posted March 19, 2007 04:21 AM         

In Hesiod's Works and Days 11–24, two different goddesses named Eris 'Strife' are distinguished:

So, after all, there was not one kind of Strife alone, but all over the earth there are two. As for the one, a man would praise her when he came to understand her; but the other is blameworthy: and they are wholly different in nature.
For one fosters evil war and battle, being cruel: her no man loves; but perforce, through the will of the deathless gods, men pay harsh Strife her honour due.
But the other is the elder daughter of dark Night (Nyx), and the son of Cronus who sits above and dwells in the aether, set her in the roots of the earth: and she is far kinder to men. She stirs up even the shiftless to toil; for a man grows eager to work when he considers his neighbour, a rich man who hastens to plough and plant and put his house in good order; and neighbour vies with his neighbour as he hurries after wealth. This Strife is wholesome for men. And potter is angry with potter, and craftsman with craftsman, and beggar is jealous of beggar, and minstrel of minstrel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28mythology%29

Larger than Pluto,
Eris has been dubbed "The Tenth Planet"

I thought we might open up discussion on the two faces of Eris, and consider how, in our lives, discord and conflict has been the source of some, if not all, of our greatest learning experiences. I know I've found that I am drawn to people who can provide the greatest challenge for me, who do not take anything I say at face value, and who manage to form an argument in opposition to nearly every thing I say. Some of my deepest insights have been the product of conflict arising from these kinds of confrontations. I find that my false views are always weakened, and my correct views are always strengthened. I pray to be presented, not only with people whom I may speak in free and easy sympathy with, but, also, with those who will challenge me at every turn. Who I choose to spend time with depends largely on my moods, and whether I am consciously seeking growth experiences, or rest.

HSC
Sun at 13'54" Scorpio
Eris at 13'53" Aries
Harmonia at 2' Libra
(in the sign, decan, and duad of Libra)

"I have learned silence from the talkative,
tolerance from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind;
yet, strange, I am ungrateful to those teachers."
- Kahlil Gibran

posted March 19, 2007 05:35 PM         

quote:

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Some of my deepest insights have been the product of conflict arising from these kinds of confrontations

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Also...
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum18/HTML/000038.html
http://www.novareinna.com/constellation/libradecans.html
http://cura.free.fr/decem/10kengil.html

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted March 20, 2007 12:33 PM         

Great links, silverstone!
Still investigating.
Thanks.

"Each aspect pattern may be drawn on a blank horoscope wheel, and will, with one exception, create a closed pattern that will only include particular signs in a repeating loop, yet never completely cover the entire zodiac... Which leads us to the one pattern that touches every sign in the zodiac... the Inconjunct aspect pattern of 150°."

posted March 20, 2007 01:06 PM         

So, it seems that the IAU has decided to name the object formerly known as 2003 UB313, "Eris". That is, of course, pretty amusing for the Discordians among us. Regardless of what astrological meaning you want to give this object, it seems pretty clear that the logical choice for the glyph is the one below. Robert Anton Wilson is probably dead by now, but I'm sure he's chuckling in his liquid nitrogen flask.

Seattle Shaman from 4.242.24.187 at Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:03:17 +0000:
Before we begin to honor the New Rising Goddess
we must pay our respects to Pluto and give the God
a proper burial. Crones, Dark Goddesses
and the Shamanka's responsibility must
come first ...

Dearly Beloved,

We have gathered here today to pay homage to the God PLUTO, Ruler of the Underworld who rarely wanted to live down in the underworld anymore after he and Persephone had gotten divorces and he consistently kept coming up to the middle world. Pluto was arrested and found guilty under Federation Law of the 'Galactic Center' which he soon will be entering at 26 degree's Sag and return to rest in peace for eternity to the 'Black Hole of the Great Mother's Womb'. Some Astronomers, AstroPhysicists and Astrologers who were present at the trial were mourning his arrest calling it a Witch Hunt, others said it was That Libra Woman who was responsible. Libra lifted up her skirt to the crowd to bring quiet back to the morners and the reporters were now 'coin'ing the phase: "The Pluto Years, History of Hell on Earth finally comes to its near end."

