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SunChild
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posted August 07, 2006 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Do you know about EMO's?... I learned the term recently and was really saddened to learn what it means.
So many teenagers have given themselves this label, a self diagnosis of what they call EMO (short for emotional)...
My brother is a punk, he has gothic and emo friends.
The emo friends cut themselves too. And all they talk about is pain.
I feel so sorry for these kids and I wish their was a way to pull their head out of that space.
They say "life is pain, period.. so I may as well die."
In msn spaces I searched "emo"... I found hundreds of teens with sites with their emo outlet.

I found one post that I wanted to take note of...'inside the mind of an 'emo'

quote:


Isnt it funny that when you go to the shops with your friends you look down at the girl with black jeans and studs but smile at the girl wearing a a mini with a tshirt that barely covers anything?

Isnt it funny you can change your music taste to impress a guy but when it comes to a girl who likes her own music and her own style, you give her a mouthful?

Isnt it funny that a guy can get away with being a gangsta but the emo gets a mouthful from everyone

are you laughing?

Isnt it funny an emo can be quiet all through the week but gets more **** from everyone than the girl who sleeps around and sells her virginity?

Isnt it funny that you dont mind your friends drinking, smoking but the minute someone mentions emo music you can give them a lecture on melodramatic teenage outcasts?

im not laughing

Its so funny that you and your friends can make a girls life hell and not know anything about the silent battle she might be fighting.

Isnt it funny that you can call emos, punks, goths the retards but still manage to get through your day without an inch of guilt in your heart.

HOW YOU CAN CALL A GIRL A POSER, HOW CAN YOU SAY "YOUR NOT EMO" OR "ATTENTION SEEKER" WITHOUT SPENDING A SECOND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THERE ARE CUTS ON HER WRISTS AND WHY SHE SPENDS HER LUNCHTIMES CRYING INSTEAD OR LAUGHING WITH HER FRIENDS

keep on laughing

Isnt it funny you can say and do all this without any idea of what is going on in this persons life

without knowing her situation with her friends

or her family

or her LIFE

BRAVE ISNT GOING UP ON STAGE AND STRIPPING

BRAVE IS NOT SAYING A SPEECH

OR DUMPING YOUR BOYFRIEND

BRAVE IS

GOING TO SCHOOL ON MUFTI DAY AND NOT FOR A SECOND CARE WHAT THE ****** AROUND YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT YOUR CLOTHES

ITS LISTENING TO YOUR OWN MUSIC AND BEING PROUD OF IT

ITS GOING THROUGH EVERY DAY WITH THE THINGS PEOPLE SAY TO YOUR FACE AND BEHIND YOUR BACK AND YOU STILL KEEP QUIET

ITS KNOWING WHAT YOUR "FRIENDS" ARE SAYING ABOUT YOU AND STILL CALLING THEM YOUR FRIENDS

BRAVE IS KNOWING THAT TOMOROW ISNT A BRIGHT AND HAPPY FUTURE

ITS ANOTHER DAY OF BITCHING AND DODGING RUMORS

keep on laughing..


They keep telling themselves this, they've convinced themselves... I wish they could let go of that pain.

Any ideas and thoughts on this EMO thing and what to do about it?

Send your light this way

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Scorpionic Web
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posted August 07, 2006 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpionic Web     Edit/Delete Message
Uggghh... this girl recognizes herself: "the minute someone mentions emo music you can give them a lecture on melodramatic teenage outcasts"

It IS melodramatic nonsense. Emo is just mass commiseration. These kids are lazy suburbanites, dejected by the status-quo skanks that litter every d*mn mall in every d*mn cookie-cutter housing development in America.

The inner-city, with exposure to REAL culture, breeds far fewer depressed Emo kids.

Don't confuse EMO with GOTH mentalities. Nearly all of the Goth kids I've met are really nice and outgoing. Most of the Emo kids I've met are condescending and introverted. Goths seem to view Emo kids as weaklings.

My brother is a Goth-Raver, and he's a happy one, as most of them are. All of his Goth friends are happy people too. Don't be fooled by the black clothes, metal chains, and eye-liner: its all a scene, based mainly on the occult and Dungeons-and-Dragons-glow-stick-grave-raves.

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MoonWitch
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posted August 07, 2006 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message
<~~~ former gawth.


