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Topic: What heals??????????????????
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Solane Star
Knowflake Posts: 5378
From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted August 02, 2007 08:40 PM
 
What heals? “Paradoxically, a group of humans becomes healing and converting only after its members have learned to stop trying to heal and convert. Community is a safe place precisely because no one is attempting to heal or convert you, to fix you, to change you. Instead, the members accept you as you are. You are free to be you. And being so free, you are free to discard defenses, masks, disguises; free to seek your own psychological and spiritual health; free to become your whole and holy self.” -- Scott Peck IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 9809
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 02, 2007 08:57 PM
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What heals?“Paradoxically, a group of humans becomes healing and converting only after its members have learned to stop trying to heal and convert. Community is a safe place precisely because no one is attempting to heal or convert you, to fix you, to change you. Instead, the members accept you as you are. You are free to be you. And being so free, you are free to discard defenses, masks, disguises; free to seek your own psychological and spiritual health; free to become your whole and holy self.” -- Scott Peck 
To a pretty concept. 
Ahhh...the Utopian Ideal! 
But an unrealistic dream in "real life".
However it can work in small segregated "communities" comprised of like minded individuals so little chance of clashing occurs. Like retreats and so forth. of small groups. However "real life" communities are comprised of clashers. It simply cannot work in the big picture.------------------
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26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 13411
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Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 03, 2007 10:36 PM
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Xodian
Moderator Posts: 1699
From: Canada
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted August 03, 2007 11:22 PM
Wonder how Scott Peck's views would change if he enlightened himself with the concept of pedophilia.IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 9809
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 04, 2007 12:58 AM
Xodian...
I get what you mean I think. 
One person's ideal world is another person's Hell.
How can we accept others who's values or lifestyles are in conflict with our own? I do not mean little things, but things which invade our personal space or our sensibilities. I do not want to live near a boom boxing 4 wheeling beer guzzling bunch of jerks with their pick up trucks guns and dogs.
Personally I think some folks take the idea of free to be themselves way to far. When their freedom, as they think of it, infringes upon my space, that is not an ideal community. Without respect for the space of others there is no peaceful community. The world is to crowded for folks to each blissfully do their own things and expect to not clash.
The concept is nice but it simply cannot work
on a large scale.
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~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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Mirandee
Knowflake Posts: 4812
From: South of the Thumb - Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted August 04, 2007 03:42 AM
Fayte,I agree with what you said about not accepting the behavior of some folks in society. However, I think maybe Xodian is referring to the fact that up until his death, Scott Peck, was a psychiatrist and Christian author who wrote many articles for the National Catholic Review and did a lot of talks and siminars and authored many books and who was himself a Roman Catholic convert. Which can mean only one thing. Like all of us Roman Catholics he either was a pediphile or advocated pediphilia because a small percentage of priests out of hundreds of thousands of priests in his chosen religion have been charged with that crime. Just as all Muslims are either terrorists or advocate terrorism because a small percentage of them are and do. It's really all the same kind of narrow minded thinking used to guise anti- religious sentiments and predjudices. I could be wrong about what Xodian meant to imply. Hard to judge sound bites and the meaning behind them. Hopefully I am wrong. IP: Logged |
Xodian
Moderator Posts: 1699
From: Canada
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted August 04, 2007 04:37 AM
Actually you're both right (though Mirandee brought up a very valid point that also proves why Scott Peck failed to look at the bigger picture.When we start accepting every so called "free" act in soceity, we end up accepting it as the norm of that community; and that includes the harm that conisides with some of the more devious acts. The Ancient Romans are known for many great things, including the creation of Democratic ideals. Yet we all do remember them for their Babaric lust for violect Gladatioric specticles. And thus the same can be said about religion. Right now, negitive acts (even as they might be commited by a small group) ahve end up becomming labels for the whole religious community and that IMO really sucks considering the fact that these acts controdict the very ideals those religions stand up for. Oh there is a limit to how much freedom a person can have without inciting total chaos and anarchy. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 9809
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 04, 2007 10:00 AM
Xodian
Excellent observations!
Mirandee I am not pointing fingers at Roman Catholics.
However in my own personal experience I have encountered perversions involving minors committed by Clergy, Catholic. Baptist, Methodist, Nazarine, and the list goes on.
I saw a study that does indicate such depravities are by percentile, more prevalent amongst clergymen than the general population.
Like Xodian indicated, it is too bad a few deviates put their mark on the reputation of those religious institutions.
Xodian I totally agree with you! I have bolded and or italicized some of your words and fixed typos. quote:
When we start accepting every so called "free" act in society, we end up accepting it as the norm of that community; and that includes the harm that coincides with some of the more devious acts. The Ancient Romans are known for many great things, including the creation of Democratic ideals. Yet we all do remember them for their Barbaric lust for violent Gladiatorial spectacles.And thus the same can be said about religion. Right now, negative acts (even as they might be committed by a small group) have ended up becoming labels for the whole religious community and that IMO really sucks considering the fact that these acts contradict the very ideals those religions stand up for. Oh there is a limit to how much freedom a person can have without inciting total chaos and anarchy.
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 04, 2007 10:05 AM
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