posted July 21, 2006 12:02 PM         

I likie the fishies too.

posted July 21, 2006 07:49 PM         

Yeah, it IS difficult for some Pisceans to say "no".
It comes from their willingness to empathize and identify with others.
Most people feel put-upon when they have to compromise
(which is necessary when someone else is being assertive),
and Pisceans can feel that negativity as if it were happening to themselves.
Its easy to imagine how confusing this must be for them.
So, mostly, they just try to keep the peace.
One of their biggest lessons in life is learning to stick up for themselves.

Are these teenagers friends of yours?
Has it occurred to you that you are talking negatively about them behind their backs? Do you, or would you, say this stuff to their faces?
Just curious.

posted July 21, 2006 08:33 PM         

Glad to hear you've found a delightful companion -- is her Libra Moon anywhere near your Pluto, and fall in your 8th or 9th house?? With Cancer on your Dsc, you two have some nice positives.....

posted July 21, 2006 09:21 PM         

How've you been?

Thanks, yeah, her Moon is 6 degrees from my Pluto (what does this mean?!?!), which is opposite her Chiron (hope thats not bad news), and, using Placidus, her Moon falls in my 9th. Her Sun is in my 1st, my Moon is in her 8th, and my Sun is in her 5th. My mars/merc and Psyche are conjunct, and Jupiter is almost perfectly trine, her NNode in Sag. My Mars is perfectly square her Venus. My Stellium is conjunct her Vertex, and turns her Jupiter-Saturn trine into a grand trine! The Saturn trine to my Sun is exact, and her Jupiter is almost exactly sextile my asc. Our Saturns are Sextile. Her Merc is exactly opposite my Vertex. Her Chiron is exactly square my Asc. Her Sun is almost exactly square my Sun. Her Moon is square my Asc. Her Vertex is almost exactly sextile my asc. Her eros is conjunct my DC and almost exactly sextile my NN. My moon is square her Uranus, and Saturn is square her Neptune, both of which might not be great. Her Psyche is exactly trine my Sun. My Jupiter is sextile her Pluto....

Sorry, I just couldn't help listing all of those.

Wishing Joy and Happiness for you, my friend!!

Thank you!
So sweet!
Back atcha!
Yay!

hsc

posted July 22, 2006 03:47 AM         

I feel the pluto/moon link, at least for my hubby and me, is our common link in intense emotions...ie. our very similar bad childhood's. In virgo it's very analytical and practical, discussing rather than being upset...but being united... and moving on together.

Good luck HSC, she sounds like a a treasure.

And on the 'wish I was a pisces' subject...this morning my sweet little girl (who's psices sun, mercury and venus) was very sleepy... She didn't want to get up... She said, "I was dreaming and I was all warm and I didn't want to wake up..so I just dreamed while I woke..."

Isn't that a pure pisces thing to say??? (With a hint of lazy leonine moon!)

posted July 22, 2006 10:12 AM         

That's good to know, thanks.
Yeah, we definitely share some intense emotions.

Your little girl sounds like a treasure, too.
Plenty of wisdom in her words.
We should all dream ourselves awake.

posted July 22, 2006 05:03 PM         

..Well actualy i just can't bite bite my lip. Be interesting to see what signs typically 'wish' they were Pisces. Don't think you'll get many Fire signs queuing up for that one!

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posted July 22, 2006 07:07 PM         

LOL.
That's okay, brother.
I'm sure the Pisceans wouldn't want you any other way.

It takes all colors, to make a rainbow.
My Pisces SNode taught me that one.

Or was it my fire placements:

Grand Fire Trine:
Mars 3° and Mercury 4° (critical degree)
Angular in Sagittarius
Trine Jupiter 8° angular in Leo,
And Part of Fortune 7° in Aries

Aries on the 3rd...
Gemini on the 5th (fire house)
Sun/Venus in the 9th (fire house)
Moon in the 1st (fire house)

Hmm....

Be Great!,
HSC

"The sage brings men back to what they have lost.
He helps the ten-thousand things find their own nature,
but refrains from action."

- Lao Tzu

"Hold the cross high,
So I may see it
Through the flames."

posted July 22, 2006 08:26 PM         

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posted July 23, 2006 01:55 PM         

I don't understand why it's hard for someone to say no...if I don't want to do something, I tell the person!!

