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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted July 23, 2006 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

http://www.sebastianwahl.com/sebweb/MY%20ART%20folder/index.htm

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thebigeliza
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posted February 20, 2007 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thebigeliza     Edit/Delete Message
I just saw this...and love them.Thanks Heart shaped cross for sharing Love and Light to you Eliza Libra/Scorpio/Aquarius

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Bluemoon
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posted February 20, 2007 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluemoon     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Heart!! I really love this site.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 20, 2007 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
You're Welcome, Eliza and Bluemoon.

Love and Light,
Stephen
Scorpio/Aquarius/Capricorn


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'Would you know your Lord's meaning in this thing? Know it well. Love was his meaning. Who showed it to you? Love. What did he show you? Love. Why did he show it? For love. Keep yourself therein and you shall know and understand more in the same. But you shall never know nor understand any other thing, forever.'
- Julian of Norwich

'My friends, how desperately do we need to be loved and to love. When Christ said that man does not live by bread alone, he spoke of a hunger. This hunger was not the hunger of the body. It was not the hunger for bread. He spoke of a hunger that begins deep down in the very depths of our being. He spoke of a need as vital as breath. He spoke of our hunger for love.
Love is something you and i must have. We must have it because our spirit feeds upon it. We must have it because without it we become weak and faint. Without love our self-esteem weakens. Without it our courage fails. Without love we can no longer look out confidently at the world. We turn inward and begin to feed upon our own personalities, and little by little we destroy ourselves.
With it we are creative. With it we march tirelessly. With it, and with it alone, we are able to sacrifice for others.'
- Chief Dan George

'Judgment is the antithesis of understanding,
and hatred of evil is the craftiest and least well-known of vices,
so easily is it mistaken for love of good.'
- Heart-Shaped Cross

'What keeps most people from suffering very much is lack of imagination.... Everything great that we know has come from neurotics. It is they and only they who have founded religions and created great works of art. Never will the world be aware of how much it owes to them, nor, above all, what they have sufferred in order to bestow their gifts upon it.'
- Marcel Proust

'In the psychopathic temperament we have the emotionality which is the sine qua non of moral perception; we have the intensity and tendency to emphasis which are the essence of practical moral vigor; and we have the love of metaphysics and mysticism which carry one's interests beyond the surface of the sensible world. What, then, is more natural than that this temperament should introduce one to regions of religious truth, to corners of the universe, which your robust Philistine type of nervous system, forever offering its biceps to be felt, thumping its breast, and thanking Heaven that it hasn't a single morbid fibre in its composition, would be sure to hide forever from its self-satisfied possessors?
If there were such a thing as inspiration from a higher realm, it might well be that the neurotic temperament would furnish the chief condition of the requisite receptivity.'
- William James
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libraschoice7
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posted February 20, 2007 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message
Thats cool, you have a certain affection for Cobain like I have an affection for Carangi(both tragic cases)

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lotusheartone
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posted February 20, 2007 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
there's always the possibility...

that Cobain's soul came to you
Heart--Shaped Cross...

it is a possiblitiy

and the prophecies speak of the dead
having risen

this just means souls remember
who they have been

and since the pieces were split

7 for her
7 for him

we need 7 pieces to be whole...

sometimes, I feel people
really don't want me to respond..

my answers are always the same
and people are tired of hearing
me

it doesn't change
because it is the Truth...

anyway, I really think that
that it is possibility
a feeling I have
intuition...

LOts of LOve to ALL

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 21, 2007 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
“Wise men speak because they have something to say;
Fools because they have to say something.”

~ Plato


"I found it hard. It's hard to find.
Oh, well. Whatever. Nevermind...
What else could I write?
I don't have the right.
What else should I be?
All Apologies."

~ Kurt Cobain

Lotus,

Since I first heard his music, 17 years ago, I have felt a profound affinity with Kurt. His Moon is trine my Sun/Venus/MC/Uranus, his Ascendant is trine my Ascendant, his Venus is conjunct my SouthNode, my moon is semi-sextile his Sun. All of these inter-aspects are within a degree or two, and these are just a few of our inter-aspects. I have never identified with anyone as closely as I identified with Kurt.


hsc

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lotusheartone
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posted February 21, 2007 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
I got the chills..hehe

you are very magical...