We shall morn his passing this morning for a few moments and bury Pluto with his accumulated Inheritances of wealth of the Kingdom in which he was a long time employee. You are invited to attend his Funeral next week, must wear black and walk side by side to deliver him to his unmarked grave. There will be a few important Goddesses to speak to the crowds as they will say a few prayers including the Goddess Hel and her Timeless Nordic Uelegy; Erishkigal and Lilith lead by Demeter and her daughter Persephone shall speak oracle through their tears of the woundings and share personal stories from the family's hidden past. They have decided they can forgive Pluto and have decided to return to Earth as Libra regained her seat at the Supreme Court Justice by 13 Earth Women Senators. Psyche shall give final rituals and rites over the actual grave; Mediah shall make the formal annoucements to all Media [h] Universities and Newspapers and Urania shall oversee the inviation list that is too large to list across the Milky Way.

The wake or rebirth party will be at sunset on the Dark Moon in the newly restored Miverva of Assissi Temple in Italy and shall be escorted by the Priestesses of Vesta, Juno, Nike, Venus and Artemis. Some of Pluto's Gate keepers will also go to the Black Hole including the Roman Emperors of Ceasar with a few important world Diplomats of his time and Homer. Their ceremony will be to made to walk first in front of the Holy Roman Church naked, so the little ones can finally reclaim their fragmented soul loss and that the Emporers New Clothes ‘were’ actually stained with the blood of children. The German Pope will give a few inspirational words before he turns over the keys of the City of Rome to Eris as she then moves on to her motherland of Greece for the actual celebration where Sappho shall sing her original inspirational Lyre’s that had been banned.

In Egypt the Priestesses of Isis, Wadjet, Nehkbet and Hathor Temples will all perform sensual unorthadox belly dances for the crowds, in the southern hemisphere Yamanja's and Coatlique Temples shall bring their best Shamanka's forth to make sure no scorcerers or co-horts of Pluto attend by creating a vortex around the magnetic portals of Earth connected to spirit world. The Middle Eastern Temples of Ishtar will also attend [side note: Ishtar has just indicted Solomon who remove her Symbolic Star, renamiing it the Star of David and under copyright laws of the Galactic Federation Solomon and David shall be brought to trail next fall.] And the Dark Mother of Afrika who 'never' makes appearences to humans shall hover above the crowds along with Nyx.

Eris will be in proper Ceremony attire to accept her temporary position as 'Queen of the Underworld' until Lilith and Ereshkigal and the hundred Dark Goddesses prepare for their reinstallation at the Gathering of the Dark Mother at the Winter Solstice. Eris will hold this position only as stand-in at the Sacred Temple of the 8th house of Commons of Birth, Sex, Death and Transformation of the Underwrold which had been closed for 2000 years. This event is in 2012 in Mexico City when the official Queen will be announced. Those media press announcements should be out in Nov. 2008 and you are all invited to attend.

The celebration for Eris/Heiress to the Throne of her Auntie Urania and her Uncle Uranus shall make the announcments of the coming of the Age of Aquarius celebrations as a special treat where Gaia shall open her Volcano's Pele, Etna, Mt. Rainer and a few other selected Volcano Goddesses. Eris who once admitted she was angry with her brother Ares, who was arested today by official martial artists law because he had served Pluto without remorse for his actions and his soul time to make amends was closing. He will be charged later this month for his misuses in war and refusal to speak truth [emotion] while protected under the President Zeus. The press box noticed the two of them talking in Libra’s judges chamber and we hope that these two may someday make peace after his term is completed.