This is why you don't understand; you immediately thought about yourself, and what YOU would do. Pisceans aren't like that. Pisceans tend to think about others, and to feel what others are feeling, hence, they get confused about what they want, because they also want what the other person wants. This is, partly, why the symbol for Pisces shows two fish swimming in opposite directions; the Pisces feels and thinks its own feelings and thoughts, but also feels and thinks the feelings and thoughts of others. If you cannot understand this, that is fine. It is complicated, and difficult to grasp. But, try to understand one simple thing: PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT

Not everyone is like you. Therefore, thinking about what YOU would do, is not an accurate way to understand the motives of another person. If you cannot put yourself in their place, fine, but do not imagine that they are in yours. And do not judge. Judgement is the opposite of understanding.

best of luck with your gal

Thanks!

posted July 27, 2006 04:17 PM         

That is so true - I am always reminding myself that I have to put my own wishes first because I automatically forget to when I'm with others. I can always see the other person's point of view - even if I don't agree with them.

I envy those who have a "definite outline" becuase often i feel like I don't - the feeling of being 'lost' is so true - i have some friends who are so dominating and overbearing that I think I lose myself in them and become like them — and I can't stand it sometimes... I have to avoid them by not answering the phone or pretending Im not home!

posted July 27, 2006 05:07 PM         

I was so happy to arrive at LL to find that somebody had actually read and responded to this brilliance of mine, lol. I was feeling so unappreciated, he-he. Yeah, Pisceans to the rescue! Thank you.

And I know just what you go through. I have a neptune singleton in my 11th, in hard aspect to my 1st house moon (an almost exact semi-square), so, I too have had to learn lessons about seeing my friends realistically, budgeting my energies, and seeking out people who dont drain me or take advantage of my compassionate nature.

I tend to be very direct in communicating my feelings, but, when it comes to denying somebody a shoulder to cry on, its tough to be direct with them. I really felt like I was doing something wrong by not answering the phone. But some people cant take "not right now" for an answer.

I would answer because I worried that it might be an emergency, and then, in order to keep me on the phone, I was always assured that it was indeed an emergency. This happened every day, until I learned to distinguish between friends who are ready to actually accept help, or whom I know how to help, and friends who are actually addicted to the constant chaos in their lives.

I want to help people to vent their troubles, but, I've learned that there is a big difference between listening to someone who says, for instance, "I am really upset right now. I am really angry with this girl at work..." and someone who says, "I'm so f--ing p-ssed . This f---ing b---- at work..." etc. B-I-G difference.

The first person is trying to calm down and find perspective, the second is vicious, thoroughly intoxicated with venom, and needs more time to sober up. The second is no less deserving of support (perhaps more, because they need it more), but, even so, its a herculean task to support them, and even Neptunians need to accept their limitations.

One of the greatest things about Neptune/Pisces is the ability to see people's higher selves, but its important not to idealize them, and even to consciously identify their faults. As much as I dont like to admit it, it is necessary, sometimes, to be a bit ruthless. Even if it is painful for them in the moment, in the long run, it is often better for them (not to mention US!), to learn to fend for themselves, and stand on their own two feet. There comes a time when crutches just make people weaker and more dependent. The bone no longer heals, and the muscles begin to atrophy.

There are amazing people out there, who actually recharge our energies, even when they are "taking" from us. Its a beautiful process. We've got to seek them out, and be willing to accept their appreciation.

Okay, I've rambled long enough.
Thanks again,

posted July 27, 2006 05:43 PM         

Pisceans tend to think about others, and to feel what others are feeling, hence, they get confused about what they want, because they also want what the other person wants.

Amen to this!! As a gal with my Venus in Pisces, I can attest to this. All my life, I've been this way; I can identify with pretty much anybody, and have an intuitive feel for what they're thinking, even if they're not vocal about it. And I'll do just about ANYTHING for people I care about, to my detriment even; I just can't BEAR to hurt anyone. It might sound really stupid, but that's the way I am, and at times, I've found myself sorely regretting it. Part of my lesson is to learn to try to put myself first so I don't hurt myself in the process, so I'm working on it!

And, OMG.. I have the same problem when it comes to the phone too!! I'm still working on that one... some days I'm good, others - not so good. Lately, it's been the latter, so I'm losing so much time in my day!! I need to just let the phone go to voicemail & get to it when i get to it.

I've got Neptune conjunct my Ascendant too. That just contributes to the issue.

