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Topic: Brokeback Mountain
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lovely*
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From: CA
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posted October 08, 2006 11:46 PM
 
[for those who intend to watch, don't read this] My husband, a conservative Leo male rented me the movie, but refused to watch it and poked fun at me by calling the movie Fudgepack mountain. So I watched it today. It got me thinking. This movie didn't feel like a gay, trying to send a political-message type of movie at all. To me it was about many things, but mostly about two people in love. And as a heterosexual female, I related to it. The end when he had those shirts and was buttoning them up, all alone in his pathetic little trailer. After his daughter left.. it showed that Heath's character was willing to sit in the life he created (his girls) inspite of his desire to be with the one he loved. The other character clearly knew he was gay and pursued other relationships whether pure sexual or romantic with others like him. He wanted to live that life and in the end it killed him. (was brutally beaten) I'm curious what others thought of the movie.
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pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 09, 2006 12:44 AM
Lovely, I am with you on the loving message..
I didn't feel that it was in any way 'we're here, we're queer, get used to it' ( not that there's anything wrong with that) 
But it was a beautiful love story, with a bond developing between the characters, and they had to really reevaluate ( during, after, as they continued on their life) everything that had come before.. was it isolated, was it just that particular person, was it something inside?
Some things you go with, as a compulsion, even if it doesn't fit in with what had come before. The boxes that are acceptable and the things we label being put in them.I enjoyed this so much, but of course, understood that I was to watch it alone.
I was secretly 'affected' by the tent scene too. I love how it was done. And the meeting each other again passion.
Wow.
I still think they are sexy men, even more so, and I respect them as actors, to tackle these roles.
Sometimes I am proud of where we are in this world, in some respects.... I love how it was handled, and I love a man secure enough to watch it.
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themysteryclub
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From: United States of America
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted October 09, 2006 04:28 AM
I also thought that the movie didn't feel very 'gay' but that it was a genuine love story. But truthfully I thought it was boring  . Nobody I have spoken too about the movie has agreed with me yet, but I thought I would share my diverse opinion about it. It didn't offend me, but I wasn't inspired either. One might say this is because I have metal blocks up about gays...but I don't think that it the truth because I don't have bad or good feelings about gays...my best friend is gay... I just see them as people! I've wondered if maybe I would have liked it more if it was about a love between heteosexuals...but no...I just thought it was boring. But I think it is a film very worth discussing, which I why I am bringing up my unique opinion. Peace! TMC IP: Logged |
thirteen
Knowflake Posts: 1107
From: Rochester Hills, MI USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted October 09, 2006 09:42 AM
I enjoyed the movie. My husb watched it with me. I kept saying when it was over: "what am i supposed to take away fromt this?" I still wonder that. I guess ultimately it was a good story. I felt like i could relate to heath ledger more. I could understand how he wanted to keep things hidden but still wanted his weekends away with his lover. IP: Logged |
Wednesday
Knowflake Posts: 695
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Registered: Jul 2006
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posted October 09, 2006 09:55 AM
Hey TMC, I thought it was boring too. And because I couldn't truly enjoy the movie, until now I can't understand what the hype is all about.IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 5301
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 09, 2006 11:11 AM
It was written, acted and filmed subtly.
It wasn't an overt-
"Hey you, audience, with this music and this sequence of events, I am going to manipulate you into feeling this way"
It was open for interpetation.
I appreciated that it was slow moving. I don't think a film with a somewhat controvercial theme should be overt, because if it told you how you should feel, people wouldn't appreciate it.. just like how lovely and I agreed that it wasn't a blatent 'homosexual movie', just a love story.
Depending on their own experience, people get what they will from the movie. I like that about it.
I didn't find it boring, I was entranced.IP: Logged |
lovely*
Knowflake Posts: 2141
From: CA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted October 09, 2006 12:54 PM
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I was secretly 'affected' by the tent scene too
Same here. I found it interesting that the tent scene was really the only sexually graphic part of the movie. They only needed to show it once. Subtle is the right word Pix. I do agree the movie was slow moving, which was perfect for me because it gave me a chance to linger in my thoughts as the movie played. As Pix said, it allowed folks to interpret. Here's a question. When Anne Hathaway's character was on the phone with Heath's character, was she aware that this was probably his lover? Also, was she or her father the ones responsible for his death. I got the sense that Jake came more to terms with who he was and was ready to come-out, which ended up killing him. IP: Logged |
The Mutable Night Force
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From: England
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted October 09, 2006 03:09 PM
No... it didn't feel like a 'gay' movie, but I'll tell you why. Don't get me wrong, i really liked this film but because it was quite a lot like a slash fic brought to screen. I don't know how many of you have read slash fiction or know what it is but it's essentially the equivilant of guys getting off on imagining lesbians. Women are more likely to be turned on by words and it seems a surprising amount enjoy the thought of two guys (film or book characters) getting off with each other. Cos most slashes are written showing the tender emotional side all the time, women can relate to that and identify which makes them able to enjoy it just as a love story. I can do this too which is why I liked Brokeback mountain but my mum always makes me feel very guilty about it since, although she has known and is fine with gay guys, she finds me not being turned off by two guys in a romance disturbing. haha so I'm kind of confused! Whilst I don't long to see blokes kiss, I have read some slash and don't find the whole kaboodle beyond me.
