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TheEvolution
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posted March 09, 2007 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheEvolution     Edit/Delete Message

Hey all,

if this is true, its quite amazing!!

Have history teachers explain this if they can!

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.

John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.

John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.

Both wives lost a child while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.

Both Presidents were shot in the head.

Now it gets really weird...


Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.

Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln.

Both were assassinated by Southerners.

Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.

Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.

Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.

Both names are composed of fifteen letters.

Now hang on to your seats....

Lincoln was shot at the theater named "Ford."

Kennedy was shot in a car called "Lincoln" made by "Ford."

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.

And here's the "kicker":-

A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland.

A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.

Lincoln was shot in a theater and the assassin ran to a
warehouse..

Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and the assassin ran to a
theater...

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aqua inferno
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posted March 09, 2007 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua inferno     Edit/Delete Message
oh sweetie
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/lincoln-kennedy.asp

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 09, 2007 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
aqua inferno -

I looked at that site. Did you?

The author of this website is small-minded and unscientific.
He says nothing.

He argues that none of the coincidences are amazing on their own. Granted. But, the list is significant because it is a list (i.e. a confluence of many smaller coincidences).

He also argues that, although true, these coincidences leave out the numerous differences. So what? The differences do not negate a single thing. Differences are always legion, they are only to be expected. The similarities remain striking, because they too are legion, and this is highly unusual. Sure, they did not have the same number of letters in their first name, but just because this is not yet another coincidence, does not negate the coincidence that both men had fifteen letters in their first and last names.

Sure, there are many things that make the coincidences seem not so incredible, like the fact that Presidents are only elected every four years, but if the author of this website were truly scientifically minded, he/she would consider how often it has occurred in the case of any two presidents that they were elected to congress and the presidency exactly 100 years apart.

Again, he calculated the odds of being shot on a Friday as one in seven. Not bad odds, but now consider, if the chances of this single coincidence are already 1 in 7, what are the chances of all of these coincidences happening?

Lastly, the author pretends to explain the coincidences away by explaining their foundations. For instance, he says that Wilkes only had three names to distinguish him from his father and brother. So? What is your point? Of course there is a reason the man was known by three names, and of course there are circumstantial reasons for why Kennedy was riding in a Lincoln, and why Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy, and for all of the coincidences mentioned, - just as there are reasons for all the things that happen in the world, lol.

The coincidences remain.

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lalalinda
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posted March 09, 2007 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Darlin,

I've seen this before
the similarities are interesting

quote:

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.

Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln.


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BlueRoamer
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posted March 09, 2007 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
I read the debunking on snopes......still seems like a lot of weird coincidences to me.

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TheEvolution
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posted March 10, 2007 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheEvolution     Edit/Delete Message
it is hardly understandable as to why the author at snopes has to debate over the topic.

no one claims that this similarities are a work of something supernatural or occult. everyone accepts them as coincidences and such conincidences are obviously amazing.

he says there is nothing to be amazed of and says "t's hardly surprising that two men who (as noted above) both achieved their first political successes at the national level a hundred years apart would also ascend to the Presidency a hundred years apart. This "coincidence" is even less surprising when we consider that presidential elections are held only once every four years. Lincoln couldn't possibly have been elected President in 1857 or 1858 or 1859 or 1861 or 1862 or 1863, because no presidential elections were held in those years. Likewise, Kennedy couldn't possibly have been elected President in the non-election years of 1957, 1958, 1959, 1961, 1962, or 1963. So, even though both men were politically active at the national level during eight-year spans when they might have been elected President, circumstances dictated that the only years during those spans when they both could have been elected were exactly one hundred years apart."

well, but the elections could have been held on 1856 for lincoln or 1956 for kennedy but they are held exactly 100 years apart.

what makes this coincidences amazing is the sheer number in which they occur.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 10, 2007 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
I said all that, Evolution.
I dissected his entire arguement, point by point,
and showed very lucidly how unscientific it is.
I already made your points (better than you did), and then some,
with the exception that I, for one,
do suspect the correspondences may have occult significance.

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OutlawIntellect
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posted March 10, 2007 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OutlawIntellect     Edit/Delete Message
i've read that both the presidents were killed by a powerful cult called the illuminati or freemasons. this cult is obsessed with numbers and symbology which may explain "some" of the dates.

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lalalinda
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posted March 10, 2007 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Hello and Welcome OutlawIntellect

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OutlawIntellect
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posted March 10, 2007 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OutlawIntellect     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you glad to be here

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Philbird
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posted March 10, 2007 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
I wanna see "The Virgin Mary" grill cheese sandwich again!

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Dulce Luna
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posted March 10, 2007 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
I already made your points (better than you did), and then some,
with the exception that I, for one,
do suspect the correspondences may have occult significance

Ok then....I think I'll hold my tongue.

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aqua inferno
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posted March 11, 2007 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua inferno     Edit/Delete Message
"I looked at that site. Did you?

The author of this website is small-minded and unscientific."

what you think I just post random stuff? This website is important. There are loads of people who post random crap on the net, and others believe it ( no offense evolution ). This site exposes that.

And what do you mean by unscientific?

*******

"with the exception that I, for one,
do suspect the correspondences may have occult significance."
okaaaay
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alex, I'm a girl! btw aqua as in water not aquarius - aka neptune'smermaid & waternymph

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TheEvolution
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posted March 12, 2007 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheEvolution     Edit/Delete Message
no problems aqua inferno.

Dulce Luna: no need to hold ur tounge. post it without care. as long as u know u thought of it, go ahead, make a point. u dont have to worry about what others say.

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Dulce Luna
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posted March 12, 2007 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Oh no, don't worry Evolution. I said I was holding my tongue becaus I don't feel like getting into anymore arguments, that is all. I was kind of taken aback by that response (and not in a good way), that's why I quoted it.

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TheEvolution
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posted March 12, 2007 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheEvolution     Edit/Delete Message
its alright.

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