Spiritual men known as the Taoists, the Hindu's, Sages, Indigenous Medicine Men, Druids and the Buddhist Priests shall all attend carrying the light of the sacred Cave, holding the Candles for the Goddesses Bridget, Kali, Nidra and Padma. The Nature Boys will be there preparing the food with the Maidens and many musicans, spiritual artists, seers, astrology teachers, yogi's both on and off planet with the enlightened men of earth will give their own special tributes as the Band: Pluto Queen of the Dwarfs performs.

Eris said her new release will be coming out in 2010 of what really happened at the Trojan war, and why the Kingdom kept pointing fingers at her and the media kept making a mockery that it was a silly contest about three goddess beauties. She shall reveal her long kept secrets all these years, so you won't want to miss out. It will be published without words by the distinguished University of Discordia Press and should be quite an interesting circle sharing under the full moon. She plans on bringing her sacred knowledge of the Golden Apples out once and for all ... so sharpen up those skills of telepathy and telekenetic imagery because thats the format in which she shall use.

Story by the Aquarian's Aquarian
Seattle Shaman@hotmail.com

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Treating Eris like a Lady - Eris Publications
Copyright © 2006 by Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved. http://www.lulu.com/astrology
Eris is associated with positive competition, healthy spirit of capitalism as well as
upgrade. One of the best representations of the spirit of Eris is Bill Gates with Eris
conjunct Moon. The golden apple thrown by Eris is obviously Apple Macintosh. Bill
Gates took the challenge and the market. The challenge of Eris and her apple are obvious.
Catch the golden apple! The house of the horoscope containing Eris is the house of
challenge.
Eris is challenging you to catch the golden apple with our publications. Eris publications
sell online since August 1st 2005.
􀀧 Eris in love was one of our fist publications. Eris in Love and War is a completely
new rendering for the year 2007. Watch out for bonus manual for the astrologer in the
year 2007! With Jupiter in Ophiuchus and Venus in Hydra it is a very special year
indeed! You don’t need the Antichrist to know that planetary waves get turbulent.
􀀧 Catch the golden apple with Bill Gates and our new edition of Eris in Las Vegas.
May Eris transits help Jupiter Uranus transits for best results! As we said Eris is the
mercilessly successful spirit of capitalism. Cain and Abel fought first. Who is next?
􀀧 Eris in synastry and secondary progressions may help you getting an idea of Eris
in aspect. All aspects have been determined astronomically. Eris does not make close
conjunctions too often. A 14-degree aspect can be generously treated as a “close” one.
􀀧 Eris was delineated as 2003 UB313 a year ago. You will find applications in the
12 houses for every life situation. There are even special editions for kids and pets!
􀀧 Objects designated as 2005 FY9 or 2003 EL61 are next in size to Eris and Pluto.
All transneptunian giants have received their delineation when they were still
unnamed. Many of them are unnamed still but have their delineation. Our recent
effort covers the delineation of a large number of transneptunian objects in the 7th
house of the horoscope.
Eris is the major dwarf planet in astrology as delineated in love and war, sex, business,
real estate, for women, in spiritual life, for kids, for pets and even for the old school of
astrologers. The dwarf planet does not have anything like a standard trajectory as it is
moving almost perpendicular to the ecliptic. As concern the generally well known IAU
zodiacal constellations Eris will enter Pisces and Aries and only in 200 years it will cross
Virgo. Eris will thus never enter Taurus, Orion or Gemini on its way. It is impossible to
have Eris in Aquarius much as it is to have Pluto in Aries. The previous generation had
Eris in Sculptor much as the present has Eris in Cetus.
Planets hide their secrets. Even the modest Moon has many surprises for the astrologer.
While Eris was setting in Cetus over the western WTC horizon, the Moon entered Orion.
Eris was delineated for general use in astrology as well as for accurate predictions. Since
