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SunChild
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posted July 25, 2007 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs

1 to move it to the Lighting section

2 to argue then move it to the Electricals section

7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs

5 to flame the spell checkers

3 to correct spelling/grammar flames

6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ...

... another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid

3 standards zealots to point out that light bulbs have been deprecated in the LB 2.1 spec

1 to call upon everybody to ignore this deprecation

2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"

15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct

19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum

11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum

36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty

7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs

4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's

3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group

13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too"

5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy

4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"

1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again

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SattvicMoon
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posted July 25, 2007 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SattvicMoon     Edit/Delete Message

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cat71
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posted July 25, 2007 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cat71     Edit/Delete Message
LMAO -

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Randall
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posted August 11, 2007 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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"There is no use trying," said Alice; "one can't believe impossible things." "I dare say you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll

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naiad
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posted August 12, 2007 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
dear Sunchild ~

this forum is not about lightbulbs, therefore, please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum.

thanks,
naiad

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sunshine9
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posted August 12, 2007 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message
naiad,

I'd also like to add, SunChild, that lightbulbs are not to be posted about 'lightly' - they can be pretty dangerous & must be handled with care. Please add some warning statements for those who may not be aware of the dangers.

Thanks,
Sunshine

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fayte.m
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posted August 12, 2007 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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26taurus
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posted August 12, 2007 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Did you know:

"In 1802 Humphry Davy had what was then the most powerful battery in the world at the Royal Institution of Great Britain. In that year he created the first incandescent light by passing the current through a thin strip of platinum, chosen because the metal had an extremely high melting point. It was not bright enough nor did it last long enough to be practical, but it was the precedent behind the efforts of scores of experimenters over the next 75 years until Thomas Edison's creation of the first practical incandescent lamp in 1879.[3] In 1809 Davy created the first arc lamp by making a small but blinding electrical connection between two charcoal rods connected to a 2000 cell battery. Demonstrated to the Royal Institution in 1810, the invention came to be known as the Arc lamp." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb

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26taurus
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posted August 12, 2007 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
&:

Standard light bulbs will lose up to 45% of their light output with use. However, you continue to pay for the full wattage of the bulb! For example, a 100 watt bulb on 12 hours a day will give about 55 watts of light after 5 weeks of use. Meanwhile, you still pay for 100 watts of electricity! Then, in about ten weeks the bulb will burn out! This is why when you replace a bulb, the new bulb is much brighter than the one you just replaced.
The new energy saving bulbs lose only 10% to 15% of their light output and last about 2 1/2 years when on 12 hours a day...Over 27 years if used less than one hour per day! These bulbs realize up to 76% savings in electricity and energy.

EXPECTED LIFE OF STANDARD BULBS: 750 hours
EXPECTED LIFE OF NEW BULBS: 10,000 hours or 15,000 hours !
The Lamp Life is printed on each bulb's box.
DID YOU KNOW that 90% of the energy used by a 1928 designed bulb creates heat?! Only 10% of the energy produces light.

DID YOU KNOW that Quartz lights are not much better than the 1928 light bulb? Quartz bulbs only save you about $6.00 off the electric bill by the time they burn out.
DID YOU KNOW that Dimmer Switches can only save around 10% when dimming a bulb all the way down. In fact, if your dimmer switch is warm to the touch, then it is not saving you anything. You get less light when paying more.
DID YOU KNOW that when you shut the lights you not only save on the electric bill, you also save BTUs for your air conditioning. Approximately 3.4 BTUs are saved for every watt no longer in use and not giving off heat. There are 12,000 BTUs per ton, thus using more efficient lighting will make the indoor environment more comfortable and save even more on the electric bill when the air conditioning is calculated in.
DID YOU KNOW that America's economy grew over 60% from 1982 to 1998, while our energy consumption remained the same! This data cited from E-The Environmental Magazine; January 1998, proves that energy savings steps really work when done right.

