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hippichick
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posted May 17, 2007 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
I am SO passionate about this subject,I originally posted on my myspace, I will post again here....


The next time you all go and bring someone from a foreign country and raise funds for an organ transplant....consider this...

Thousands of people die every year IN AMERICA waiting for organ transplants.

Deaths occur for potential organ recipients due largely to funding and for lack of donors.

It costs literally thousands of dollars every month to maintain an organ transplant...hearts and lungs cost more than kidneys, pancreas and livers...The medications to suppress the immune system are VERY expensive and VERY necessary to prevent organ rejection...

One must live a "clean" lifestyle after receiving an organ due to the suppression of the immune system. One must participate in scrupulous hygiene to prevent infections.

The boy you brought to America will return to Mexico to dirty, run down living conditions, and I do not suppose the Mexican government will supply him with his costly medications as they would not supply him with an organ....

Gee AMERICA why did you not go and build he and his family an EXTREAM home makeover while you were at it???

And if, America you consider providing a home in the United States for this boy and his family to maintain his health care---you and I, taxpayers will foot the bill for that one!!!

How noble of you to want to help, but how silly and wasteful of our organ resources!!!

I would urge each and every one of you who pledged funds for this child to donate your own organs!!!

I am a transplant ICU RN and I see death, degradation and illness every day here in our own country---please next time DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!!!!!!!!!

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trillian
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posted May 18, 2007 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a taxpayer. But I'll be happy to send that boy some extra money. Have an address?

And to you, hippichick, I will send some compassion.

God/dess doesn't recognize borders. Money is just...money. A commodity that literally grows on trees.

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Everything feels possible. Perhaps more is possible than we think. -P.H.

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26taurus
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posted May 18, 2007 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Hi hippichick,

Sorry, i'm not familiar with this boy.

Just wanted to tell you I rented this book from the library last week and thought of you today while reading it. Maybe you would like to check it out. I think it might help you and the people you help. Maybe youve already read it.

The Tibetan Book of the Living and Dying
by Sogyal Rinpoche

"What is it that I hope for from this book? To inspire a quiet revolution in the whole way we look at death and care for the dying, and the whole way we look at life and care for the living."
— the author, Sogyal Rinpoche

An acclaimed spiritual masterpiece, The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying is a manual for life and death, and a magnificent source of sacred inspiration from the heart of the Tibetan tradition. Sogyal Rinpoche delivers a lucid and inspiring introduction to the practice of meditation, to karma and rebirth, to care and love for the dying, and to the trials and rewards of the spiritual path. This jewel of Tibetan wisdom is the definitive new spiritual classic for our times.
Harper San Francisco

**from the foreward, by the Dalai Lama**

"No less significant than preparing for our own death is helping others to die well. As newborn babies each of us was helpless and, without the care and kindness we received then we would not have survived. Because the dyiing also are unable to help themselves, we should relieve them of discomfort and anxiety, and assist them, as far as we can, to die with composure.

Here the most important point is to avoid anything which will case the dying person's mind to become more disturbed then it may already be. Our prime aim in helping a dying person is to put them at ease, and there are many ways of doing this. "

In Part II there is a chapter on Spiritual Help for the Dying.

Thought i should mention this to you.

Be well.

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26taurus
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posted May 18, 2007 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
another one i checked out that might be of interest to you:
http://www.easydeathbook.com/

Easy Death

Death is utterly acceptable to consciousness and life. There has been endless time of numberless deaths, but neither consciousness nor life has ceased to arise. The felt quality and cycle to death has not modified the fragility of flowers, even the flowers within the human body.
Therefore, one's understanding of consciousness and life must be turned to That Utter, Inclusive Truth, That Clarity and Wisdom, That Power and Untouchable Gracefulness, That One and Only Reality, this evidence suggests.
— Avatar Adi Da Samraj


from the Prologue to Easy Death
Whether you are approaching your own death, facing the death of a loved-one, or are simply in need of understanding the purpose of this brief and mortal life, you will find in the pages of Easy Death a most extraordinary and unique Help — Real Help, not mere consolation or impermanent philosophy, given in the Wisdom, and in the human Form, of Avatar Adi Da Samraj.

For Adi Da Samraj was born in and as and from the "Bright" Reality in which there is neither birth nor death, and His entire lifetime has been spent unlocking that Ultimate Condition from limited views of the ego, in order to offer a way for anyone to Realize It directly.

His human body has endured and "seen" the entire death process and all the after-death states and has entered into What Is, Beyond all of that. There is, therefore, no greater Authority on matters of death and ultimate transcendence.