It's kind of annoying to be associated with the depressed Emo thing. Back in the day (when I had to walk 12 miles through the snow to skip school and make my own clothes because there was no Hot Topic) it wasn't about depression. It was about rebellion, making a statement, wearing what you wanted despite what people thought, listening to more challenging music than what was readily available on mainstream radio - it was almost a type of mini-revolution or at least a way to beat some waves against the status quo.

It was NOT about being a victim. It wasn't about feeling bad when some preppy/yuppie made fun of your hair. It wasn't about feeling so sorry for yourself you ceased to be anything except a whiny teenager. At least, not for the most part (there were always exceptions, of course).

There's a difference between being dramatic and being a drama queen.


editted to add: this isn't to say I'm not sympathetic to teens that have real problems. But then that's what psychiatrists and spiritual and/or emotional guidance counsellors are for.

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Scorpionic Web
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posted August 07, 2006 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpionic Web     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, thats what I was trying to say. MoonWitch is right on.

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MoonWitch
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posted August 07, 2006 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message
Speaking of Emo -

This skit called "Hope is Emo" is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I think it's up to episode 3 but you can view all of them.
http://www.hopeisemo.com/

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MysticMelody
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posted August 07, 2006 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
You are beautiful, SunChild. Do you have amazing parents?

I don't veiw troubled teens by catagories anymore, so I wasn't really aware of the difference between an EMO and a Goth until recently when I came across some Goth info.
To me, all this means is that instead of poor inner city parents neglecting their children while they get drunk, smoke pot, and "ho" around (or start their own meth lab), now suburban parents are getting into the neglect your kids act by dumping them in day care all day and ignoring them all night. Now ALL the kids are going to be p.o.'ed and crazy. I don't think this is even the parents' fault...

but I do like to blame the government. We have enough resources in this country that people don't have to be poor, we can educate everyone, and one person can stay home to make a home for/raise the children.

Children shouldn't learn about life from their music. "Cool" music doesn't give the holistic view that kids need, just the "secrets" they intuitively sense are there, without the responsibility to themselves and humanity that a spiritual education brings.

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MoonWitch
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posted August 08, 2006 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message
"To me, all this means is that instead of poor inner city parents neglecting their children while they get drunk, smoke pot, and "ho" around (or start their own meth lab)"

Is this what goths are to you?

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MysticMelody
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posted August 08, 2006 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
I talk more of my experiences with old "friends" than of specific subcultures. We were the Metal kids back in the day. I don't have a discriminating view of teen subcultures these days, just understand the common disgust at society that seems to run like an underground current through all dark teen subcultures. I called my boys the "black t-shirt boys."
I understand that a lot of Goth is poetic and fun, but do you deny an underlying rejection and unhappiness with societies norms? You said (and I agree and felt the same as a teen in my subculture) "it wasn't about depression. It was about rebellion, making a statement, wearing what you wanted despite what people thought, listening to more challenging music than what was readily available on mainstream radio - it was almost a type of mini-revolution or at least a way to beat some waves against the status quo."

Didn't any of your friends kill themselves? Go to prison? Didn't any of them have these kinds of tough experiences with parents? I didn't notice "as much" in my small town, (and I use "as much" pretty generously because I can probably think of about 10 kids I went to high school with who are dead) but once I got to the city and began to meet the parents of the people who ran in our circles, I noticed a lot of similar experiences, and ended up with a lot more dead friends.
A lot of the Goth kids were into ecstacy and two I knew drank bottles upon bottles of cough medicine. The fascination with vampires led to a fascination with blood and many of them were depressed.
You may have had different experiences, I can only speak from mine. If you feel I am missing some information, I don't mind listening and learning.

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MoonWitch
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posted August 08, 2006 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message
***Didn't any of your friends kill themselves? Go to prison? Didn't any of them have these kinds of tough experiences with parents?***

One of my friends killed himself last month at the age of 29. Complete surprise, actually, though he was more rock-a-billy. I did have two friends that got into drugs but one was 'normal' looking.

Go to prison? I'll have to think really hard about that but I can't think of anyone I've ever really known going to prison. I sort of knew one punk kid that did but I knew him only vaguely. I think my uncle was arrested once but he wasn't a goth, punk or any other subculture.

What teen, really, doesn't have a tough time with parents? I had a miserable time with my father but I didn't get into the goth subculture to rebel against him. It just appealed to me at the time. Thinking back on it - I don't know what kinds of relationships most of my friends back then had with parents but the ones really close to me tended to have the typical parent/teen relationships. The few guys I dated in that 'scene' had particularly close relationships with their moms.

I guess no matter what group of people you choose to surround yourself with - you have to pick and choose.

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