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By just changing a light bulb you will not only save yourself money but drums of oil for America! Reports prove that if everyone in a given state were to use energy saving light bulbs instead of the 1928 design bulbs still used today, we would be able to shut down power plants in that state! One high efficient energy saving bulb eliminates, over its lifetime, 524 pounds of coal or approximately 350 pounds of carbon or saves almost half a barrel of oil!

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26taurus
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posted August 12, 2007 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

A) Bulb: Soft glass is generally used. Hard glass is used for some lamps to withstand higher bulb temperatures and for added protection against bulb breakage due to moisture. Bulbs are made in various shapes and finishes. Click to view various incandescent light bulb shapes.
B) Filament: The filament material is generally tungsten. The filament may be a straight wire, a coil or a coiled-coil. Click to see various types of filaments and sample products that use the filaments.
C) Lead-In Wires: Made of copper from base to stem press and nickel-plated copper or nickel from stem press to filament, they carry the current to the filament.
D) Tie Wires: Molybdenum wires support lead-in wires.
E) Stem Press: The lead-in wires in the glass have an air tight seal here and are made of a nickel-iron alloy core and a copper sleeve (Dumet wire) to assure about the same coefficient of expansion as the glass.
F) Exhaust Tubes: Air is exhausted out of and inert gases are introduced into the bulb through this tube during manufacturing. The tube, which originally projects beyond the bulb, is then sealed off short enough to be capped by the base.
G) Base: This is where electrical contact is made. One lead-in wire is soldered to the center contact and the other soldered or welded to the upper rim of the base shell. Made of brass or aluminum. Click here to view various base types and some sample light bulbs that use the bases.
H) Gas: A mixture of nitrogen and argon is used in most lamps 40 watts and over. Gas slows down the evaporation of the filament.
I) Support Wires: Molybdenum wires support the filament.
J) Button: Glass is heated during manufacturing and support and tie wires placed in it.
K) Button Rod: Glass rod supports the button.
L) Heat Deflector: Used in higher wattage general service lamps and other types when needed to reduce circulation of hot gasses into neck of bulb.
M) Fuse: Protects the lamp and circuit by blowing if the filament arcs.
http://www.goodmart.com/facts/light_bulbs/incan_diagram.aspx

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Azalaksh
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posted August 12, 2007 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message

I find this discussion defamatory to light bulbs!!!

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26taurus
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posted August 12, 2007 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

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26taurus
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posted August 12, 2007 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
lol, Zala!

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fayte.m
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posted August 12, 2007 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
26taurus
I was about to post the same thing!
Seems we both had the same "bright" idea!


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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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26taurus
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posted August 12, 2007 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
here you go sunshine9:
http://www.ehow.com/how_370_change-lightbulb.html

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26taurus
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posted August 12, 2007 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Haha! fayte, two heads, one lightbulb!

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sunshine9
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posted August 12, 2007 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message
26taurus!

Here's more on how to safely change a light bulb:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IOvrv2YOMw

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26taurus
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posted August 12, 2007 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
lol

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fayte.m
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posted August 12, 2007 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message


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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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fayte.m
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posted August 12, 2007 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
LIGHT BULB

Lexigram words:

BI BIB BIG BIGHT BILL BIT BLIGHT BUB BUG BUILT BULB BULL BUT GILL GILT GIT GLIB GLUT GUILT GULL GUT HI HILL HILT HIT HUB HUG HULL HUT I ILL IT LIB LIGHT LILT LIT LL LUG THUG TI TIL TILL TUB TUG UGH UH

LIGHT BULB
Anagrams:
BIGHT BULL
BULB LIGHT

Lexigram:
I LIT BIG BUG LIGHT
BIG BUG HIT IT
UGH

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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26taurus
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posted August 12, 2007 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

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CoralFrequency
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posted August 15, 2007 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message

Shouldn't this be on a light bulb forum?