Read about Adi Da's Death Experiences and Events

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26taurus
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posted May 18, 2007 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
hello there, beautiful trillian.

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hippichick
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posted May 18, 2007 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
Trill and 26


My point is not to object death as it is to re-mind people as to their intentions!!!

I embrace death and, actually am seeking employment in hospice nursing!!!

My big rant is most due to the fact that people, in general, project their issues onto others...make others feel good or bad when they should make themsleves feel good first!!!

Silly Americans go and spend all of this money on something what will never be!!!

When the resouces could have been utilized elsewhere...

BTW---eventhough I am a transplant RN, I am in opposition of alot of organ transplants that occur...due to the aformentioned....

Blessings

Terri

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Mirandee
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posted May 18, 2007 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think that it would be cool to place American lives above the lives of anyone else. I think both are equally worth helping as far as monetary donations go.

The American medical profession itself is not always fair in who they give available organs to. When famous baseball player Mickey Mantle needed a liver transplant he was given special treatment and it was his years of drinking that caused his liver problems. Others, ordinary people, were ahead of him on the list.

Whereas us "silly" Americans are obviously more fair in who we help.

Do you get lots of stiff necks, hippiechick?

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hippichick
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posted May 18, 2007 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
"stiffnecks"???

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MysticMelody
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posted May 18, 2007 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
I think what she is trying to say is that it is the trend in America to ALWAYS do what makes them feel good, and jumping on the bandwagon to give money to a poor starving child makes the American feel like they are SUCH a good person. As someone who stands by in the energy fields of children she gets to know and care for, it seems wrong to her that anyone who, statistically and medically speaking, has a lesser chance of caring for this precious gift of life should receive it (instead of a little girl she is watching dying) just because there are a lot of morons in this world who see an email that says "SAVE THIS LITTLE BOY" who then pour their resources into a lost cause (so they can tell their friends what good people they are) instead of dealing with the actual reality of the issue and doing something worthwhile like donating their own organs or signing up for a bone marrow registry etc. EDITED TO SAY*and I am absolutely NOT referring to anyone here, I understand everyone's point of view and reactions here*

As far as "being worthy" goes... my personal opinion is that the people who are important are the people we love. If its my daughter or my sister who need the transplant, I don't care if its Mickey Mantle, poor little foreign child, or Will Save So Many More Souls Mother Theresa types who are up for the organ. If I'm choosing, its my sister and my daughter EVERY TIME.
So, I can see how she would value those she interacts with on daily basis above someone far away... though I also completely agree that that if medical/practical donor issues are not taken into account, it doesn't make a difference if it is a child from America or a child from Mexico.
Unless its MY child, of course.

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hippichick
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posted May 18, 2007 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
MM

Good response and I thank you for taking all things into consideration...

What I am really trying to say is that people take their own considerations into the forefront of things before they consider the whole picture...

I will go to my grave "preaching" the whys and where for's of healthcare because I am there...

But the symbolism is SO evident in American society....

It seems to me that society in general is for lack of self-substance! Lack of introspection...lack of self-love!!! What we deem unavailable in ourselves we tend to project onto others....as a lack of them giving to us...

And the boy from Mexico is a mere example of this....what we as an American society lack, collectively, compassion, healing, giving TO OURSELVES is projected onto someone/something that will never manifest!!!

What a waste of resources...money, organs, time, effort....

The symbolism of America trying to reach out to a foreign child is HUGE!!!

Why can not we, as a collective society, see this???

We MUST first take care of our own...and that comes first from taking care of ourselves, each and every one unto we/me...

I have multiple expamples of families urging mom and/or dad to have very difficult surgeries, while mom and dad are aged and dying anyway, and what I see is the families insecurity and lack of self-introspection and the families inability to let go....cause the family members have unresolved issues of their own...

Again an example of a greater problem with society....

T~~~

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26taurus
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posted May 18, 2007 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Believe it or not, hippichick,
i did understand what you were trying to say

from your very first post.


Peace.

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hippichick
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posted May 18, 2007 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
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hippichick
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posted May 18, 2007 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
O, and Mirandee--

Countless examples I have of homeless individuals offered organs, usually livers due to their substance abuse...

So, great...we go and offer a body part of some one who has passed on...someone who was loved....someone who was way more than an "organ." To...someone who cannot provide the aftercare that the intervention calls for???

Again...I beg!!!!

Please, people think before you act!!!

Again...my stance is (American) healthcare but it is SO symbolic of what is going on in the world 2day....

Blessings

T~!~!~

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