even the “well known” Sun, Moon or Venus need extra accuracy when used in
prediction, we can afford treating Eris like a lady in her own constellation. The place she
likes to be is the constellation where she was found. Since the Moon, Mercury, Venus
and every planet enter Cetus, Cetus is a zodiacal constellation in its own right. Dwarf
planet Pluto can even make a close conjunction with Eris in Cetus in its own time. Pluto
must be a strange fellow since it never enters Pisces or Aries. After Sculptor, Cetus,
Pisces and Cetus II, Eris will enter Aries. After a short sojourn in Aries Eris is heading
towards the north pole while crossing Perseus, Camelopardalis, Lynx, Ursa Major, Canes
Venatici and Coma Berenices before crossing the ecliptic again in Virgo. Thus Eris
crosses the ecliptic only twice in 600 years. It is surely a peculiar lady.
In some 500 years from now Varuna, 2005 FY9 and 2003 UB313 will meet in Cetus.
Outdated house systems and hardly scientific astrology cannot cope with Eris because
they cannot calculate the ascendant or even the position of the Sun. Scientific astrology is
able to look astronomy in the face because they are one. We know the skies change due
to precession. The set of ascendants is changing constantly. The ascendant is not a static
thing at all. Since the Sun ventures into Ophiuchus and the Moon into Auriga and Venus
in Hydra we have 24 astronomic constellations in all. To have 12 signs in the sky is of
course a simplification for the simple folk. Astrologers know where planets are much as
astronomers do. There is one Mars only. When it is noon it is noon for astrologers and
astronomers as well. We have only one vault above us. God did not create a separate
vault for the astrologers and the devil to play upon it. There is one generally accepted
astronomical sky. Observatories all over the planet agree as to the position of the Sun. In
the following passage one will learn that it is not that easy at all to determine the position
of the Sun. It is in fact quite a challenge in special cases such as that of Sai Baba.
Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the
stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that
shall come upon thee.
Eris is below the western horizon when in the 6th house. This seemingly meaningless note
is in fact necessary. There are programs one is liable to come across that are calculating
various systems of houses. To our best knowledge and on inspection we did not find any
house system that shows the real sky. In the case of Eris this means that Eris should not
be observable when in the 6th house and well below the western horizon. The result of use
of peculiar “house systems” is one can never tell where the planet in question really is.
Since in astrology it is not at all the same if your Neptune is in the 7th or in the 6th house
this creates additional chaos to the already rich list of bugs. We take that the real sky is a
fairly accurate collection of omens. Since we work with the real sky we don’t need any
distortion. We don’t want to misplace planets for the purpose of superstition or cheating.
When Eris is setting, the descendant is most probably Cetus. In some variations the
descendant will be alternatively measured as Taurus or even Eridanus. Note that Eridanus
and Taurus are rather rare ascendants at the present epoch since they occupy a minor part
of the eastern sky. The animations on the site clearly show this obvious fact. The
descendant cannot be Aries at this epoch since Aries is presently quite incapable setting
in due west much as it is currently impossible for Aries to rise in due east. What happens
to the virtual sky as used by various astrologers. This sky simply does not exist and
probably never did. It was meant for educational purpose. No astrologer that is accurately
observing the motion of the planets would take the 12 signs simplification seriously. The
12 signs were probably used for general purpose while the initiate of course knew about
e.g. Venus in Hydra. In old Egypt Hydra and Le were in fact depicted together. It is
highly unlikely that the Mayan civilization remained unaware of the special positions of
Venus. Some civilizations were literally obsessed with a particular star such as Sirius or
planet like Venus. When a comet or supernova would appear it was of course recorded in