Heart--Shaped Cross. ...

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 21, 2007 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
It was his birthday yesterday.

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lotusheartone
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posted February 21, 2007 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
oh my gosh, and I said this to you yesterday, without knowing that, honestly....

WOW!

only you know..it's within you. ...

but, wow, what a sign

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 21, 2007 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

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Gemini Nymph
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posted February 21, 2007 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Nymph     Edit/Delete Message
If I had a dollar for everyone who claims they have a deep spiritual bond or affinity with Cobain. Some people can't see the difference between pseudo-spiritual adoration with celebrity and an actual spiritual connection, but whatever.

The man shot his face off - that should clue people in that he didn't want to connect with them the way they claimed to connect with him. Cobain's fans were parasites (and still are). Given his Piscean energies, and his 7th house, he no doubt drew parasites to him in droves, and it alienated him profoundly. Nice to see this tradition of soul leeching is being carried on well after his death.

And in case I'm not being enough of an a$$hole, I think those collages are garish, ugly and pretentious.

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lotusheartone
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posted February 21, 2007 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Nice Kite!

I don't know much about Cobain..

Heart--Shaped Cross...

ignore the negative people here...
Some things will never be understood by some...

I didn't know he took his own life..that's very
sad..and it's an issue you have dealt with...
another connection..things to be worked on...
continued...

in your writing, Stephen. ...

or lyrics, which ever the case may be... .

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castlegirl
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posted February 21, 2007 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for castlegirl     Edit/Delete Message
"A careless word may kindle strife
A cruel word may wreck a life
A timely word may level stress
A loving word may heal and bless"

Kurt Cobain,
Rest in peace

Stephen,

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Lialei
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posted February 21, 2007 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
Gemini Nymph,
Parasite is a pretty extreme conclusion based on little information.
Have you taken other possibilities into consideration? Such as that, Stephen is possibly drawn to Kurt for empathising the very Neptunian Crosses to bear in life that you describe?

Surely Kurt had many parasites in his life, especially pronounced for his celebrity...I agree with that assessment. (having my Sun conjunct Neptune in the 7th, I can easily see that being a challenge he had to face--although I could never think of anyone as a parasite, so maybe Kurt coudln't either).

But, without knowing HSC's perception of Kurt, it isn't fair to include him in with the mob.


Love to you on what would have been your
40th, fellow Fire Ram Kurt.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 22, 2007 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
GemNymph,

Your comments only illustrate one thing, which is how little understanding a person such as yourself could possibly have of a soul as complex, dynamic, and emotional as Kurt's, and of the kind of empathy and sense of identification with him which may be felt by another sensitive individual like myself. I could try to explain a dozen things to you. I could talk about my sun/venus in the 9th house, and how it is common for natives with these placements to love and identify with people who are personally unknown to them, as there is an attunement to the more impersonal values of the higher mind. I could talk about Kurt's own attunement to the outer planets, which are generational in influence. His chart is incredible; it is no wonder that many people feel understood by him. I could try to explain to you what it means to be sensitive and romantic, compassionate and truth-loving, in this insensitive world. But would you care? You say the collage is garrish. Fine. I am not in love with it myself. But, to me, your words are a thousand times more ugly. Don't you know that cruelty is the most hideous thing of all? Don't you know that much? And can't you see that what is most beautiful in that collage is the love and respect it shows for its subject? Or does your heartless critic's eye only take into account the balance of form, color, and line?

I wrote this for Kurt some years ago.
I understood all that you understood, GN,
and, I believe, a great deal more:


Empathy For The Devil

Kurt Cobain, you're so vain. -
Humble to a fault.
Don't you see the irony?;
Humility exalts.

Such pride demands disparity,
And you,
Identified with to your shame,
Ambitious for some elite obscurity,-
How bitter was your sudden fame?;

How steep, descent from such a height -
I know you wanted to be Rilke, -
When, o'ershadowed by very light,
An angel of another ilk?