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fayte.m
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posted August 15, 2007 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE (Debbie Boone)

So many nights I sit by my window
Waiting for someone to sing me his song
So many dreams I kept deep inside me
Alone in the dark but now
You've come along

You light up my life
You give me hope
To carry on
You light up my days
and fill my nights with song

Rollin' at sea, adrift on the water
Could it be finally I'm turning for home?
Finally, a chance to say hey,
I love You
Never again to be all alone

You light up my life
You give me hope
To carry on
You light up my days
and fill my nights with song

You light up my life
You give me hope
To carry on
You light up my days
and fill my nights with song

It can't be wrong
When it feels so right
'Cause You
You light up my life


Can you imagine a world without electricity and 24 hour illumination?

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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Eleanore
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posted August 15, 2007 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Numerologically ...

light bulbs

14, 5

"14
Movement…Challenge
Magnetic communication with the public through writing, publishing, and all media-related matters is associated with the 14. Periodic changes in business and partnerships of all kinds are usually beneficial. Dealing with speculative matters brings luck; likewise, movement and travel associated with combinations of people and nations can be fortunate. However, both gains and losses are sometimes temporary, due to the strong currents of change, which are ever-present. 14 warns of danger from accidents related to natural elements, i.e.: fire, flood, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tempests, and so forth. (This is not an absolute, merely a warning to be cautious.) There is risk involved in depending on the word of those who misrepresent a situation. It's a mistake to rely on others. Rely on the intuition, the self, the voice within. The "luck" of 14 includes money dealings and speculative projects, or "betting," but there's always a danger of loss due to wrong advice from others, or overconfidence."

or

lightbulbs

32, 5

"32
Communication
The Compound number has the same magical power to sway masses of people as the 14, the same help from those in high positions as the 23. Add all this to the natural ability to charm others with magnetic speech, and it's clear why 32 is sometimes known, by modernizing the symbolism of the ancients as "the politician's vibration." The complexities of advertising, writing, publishing, radio, and television are not always, but usually are an open book to the 32 person, who tends to work well under pressure. But there's a warning note sounded within this seemingly happy melody. 32 is a very fortunate number if the person it represents holds inflexibly to his or her own opinions and judgment in both artistic or intangible matters and material matters. If not, the plans are liable to be wrecked by the stubbornness and stupidity of others."

5 corresponds to Gemini. Please see your copy of Star Signs for more information if necessary.


And please, let's don't discriminate against any of the other light bulbs in the world. In Spanish, they prefer to be called "bombillos" while in Japanese they prefer to be called "denkyuu". I'm sure lightbulbs the world over would love to be remembered in any discussion about lightbulbs.

Also, it appears that light bulbs may not be so great after all and may soon be replaced by LEDs.

Expert: LEDs could start replacing lightbulbs soon

Approximately 22 percent of the electricity consumed in the United States goes toward lighting, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

To make matters worse, traditional lightbulbs are incredibly inefficient. Only about 5 percent of the energy that goes into them turns into light. The majority gets dissipated as heat.

If 25 percent of the lightbulbs in the U.S. were converted to LEDs putting out 150 lumens per watt (higher than the commercial standard now), the U.S. as a whole could save $115 billion in utility costs, cumulatively, by 2025, said DenBaars, and it would alleviate the need to build 133 new coal-burning power stations.

In turn, carbon emissions in the atmosphere would go down by 258 million metric tons.

"Multiply that by three and you get the worldwide savings," he stated. DenBaars then showed a picture of the globe at night. The landmass of the U.S. could easily be picked out by nighttime lights."

(See the whole article at the provided link.)

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26taurus
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posted August 15, 2007 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
And please, let's don't discriminate against any of the other light bulbs in the world. In Spanish, they prefer to be called "bombillos" while in Japanese they prefer to be called "denkyuu". I'm sure lightbulbs the world over would love to be remembered in any discussion about lightbulbs.

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