the appropriate constellation. The Egyptian would surely depict a planet exactly in its
position modern representations such as at Denderah still retain the possibility f depicting
e.g. Venus in Cetus or “Eris in Anubis”. It can be generally assumed that whether the
“astrologer” knows it or not his natal Sun may be in Ophiuchus. Moreover whoever has
no problem accepting that Spica Virginis is “at the 23rd degree of Libra” should be at
least informed of the strange possibility that the major star of Virgo is in fact in Virgo. To
have Sun in Virgo on the major star of large Virgo constellation probably means one has
been born with Sun in Virgo. That should be sufficiently logical even for the less gifted.
It seems logical to look towards the west in search of the descendant much as we would
naturally torn towards the east looking for the ascendant. While this and many other facts
seem logical they are never used in astrology. Various examples clearly show e.g. Pisces
rising while the astrologic program calculates “Capricorn”. Albeit Capricorn is at
southeast and high in the sky, the program has it “ascending”. What is worse people
believe such nonsense probably trusting “astrologers” as against possibly evil scientists”.
The problem is that before astrologers are quite incapable of discovering new objects like
Eris possibly because they can’t use a compass. The result of the “development of
astrology” especially in the past 2000 years is that it is more reliable to consult a Boy
Scout than an astrologer. Imagine someone born with Sun in Virgo and Pisces rising
being told by a trusted astrologer that he is a “Scorpio with Capricorn ascending”.
Hilarious as it seems wrong identification could ruin one’s life and karma if one had one
but it may not be so. Astrological “interpretation” as well as “suggestiveness” among
people in general easily marches along with false ego and towards an adequate “yes
sometimes I really feel like this” or “Scorpio personality suits me well”. It is
understandable that someone with Sun in Virgo must feel like a “Scorpio”. Even avatars
should in fact generally accept it. But when it comes to avatars of truth we may be
informed that things don’t look as we think up there. The Vedic system greatly differs
from the western tropical system as God and NASA may be just slightly at odds. We
have informed Sai Baba that his natal sun was still in Libra on November 23rd 1926
however preposterous it may seem to non-astrologers.
The innovations that we introduced can be summed up as follow.
􀀧 The astronomic zodiac is the basis for accurate operation with planets. This
scientific zodiac has 24 IAU constellations. In the yea 2007 we have Jupiter in
Ophiuchus and Venus in Hydra. Those are just examples of accuracy as to the
position of the planets. Supposedly astrologers knew about those positions some 2000
years ago. Then something happened and we went retrograding into superstition.
􀀧 The precessed ascendant is a new way of looking towards the east with optimism.
As the ascendant set changes as we observe the rise and fall of ideals. When Crater
and Aries were rising King Arthur led the Grail pursuit. Crater is a zodiacal
constellation sometimes meaning the Grail. A pharaoh born with Lepus ascendant
was surely a cowardly fellow and so on.
􀀧 We have 16 rising constellations at this epoch. The astrologer trains to determine
the eastern ascendant according to the real sky. The procedure generally saves time
and effort. There is no error in the real sky. The east is a reliable ascendant.
􀀧 Special positions of the planets. In “Venus in Special Constellations” the word
“special” is for the newcomer. To have Venus in Sextans or Orion is in fact quite a
common affair. Our favorite example had Moon in Cetus, ascendant Hydra, Mercury
in Sextans, Venus in Orion, Juno in Scutum and Pluto in Serpens.
􀀧 Since Egyptian astrology functions well with NASA based observation we
decided to blend the old Egyptian system with our own. This project takes time. At
present we are integrating the pre-Denderah elements into our own system. Egypt is
fascinating when cleared from Greek distortions (sorry, Eris!).
􀀧 The Eris materials range from experimental to comprehensive applications.
Gigabytes of published material over a year of hard work should warrant reliability.
Klaudio Zic iau28@yahoo.co.uk Eris astrology web site http://www.lulu.com/astrology