What about everyone else? (sorry... diverting the topic off Brokeback slightly..!.)IP: Logged |
Jazzebel
Knowflake Posts: 343
From: Georgia
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted October 09, 2006 11:05 PM
I watched it with my Scorpio. I knew I`d love the movie before I even saw it. Give me a tough love any time and i`ll soak myself into it!
So yes, I had to see the movie and i had to see it with my Scorp. Literally dragged him to the theather by his feet despite his ardent protests. The movie left him shattered, me too. Just like me, he ignored the fact the story was between two men, what he saw and what I saw was a deep passionate forbiden from the sociaty love and the tragedy of it broke my heart. My fierce masculin Scorpio man ended up with a tear in his eye which he unsuccessfully tried to hide.
Absolutely loved the movie. We all are born with love in our hearts, no matter who we are.IP: Logged |
silverstone
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posted October 10, 2006 11:58 AM
Excellent movie for those who truly appreciate Literature. A compelling and extraordinary story that focuses on life and the courage it takes to be yourself. Brilliant performances. I was very excited by the prospect of something like this entering the mainstream.Silverstone ------------------
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
lovely*
Knowflake Posts: 2141
From: CA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted October 10, 2006 10:44 PM
MNF, I thought the dialog was very minimal. I don't find men kissing a turn on AT ALL/ Did you notice they only showed two scenes of kissing/lovemaking? It was a quiet piece.Jazzebel, WONDERFUL! I'm so glad you dragged that Scorp to see it!! I've always found Scorp men eager to delve into what a woman wants & needs. He's a keeper  Silverstone, this movie is -still- with me. This is a movie I bet I could watch 10 times and get something a little bit different each time. The emotional layers are endless. IP: Logged |
silverstone
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posted October 10, 2006 11:07 PM
Lovely, quote:
The emotional layers are endless.
Precisely! There was much more to it than what others saw as disturbing. So much to explore, so many emotional levels. Being a literature major, I really enjoyed the end, as much as we expect a peaceful ending, it just doesn't always happen, especially in those times. When Heath looks at the Jacket it takes us back in time (remembering the moments he treasured with his partner), yet at the same moment, there's a painful sense of wanting to turn back time (regretting not spending the rest of his life with the man he loved), which cannot be recaptured; his heart desiring to have that one last chance... a sense of regret. A story with no hope and no future based on the choices made... he could not let the change happen and the change affected him.
Silverstone ------------------
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
lovely*
Knowflake Posts: 2141
From: CA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted October 10, 2006 11:23 PM
that jacket scene haunts me. especially when he initially found it in Jake's closet (interesting "closet" metaphor i hadn't thought of until now..{here again, another layer}...when he found the shirt at the parents house, the way he took that shirt and smelled the life out of it, said so much about his regret and feelings. Then Jake's mother hurriedly placing the rolled up shirts in a paper-bag suggested she had found/seen them before and had anticipated someone coming to claim them. [remember she suggested heath's character to go to his room that she "kept the same" with a knowing look in her eye] just more thoughts. i could disect this movie over and over. it was just so brilliantly directed/written/acted.. IP: Logged |
lovely*
Knowflake Posts: 2141
From: CA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted October 10, 2006 11:34 PM
Silverstone, I also wanted to mention the end. I enjoyed it also. His daughter coming in, reluctantly telling her dad she was getting married. You feel her trepidation, she seemed to think her dad may not be able to come to her wedding. [this is her DAD!] this showed me the perceived emotional distance. But he flipped it and showed her with few words how important she is to him, by agreeing to change work plans etc. I bet she was driving off thinking "WHAT, HOW, WHY..? with a huge grin"IP: Logged |
silverstone
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posted October 10, 2006 11:36 PM
Interesting, Lovely.To me the jacket represents the memories left. Beautiful ending. I just remember the scene about him smelling the shirt... wow, so much emotion there, I felt he felt Jack near when he did that; he felt his prescence. I like the way you disect it... so many meaningful moments  ------------------
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
lovely*
Knowflake Posts: 2141
From: CA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted October 11, 2006 12:00 AM
it's so fresh in my mind. i watched it sunday morning.ang lee has an interesting ang-le doesn't he? -the ice storm
-eat drink man woman
-the wedding banquet
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themysteryclub
Knowflake Posts: 320
From: United States of America
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted October 11, 2006 12:56 AM
I will add that I thought it was interesting when his daughter told him about the type of 'employement' her fiance had...and the slight look of alarm in Heath's eye. Anyone else notice that? And how he contemplates for a moment and asks here if the fiance love her.IP: Logged |
lovely*
Knowflake Posts: 2141
From: CA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted October 11, 2006 02:02 AM
mysteryclub, yes i remember that. for some reason i thought she was about to say she was pregnant in that scene, in the trailer. Do you think he has a look of alarm because daughter's fiance was a "roughneck"? I'm not even sure what a roughneck is.. I'm assuming it's a laborer of some sort. ..can't remember what his occupation was..
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themysteryclub
Knowflake Posts: 320
From: United States of America
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted October 11, 2006 08:57 PM
I can't remember exactly what his occupation was either, but I remember when I watched the movie I thought that Heath's occupation was the same thing as a 'rough neck' and that his alarm may have stemmed from the memory/fact that he was once an engaged rough neck as well... I was wondering cuz it has been quite a while since I actually watched the movieTMC IP: Logged |
lovely*
Knowflake Posts: 2141
From: CA
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posted October 12, 2006 05:06 PM
ohthat makes sense now! IP: Logged |
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