I don't mean to be a downer though... it IS such a beautiful thing to see a Piscean being selfless, living love...; it's a rare gift. You just have the strongest urge to protect them, and take care of them!! Such delightful creatures!!

posted July 27, 2006 06:11 PM         

Amen to this!!

Thanks.

Wow, Venus in Pisces and Neptune/Ascendant!
L-u-c-k-y !!!!!!
I'm so jelly (i.e. "jealous").

I mean, I know those energies aren't always easy to handle, but they make you a very beautiful and poetic soul. One of my close friends has Neptune/Asc (and Moon in the 12th), and he is seriously an angel, or something.

Hey, just remember, you are not hurting anybody. People are already hurting. You are just doing what you need to do by looking out for yourself. The stronger you are, the more energy you will have to care for others, and the clearer you will see, to know how best to help them.

I'm still working on the phone thing, too, actually. I wrote about it in the past tense, because that's where I want to put it, lol. I am still in the process of extricating myself from a certain unhealthy relationship as we speak. I dont know if you saw, but, I went back and cleaned up my last post, because, the negative emotions were really seeping into what I was trying to say.

I don't mean to be a downer though...

You could never be a downer, Sunshine.

It IS such a beautiful thing to see a Piscean being selfless, living love...; it's a rare gift. You just have the strongest urge to protect them, and take care of them!! Such delightful creatures!!

Well said. So true.

posted July 27, 2006 06:40 PM         

I am totally an 'avoidant' personality (but I'm working on it!) I know what you mean about feeling guilty about turning people down - sometimes its like the worst feeling in the world! I can't rest until I know that that person isn't upset or suicidal or something! I know its arrogant of me to think that I could upset someone so much but honestly, the worry can be crippling!

But i know some people (1 in particular) who are used to me being this way and they just want to vent and expect me to just listen — like a listening post — and it feels like they dont really want my opinions or help, they just want to let off steam and think I'm the person (or thing) to do that with. I never want to hurt peoples feelings if they are upset so i find it hard to stand up for myself and say 'look I've really got to go now'. If you lie down people really do step on you I've learned- its taken me a long time to realise that people are different from me too!

'Idealising people' is very true in my case too - I always do that - i have to conciously remind myself of people's faults and that they're not better than me - or that I'm not inferior to them (virgo sun=inferiority complex).. if i like someone i tend to forget their faults and think they're wonderful, which is such a dangerous thing to do, really.

"There are amazing people out there, who actually recharge our energies, even when they are "taking" from us. Its a beautiful process. We've got to seek them out, and be willing to accept their appreciation."

That is true - but i think to seek them out we have to be aware of how we behave first - sometimes I wonder if the way i behave actually brings that negative side out in people? I am either a complete doormat or I have a shell around me five miles wide which keeps people away - I guess my life lesson is to find a balance in the way i deal with people!

posted July 28, 2006 12:28 AM         

Wow, Venus in Pisces and Neptune/Ascendant!
L-u-c-k-y !!!!!!
I'm so jelly (i.e. "jealous").
I mean, I know those energies aren't always easy to handle, but they make you a very beautiful and poetic soul.

Awww, thank you!! That's so sweet!!
I've got to say though, there's plenty of poetic beauty in souls born under other heavenly influences, as evidenced by so many here at LL, and you're most definitely one of them!!

You are just doing what you need to do by looking out for yourself. The stronger you are, the more energy you will have to care for others, and the clearer you will see, to know how best to help them.

That's really well-said.. I have to tell myself this every day (i.e. "it's ok to put me first"), so I don't forget & fall into the same trap. A couple years ago, I made the biggest mistake of my life and sacrificed my happiness (& that of my love (the Pisces)) to make everyone else happy; i'm still paying for it. Sigh. I just wish I'd known before... but then, I guess you choose certain Soul lessons to experience in this life, and this has been a big one for me.

I am still in the process of extricating myself from a certain unhealthy relationship as we speak. I dont know if you saw, but, I went back and cleaned up my last post, because, the negative emotions were really seeping into what I was trying to say.

Me too, Steve, me too (on the first)!! I did see your earlier post (before the edit). Don't worry about it; everyone's entitled to talk about things that bother them... that's what we're here for, to hear each other out, and help each other through it all!!

You could never be a downer, Sunshine.

Awww... you're a real sweetheart; the Aqua's lucky she's got you!!

posted August 03, 2006 07:49 AM         

PISCES...Moon, Venus, Saturn....here....