posted August 19, 2007 06:34 PM         

Other witnesses (explosives going off before the plane crash)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IqSsTmWv7k

And he had a commission of 32 witnesses for this whole matter who were never called forward.

I think scientific experts ought to conduct an experiment to find out more about this matter!

posted August 19, 2007 09:28 PM         

well all i can say .. that is after watching bbc's investigation ..
and a similar one on channel 4 ... (investigative journalism )
i.e. looking at the facts availble and doing scientific tests ..
well even a school kid with some rudimentary science knowledge..
could see the facts ..
for a start that thing about the puffs of smoke coming from the towers ..
i mean just think of those falling floors ..
the resultant air pressure has to go somewhere ..
out the windows that were broken would be the first vent option ..
think of a hole in a concertina .. what happens when it's squeezed ?
i really hate to say this .. and americans please don't be offended ..
BUT the population of the usa has to be amongnst the most paranoid on this planet ..
conspiracy theories abound and multiply at a moments notice ..

posted August 25, 2007 07:57 PM         

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The official version - 9-11 Commission Report - holds that on the morning of 11 September, 2001 a major defence [sic] training exercise was taking place.

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Interestingly, a greater density of war-game exercises took place on the morning of 9/11 than ever before in US history. How odd! One could almost think this might be planned, in an effort to disguise the real attacks that were known to be taking place on that morning.

I've read and seen many reports that Cheney had taken command of NORAD from the bunker under the White House on the morning of 9/11, too. Funny.

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A passenger airline had not been hijacked in the USA since 1979 - and all of a sudden there were now four at once with many other reports of suspect flights.

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There were, however, over 100 (can't recall the exact number) intercepts the year before, in 2000, with an 100% rate of accuracy. No hijackings, perhaps, but it's not like NORAD or the US Airforce is hurting for practice.

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Also, the hijackers switched off the aircraft transponders - making the planes much more difficult to trace as they diverted from their scheduled flight paths.

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This is why RADAR is so great. Unfortunately, several of the exercises taking place that morning involved the insinuation of false RADAR blips that made the task of tracking hijacked planes much more difficult.

Funny, too, that some of the exercises taking place that morning involved the hijacking of planes and crashing of them into buildings... (And then you have Rice, Cheney, Bush, all saying that "No one could have anticipated this sort of attack!!"

Does anyone really believe that all one has to do to bypass NORAD is turn off the transponder? Really?

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Those questioning this account point to the lateral puffs of smoke that emerged from the towers just ahead of their collapse. Could these be explosive devices planted as part of a conspiracy?

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They could be, they could not be. It's not the main issue, and I think that presenting it as such is something of a straw-man fallacy. How about all the eye-witness accounts of explosions? Watch HSC's video!!

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As for the fuel temperature - the official explanation holds that whilst steel does indeed melt at 1,500 degrees Celsius, it loses half its strength at a much lower temperature of 650 degrees Celsius.

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Pools of molten steel, at temperatures of over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit, were found beneath the rubble weeks later, when the debris were being cleared. How did the steel get that hot, if jet fuel burns at no greater than 1,500 degrees?

Dr. Steven Jones, physics professor at BYU, has written extensively about this. He discovered traces of thermite, and, by virtue of mysterious traces of sulfur, the patented version of thermite, thermate, in a sample of the molten steel taken from the site. Thermate is a steel-cutting tool used in the demolition of buildings, and one of its byproducts is molten steel.

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With the intense fires burning unabated, the steel structure supporting the building was fatally weakened. But the FEMA investigators conceded that this hypothesis had a low probability of occurring.

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And has never happened in the history of steel buildings. Ever. Anywhere in the world. There was a steel structure in Spain, forget the name, that burned for 18 hours straight without collapsing.

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Building 7 was not hit by a plane, but there were fires raging on Floors 8, 11, 12, 13, and 18. Those floors, in order: the American Express Bank, the Securities and Exchange Commission, Standard Chartered Bank and City Group. Those are four financial institutions. Is that a coincidence?
http://911truth.tribe.net/thread/e5f79600-1eca-4ef4-a455-eeba39e28518

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Were Jews forewarned about the attacks?

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Stupid, and I'm not even going to bother. I think the reason they present this as one of the main questions (it's not remotely) is an attempt to discredit the entire group. I see this happening with a rather disturbing degree of regularity, such as in the PM article.

However, there were several confirmed reports of prominent government and other officials who were warned against flying or attending work around this time. Ashcroft stopped flying in July '01 on a reported terrorist warning, and there were several others, as well.

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Dylan Avery, director of the hugely popular internet film Loose Change, argues that Flight 93 landed elsewhere, with the passengers abducted as part of an elaborate government plot.

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Again, I think this is ridiculous, and to present it as though it were a majorly supported 'conspiracy theory' is rather shoddy journalism, at best.

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"Within 9/11 there are too many secrets," he said, "and that withholding of those secrets has eroded public confidence in their government as it relates to their own security."