Poor Kurt Cobain, profoundly vain,
Martyring yourself. -
We watched you give it all away,
To beg for something else.



HSC

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'Would you know your Lord's meaning in this thing? Know it well. Love was his meaning. Who showed it to you? Love. What did he show you? Love. Why did he show it? For love. Keep yourself therein and you shall know and understand more in the same. But you shall never know nor understand any other thing, forever.'
- Julian of Norwich

'My friends, how desperately do we need to be loved and to love. When Christ said that man does not live by bread alone, he spoke of a hunger. This hunger was not the hunger of the body. It was not the hunger for bread. He spoke of a hunger that begins deep down in the very depths of our being. He spoke of a need as vital as breath. He spoke of our hunger for love.
Love is something you and i must have. We must have it because our spirit feeds upon it. We must have it because without it we become weak and faint. Without love our self-esteem weakens. Without it our courage fails. Without love we can no longer look out confidently at the world. We turn inward and begin to feed upon our own personalities, and little by little we destroy ourselves.
With it we are creative. With it we march tirelessly. With it, and with it alone, we are able to sacrifice for others.'
- Chief Dan George

'Judgment is the antithesis of understanding,
and hatred of evil is the craftiest and least well-known of vices,
so easily is it mistaken for love of good.'
- Heart-Shaped Cross

'What keeps most people from suffering very much is lack of imagination.... Everything great that we know has come from neurotics. It is they and only they who have founded religions and created great works of art. Never will the world be aware of how much it owes to them, nor, above all, what they have sufferred in order to bestow their gifts upon it.'
- Marcel Proust

'In the psychopathic temperament we have the emotionality which is the sine qua non of moral perception; we have the intensity and tendency to emphasis which are the essence of practical moral vigor; and we have the love of metaphysics and mysticism which carry one's interests beyond the surface of the sensible world. What, then, is more natural than that this temperament should introduce one to regions of religious truth, to corners of the universe, which your robust Philistine type of nervous system, forever offering its biceps to be felt, thumping its breast, and thanking Heaven that it hasn't a single morbid fibre in its composition, would be sure to hide forever from its self-satisfied possessors?
If there were such a thing as inspiration from a higher realm, it might well be that the neurotic temperament would furnish the chief condition of the requisite receptivity.'
- William James
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thebigeliza
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posted February 22, 2007 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thebigeliza     Edit/Delete Message
You move me HSC.Love and light to you Eliza Libra/Scorpio/Aquarius
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 22, 2007 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you.
Nice pics.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 23, 2007 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

Thank you lotus, castlegirl, and Lia.

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1scorp
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posted February 23, 2007 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1scorp     Edit/Delete Message
From your pictures on this site... you really resemble him.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 23, 2007 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Correction,
he resembles me.

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libraschoice7
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posted February 23, 2007 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know why people think it's a bad thing to feel a connection to someone famous and dead, he did have his good points and influence(even if the death was tragic). I say this because of my OWN feelings toward a certain famous dead model...

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MysticMelody
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posted February 23, 2007 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Sell the kids for food
weather changes moods
Spring is here again
reproductive glands

Hey - He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Don't know what it means, when I say:

He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Knows not what it means when I say aahh ...

We can have some more - nature is a *****
Bruises on the fruit - tender age in bloom

Hey - He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Don't know what it means, when I say:

He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Knows not what it means when I say aahh ...

He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Knows not what it mean's when I say:

He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means

Knows not what it means [x2]
Knows not what it means when I say aahh ...

Steve knows what he means...

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Mirandee
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posted February 24, 2007 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message

Didn't Kurt Cobain ultimately commit suicide due to a severe stomach problem that caused him a great deal of pain throughout his life? It is my understanding that he could not find any prescribed medication that helped the pain which was the main reason he got addicted to drugs. Severe pain on a daily basis can do that to people. It becomes unbearable and very depressing.

Added to that was the fact that he did not like the fame and all that went with it. My son, who is a big fan of Cobain, said he was the type of musician who liked playing in small clubs to small groups of people rather than crowds.

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