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sue g
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posted November 04, 2006 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
I have noticed humankind are good at doing the second one, but not always the first....

Couldnt help but notice that our Glacus has offered to do free reports for people and even though he is unindated with them, I didnt notice people offering to give much back...

I have a friend who I often say to "is there anything I can do for you" I give freely to this friend, but have now discovered that this person cannot give back to me.......she took, but when I asked for something back, she couldnt give. I asked for her to visit me, instead of me going to her home all the time....and she couldnt!!!

Am not sure this type of energy can work....cos one becomes depleted, where the other becomes fulfilled, it then ends up being out of balance...

Does anyone here feel they give more than they take....or dare anyone admit they take freely without thought often of giving back.

Sun/Moon/Asc if you wouldnt mind....


Sue
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maklhouf
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posted November 04, 2006 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
This is tricky, and would be a useful thread in UC. Often we give by taking. How often have you eaten something you did not really want because somebody cooked it for you lovingly? I never eat anything I don't want, because that way I avoid getting fat without dieting, but I am aware that I cause hurt feelings when I turn down gifts of food. We could do most things for ourselves, but it is gracious to allow others to do for us occasionally.

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And I will give thee the treasures of darkness
Isiah 45:3

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Azalaksh
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posted November 04, 2006 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Hi sooz ~

I’ll bite – interesting topic….. and you know me Big 3

First, I believe that we bring karma from the past that needs to be balanced in the present – and if we don’t get it done (balanced) in the present, or we create new karma that needs to be balanced, we take it with us on into the future. When I find myself in a situation (other than with my child) where I’m giving and getting very little back, I recognize it and do one of two things: give with intent, or detach. Not every friendship/relationship can be totally balanced, where each party gives and takes the same amount. And in relationships there are cycles where one party gives more and the other less, then the cycle dips or peaks and the roles switch. Where I give freely, with no thought of return, then what I have given is renewed in me – where I have given my energy, I seem to get more energy back. Giving is more satisfying to me than taking, but I’m well aware that there are those in this world who feel that this place and all the people in it owe them something for all they’ve been thru – my brother is a prime example of that attitude. We don’t speak anymore, but he sure came up with some good one-liners back in the day….. “The best way to get kicked in the teeth is to help somebody out.” (which is what his experience was, so it colored his his life and his perceptions from then on).

I’ve noted that astrologically there are aspects that push you to give up the “psychic vampires and parasites” you may have allowed into your life. I have a friend who’s terminated several long-term friendships over the last couple years. Her friends were people she’d known since early school days. That connection is likely what prompted her to hang onto these people who only used her, and when she asked for favors back, all of a sudden they could not be found, or had other plans which interfered. I’ll have to check with her and see if she remembers what aspects those were – probably one of the Outers cleaning closets

But sooz, for you – if you find this friend too draining, then it’s time to detach, especially after what you’ve been thru lately. Dr Zala prescribes a period for sooz to be taking in instead of giving out . Time to disengage from friends who seem to only be friendly and want you around when you can do something for them. I guess it all depends on how much you are willing or able to tolerate/embrace their neediness. And no gift of love or energy ever really goes unreciprocated – it may just come back to you from another source. I have the most wonderful neighbors – without my asking for anything they helped me thru that storm last year when the tree fell on my house. One of my retired neighbors always comes over when I’m at work and does little things around my yard. I can only conclude that at some point in my lifetimes I gave enough to have it come back around to me on this trip…..

{{hugs}} Z

PS: Yeah, I've noted that there are over 80 replies in Glaucus's Free Astro Reports thread, and I feel the same as you. Are you sure you're not a Libra?!?

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sue g
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posted November 04, 2006 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Mak...

Thanks Zala....bless you for your kind words of wisdom.... ...

Am I a Libra.?..well girl I have many planets in the 7th house, so I class myself as half Libra/half Scorp!!!

Thanks again....you echoed my thoughts...