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Funny how Bush and Cheney agreed to testify to the 9/11 commission only on their own terms: they appear together, not under oath, no family members or press present, no transcript, and no recording device of any kind. If you see the footage of Bush being asked about this, it's almost hilarious how clumsily he dodges the question.

I'd like to point out that this document doesn't even address remotely all of the questions asked by those seeking an independent investigation of 9/11, and to write off the whole movement on it's account borders almost on willful blindness, in my opinion. If you want to really learn anything, you have to do your own research; don't just rely on an authority figure like the mass media to spoon feed your information to you.

Do some research, and you won't be so quick to write off those 'conspiracy theorists.'

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i really hate to say this .. and americans please don't be offended ..
BUT the population of the usa has to be amongnst the most paranoid on this planet ..
conspiracy theories abound and multiply at a moments notice ..

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If you knew more about American history, you'd understand why. World War I and the Lusitania, World War 2 and Pearl Harbor, Vietnam and the Gulf of Tonkin incident..., there's a very long list of false flag operations used to manipulate the perceptions of the American people and get us into wars that we have no business being in. Hell, look at Operation Northwoods, that Kennedy vetoed.

"We are opposed on all sides by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence... its dissenters are silenced..."

-JFK, presumably before he was gunned down.

"They must find it difficult, those who have taken the authority as truth, rather than truth as the authority."

posted August 25, 2007 09:29 PM         

Mayor Willy Brown of SF received a warning on Sept 10 not to fly, due to 'terrorist threats.'

Author Salman Rushdie was also warned not to fly on the morning of 9/11.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff had a meeting scheduled for the morning of 9/11, but the day before, they received a warning and canceled their flights to NY.

This has all been in the major media - you can bring the stories up with some digging. Coincidentally, you never hear it mentioned anymore, though.

posted August 26, 2007 12:19 PM         

i get your point .. :-)
interesting read ..

pearl harbour was a false flag operation ???

** look at Operation Northwoods, that Kennedy vetoed.**
cheers .. i read the link provided in another thread ..
interesting read for sure ..

re paranoid populations ..
yeah .. be just my mood that day i guess ..
and thinking about some folks i'd met on travels around the usa ..

posted August 26, 2007 12:40 PM         

the following is a nothing but the links page might have some you have not seen, (over 100 total):
http://www.planetwavesweekly.com/resources/pworlds911.html

AT THE MOMENT Flight 11 was crashed into the World Trade Center, the planet Mercury, named for the winged, fleeting messenger of the gods, was rising exactly on the eastern horizon. Like the moment of sunrise begins the day, on Sept. 11, Mercury -- though invisible because of daylight -- peered over the gates of dawn and changed our view of history. This image may not seem to speak of the horrors experienced by thousands of people, many of whom watched from inside their offices as airliners hit the buildings, and millions of others who watched the catastrophe unfold on live television. But Mercury had a lot to say on Sept. 11, and it's likely we'll be interpreting its messages for many years to come. Or, let's hope so.

Mercury rising, in this position, was exactly Trine Saturn, which is in its extremely tense, historical and once-per-33-year opposition to Pluto. We think of Saturn-Pluto as being full of change, devastation, sound and fury: out it came, wreaking havoc in some local areas, but mainly, pouring through the mental plane and the global media networks via the planet of communication.

Mercury, incidentally, also played the starring role in the botched presidential election of Nov. 7, 2000, stopping stone cold at the end of a 24-day retrograde half an hour before the polls closed in Dade County, Florida. This event, called a planetary station, took place in the last degree of Libra that particular evening, when so much went awry. On Oct. 1, Mercury again stations, this time on its way to being retrograde, in precisely that degree of the zodiac. This is an unusual enough astronomical event, two stations in one degree within a short time; astrologically, it would seem too strange to be a coincidence. The bizarre story of Nov. 7, 2000, seemingly ended by the U.S. Supreme Court, buried forever beneath the rubble of the World Trade Center and lost in the Commander in Chief executing his solemn duties, is far from over. Yet whether overt political events outwardly link the two dates, they are directly connected in the cosmos of the unseen.

and for more about the astrology I find this interesting: http://www.mcn.org/greatbear/wtc.htm

posted August 26, 2007 12:58 PM         

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Not a fake attack, so much, but we know today that Roosevelt had ample warning of it, and chose to let it happen so that US public opinion (which was very anti-war following the first world war) would shift. He wanted the US in the war, and Pearl Harbor gave him just the excuse he needed.

Moreover, he froze Japanese assets in the US, halted petroleum exports to Japan, and started funding Britain and China in an effort to provoke the Japanese into launching the first strike.

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cheers .. i read the link provided in another thread ..
interesting read for sure

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And if they'll do it once, who's to say they won't again? False flag attacks are nothing new. Really, if 9/11 was a legitimate terrorist attack, it would be the exception to the norm.

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yeah .. be just my mood that day i guess ..
and thinking about some folks i'd met on travels around the usa ..

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They were probably CIA agents!!!