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http://www.karmastrology.com/NewPlanets/Eris.shtml

ERIS

goddess of discord

(pronounced EE-ris)

Eris, artist's impression
Artist's impression of Eris and the Sun

The solar system's newest planet, formerly known as 2003 UB313 or Xena, now has an official name, Eris, and the name is pronounced EE-ris. Named after the goddess of discord, Eris held true to her name, creating such controversy about her planetary presence that the veteran planet Pluto was demoted to dwarf planet status by astronomers as they grappled with naming the new planet.

Breathless scientists announced her discovery as the Solar System's 10th planet on July 29, 2005, and promptly nicknamed it Xena, after the warrior princess from TV series of the same name. Mercury was retrograde at that time, so you just knew something would get snarled up and it did.

While the name, Xena, captured the media's fascination, it was only intended to be an interim nickname according to Michael Brown (no relation to your humble webmaster), a member of the team that made the discovery using telescopes at the Palomar Observatory, outside San Diego, California. The team has discovered several new planets in recent years, including Quaoar, Sedna, and Orcus. Eris was originally identified on October 31, 2003, but the announcement was held back for almost two years while astronomers did further studies.

However, the name, Xena, was not to last. The stuffed shirts and grand poo-bahs of the astronomical establishment won. They did much feather fluffing about Eris being larger than Pluto, and by August, 2006, had demoted Pluto to dwarf planet status and confined Eris to the same category.
Eris discovery images
Eris discovery image

Scientists have learned much about Eris already. While research released in Feb., 2006, suggested Eris might be as large as 3,000 kilometers in diameter, or a third bigger than Pluto, research from the Hubble telescope released in April, 2006, showed Eris has a diameter closer to 2,400 kilometers, about five percent bigger than Pluto.

What the Hubble research showed which was unexpected was that Eris reflects as much as 86% of the light it receives from the Sun. This is a very high percentage, about what one might expect a snowball on Earth to reflect, so astronomers are scratching their heads trying to figure out what's going on. Be assured the scientific types will be spending a lot of time on this, and we'll be hearing more as time goes by.

The basics, however, have been pinned down. Eris has a highly elliptical 560-year orbit around the Sun, which places it three times as far away from the Sun as Pluto and about 100 times as far away from the Sun as Earth. It is so far away that someone standing on Eris would see the Sun as about the same size as any other star.

The surface temperature is close to absolute zero, which is about -459ºF or -273ºC. Spectroscopic analysis of the planet reveals methane ice, an unusual feature because such ice indicates a primitive surface which has not been heated significantly since the solar system was formed 4.5 billion years ago.

The planet's discoverers say that if the planet had ever gotten close to the Sun, all the methance ice would have boiled off right away. The only other plantary bodies in our solar system which have been measured with methane ice are Pluto and Neptune's moon Triton.

Eris also has a moon now named Dysnomia after the the daughter of Eris. Dysnomia is known as the spirit of lawlessness. This moon is about 250 kilometers in diameter and reflects only about 1 percent of the sunlight that reaches it.

The release of ephemerides for Eris marks the beginning of the fun for astrologers. The teaching in western astrology, the only astrological system in the world which accepts new planets, is that when a new planet is discovered and named, the archetype of that planet is available to everyone on Earth. The name of the planet counts, so does the planet's mythology and the story of the planet.

Because of this planet's slow orbit, everyone alive today has Eris in either Pisces or Aries. Thus the house placement rather than sign placement in the natal astrological chart will be the significant factor in determining Eris's meaning.

posted March 20, 2007 01:15 PM         

On the 6th of January, he wrote on his blog that according to several medical authorities, he was likely to have only between two days and two months left to live[12], closing his message with "I look forward without dogmatic optimism but without dread. I love you all and I deeply implore you to keep the lasagna flying. Please pardon my levity, I don't see how to take death seriously. It seems absurd." He died five days later, at 4:52 AM[13]. His remains were cremated on January 18 with his family holding memorial services on February 18, 2007 where his ashes were scattered at the same spot as his wife's on the waters of Monterey Bay. [14] [15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson

RAWilson.com

posted March 20, 2007 04:33 PM         

Go with the flow.

posted March 20, 2007 05:05 PM         

I remember it having such a profound effect on me. I was amazed at thinking about thinking in this "new way"

posted May 20, 2007 03:13 AM         

SOMETIME THIS YEAR!!!!! lol

It's cool that you downloaded that song and liked it. It specifically reminds me of a certain time in my life. It has a very nice flowing sound and I really enjoy the vocals.

Well, this thread isn't a rotten/stinky or disgusting thread, that is much better off left to decompose, so it will be a nice resurrection.

OMMMMMMMMM

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