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MysticMelody
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posted November 04, 2006 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
People should only give what they are willing to give... not give until they feel empty and then expect/demand others to "fill" them. That would be "taking" and not just what is freely given, but "taking" by force or intimidation.
I can think of a few people in my own life who like to give things so they can rationalize controlling behavior.
As Dr. "Feel" would say, there's a "pay-off".
I have a great Astro book that I just found at the library and I would love to type a few aspects out for a few select friends, but I would never have the time to type out for twenty plus requests on the Astrology board. So, I'm not offering!!! hehe
I'll do one for Zala and one for Sue though!

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Azalaksh
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posted November 04, 2006 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Aww MM, thanks for your thoughts
What book is it??

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sue g
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posted November 04, 2006 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for your post MM

And thanks for the offer of the aspects....very kind of you!!

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taurus/gemini cusp
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posted November 04, 2006 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurus/gemini cusp     Edit/Delete Message
Hey there!

You bring up a very good point sue. I have been feeling very guilty about this for some time myself.

I've asked for a a fair bit of feedback on these forums but given very little myself. I feel very selfish about this, but I'd like to explain that if I had more knowledge on the subject of astrology, that I would share that knowledge more readily. I am still learning (slowly - blame the bull!) and once I've got a hold on the basics, I will definately aim to return the favour to the people that have been good enough to help me out, (not that there's anything I could teach any of you that you don't already know!!!)

Glaucus and some of the rest of you are so giving and wise and that is the attitude I would like to emulate in the near future. I'm going to do my best to help someone out everytime I ask for help, just to even up the scores a little bit!!!

Peace and Love!
Ellie xxx

PS) sue, which part of Ireland are you living?! I'm part Irish on my dad's side and visit every other year!!!

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lovely*
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posted November 04, 2006 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovely*     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not good at taking, or receiving. I hate feeling beholden to someone. I give and never ever expect a return anything. I give because I'm compelled to do so. I'm a virgo ya know. We be like dat.

I do take the money my husband earns, and spend it, divy it up in a way. But I also give back by loving them and caring for thier emotional needs.

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MysticMelody
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posted November 04, 2006 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Parkers' Astrology New Edition by Julia and Derek Parker

It is SWEET Teaching me about progressions!!!! Happy Happy Joy Joy

It has info on harmonics too and I don't understand that yet, so BONUS. You girls probably are more advanced in those areas, but I think it's always fun to read planet placements in different books. Let me know if you want to hear any specific placement.

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maklhouf
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posted November 08, 2006 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
RE: giving and taking
I was on a ferry in the Greek islands and went to sleep on deck. I woke up surrounded by a cheerful Greek family who were eating breakfast. I am never hungry at that time and I turned down the food they offered, but I have felt churlish and uncomfortable about my behaviour to this day. Funny what stays with you.

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PhoenixFlight
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posted November 08, 2006 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixFlight     Edit/Delete Message
Sue,

We must have the same friend. It is hard when the person is so charming, but I have had to distance myself from her. We are still friends, yet I have to set a lot of boundries. That is hard for me. I love to give, if I can, but when I begin to dread her call or feel drained than it's time to change the dynamics of the friendship.

Like Zala said - life does balance itself out. I have people that give to me & ask nothing in return. I do try to be mindfull of how much I recieve from them so as not to be the taker in the relationship.

In some cases I have nothing to offer, or so I feel. In other cases I have more to give. There was a movie "Pay it Forward" I try to remember that if I am on the recieving end than soon I will be on the giving end.

I feel that there are cases where it is helpful to take e.g. someone who needs there self-esteem from their gift may give, and if I don't take it that might make them feel unworthy.

I don't always have much to give on this site, but there is another site which I have much to share.

Take it easy, but stay strong Sue. You are one of the reasons why I like this site. You have a gift for saying things that make people feel better. I hope that I am able to do the same.

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Rainbow~
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posted December 23, 2006 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rainbow~     Edit/Delete Message
[img]http://usera.imagecave.com/arkangel007/S5000015.JPG[/imgimg}MY KITTY pATCHWORK

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sue g
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posted December 24, 2006 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
I missed this!!

Phoenix....thanks very much for your kind and thoughtful words

Rainbow.....love that cat.....purrrrrr......

How are you today....

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