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Node
Knowflake Posts: 1162
From: Crowded House
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted September 25, 2007 10:19 AM
 
On 9/11 LL was closed in observance of a national tragedy: Many of you (like me) might have taken a trip over to the Astro-D forum to take a peek. I have not looked in there for a couple months. Reason? I just plain do not like the vibe, or the tone of the frequent posters. They have 8,000 or so members, so it is only natural with any web society that they have their share of kooks, flamers, and socially challenged types. My point? here is how a mod responded to a poem by a poster:Mr. moderator why did you delete my poem for the Equinox?
Myrios
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Re: Astro***Astronomy ~ Inspired Communications ~~
« Reply #4 - on: 23.09.2007 at 22:23 [UT+0] » Quote from Myrios on 23.09.2007 at 22:12 [UT+0]:
Mr. moderator why did you delete my poem for the Equinox?
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Please, express yourself in your favorite poetry forum. Get yourself a blog, maybe.* While I understand some of the rigidity of the forum (chatting is discouraged) I went back there today and saw this. Made me think about how much I appreciate this site. With all of the different areas and subjects where we can interact w/ out such rigidity. Just a thought. Also- it is pretty obvious that I like to cut and paste articles/info written by others that I feel LL's would appreciate. One of my most recent was Copy Rited material that I thought about for 2 days before I posted it. I figured w/ such a tiny (in comparison) community the writer might not mind. A poster on Astro-D pasted the same article, and got called on it. They discourage pasting. So, here is to Linda Land!
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naiad
Knowflake Posts: 1645
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posted September 25, 2007 10:56 AM
agreed...  LL is pretty good about censorship, and sensible moderators most of the time, comparatively speaking.  IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 25, 2007 11:15 AM
I cheer for LindaLand as well.But with regards to copyright, I will have to disagree here. This is a serious issue, and if anyone proceeds with legal proceedings, the forum owners, admin and a few moderators as well can be in trouble. It takes a bit of time to provide a link to the source in most cases or atleast suggest the owner name or web site. quote:
Well here is what I get if someone decides to sue because we used their copyrighted material.• Up to 5 years in prison.
• Fines (I think the highest one out there is 45,000 dollars)
• Shut down of the website.
• Or a combination of the above.
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court rules moderators liable for forum comments
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naiad
Knowflake Posts: 1645
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posted September 25, 2007 11:20 AM
would a german law apply to a U.S. website?just wondering...is the internet an international forum...or.... how does that work? curiosity. IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 25, 2007 11:22 AM
Internet is global, doesn't matter if it is US site or Indian site or German site. If the court rules, there could be some global legal proceedings which might lead to blocking or even removing the website as such. The promoters might escape the monetary fines or other such actions, but the web site stand to suffer.On the same scale as we all love LindaLand, it also requires the members to add on to value. Yes, we are all adding value with our thoughts, and discussions, but by also knowing such legal hazzles, it helps us to keep ourself safe (as a community). IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 1162
From: Crowded House
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted September 25, 2007 11:24 AM
Oh Moonie I totally agree! And like I said I thought long and hard about it. Obviously I thought I would "get away with it" which is childish on my part. When someone writes something and even goes to the lengths to copyrite it- that should be taken seriously. IP: Logged |
naiad
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posted September 25, 2007 11:24 AM
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Internet is global, doesn't matter if it is US site or Indian site or German site. If the court rules, there could be some global legal proceedings which might lead to blocking or even removing the website as such.
wow...interesting, i didn't know that! IP: Logged |
Xodian
Moderator Posts: 1699
From: Canada
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted September 25, 2007 11:24 AM
Under the international Copyright infrigment charges as applied by interpol it would but then there is a whole appeal process one can go through to be tried on U.S. soil instead of Germany. As harsh as the other forum may come off as, I actually welcome strict rules on posting. You have NO idea as to how blatetly tasteless some forums become with over posting on totally dry material. Seems like people can't apply self moderation on their own in some cases *Le sigh.* IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 25, 2007 11:26 AM
Node, but I agree with you completely when you said posting little snippets. Information needs to be shared, that is my stance as well..... but law is either black or white! hahahaha------------------
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Node
Knowflake Posts: 1162
From: Crowded House
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted September 25, 2007 11:26 AM
*blatetly tasteless some forums become * oh yes I do! i.e. Band sites in particular....laughsIP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 25, 2007 11:28 AM
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Under the international Copyright infrigment charges as applied by interpol it would but then there is a whole appeal process one can go through to be tried on U.S. soil instead of Germany.
That makes it even scarier!  IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 1162
From: Crowded House
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted September 25, 2007 11:36 AM
Moonie: Thanks for the education. Not only Will I never do it again - since this is a LL appreciation thread I would not want to harm the site! I will go back and delete that material....thank you.  IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 25, 2007 11:43 AM
Node, just put a link to the source article, or give appropriate credit to the source/author. Sharing /Copying is not really the problem if properly acknowledged the due credit.Moreover, the copyright laws are in place to prevent any "commercial" use of the original material. So using it for discussion purpose, really is not a serious offence though legally it is still a problem. IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 1162
From: Crowded House
Registered: Nov 2005
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posted September 25, 2007 11:45 AM
I always credit the author- but if they expressly say you have to ask for permission then a link is not cool either is it? Even though we are not commercial.IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 25, 2007 11:50 AM
That is mostly applicable for commercial use (when we stand to gain from it monetarily or personally[fame]) of that information. As I mentioned, law is either black or white, but practically (and personally) I would share such information by providing a link.IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Knowflake Posts: 6485
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted September 25, 2007 01:29 PM
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Information needs to be shared
I agree, whether copyrighted or someone's personal intellectual property. I self-regulate: if I'm cutting/pasting, I always give the source of the quote -- definitely the author, and additionally the book/article/website if I have it.I can't see how anyone posting snippets of copyrighted material at this website could stand to gain financially -- and THAT is the main reason for copyright laws, isn't it?? I don't see putting quotes up here from astrology books as much different from a library, where you can go in and read, or put a few pages on the copy machine. If I were an astro author, I'd be thrilled at the FREE advertising of my work that happens here 
I wonder how many *additional* astrology books an author sells because someone here recommends a book to someone else here?? Note: It doesn't hurt to ask posters to provide their sources. It's not fair to readers to be led into believing that a quote that was posted is the poster's *own* thoughts. **and edit** If I'm interpreting copyright rules too loosely for LL purposes, I hope Randall lays out some guidelines..... Also, it's not difficult to use the "quoting" function here, that displays someone's words inside two bars (as at the top of this post). It's as easy to use the quote-tags (put [ QUOTE ] -- without spaces inside the brackets -- at the beginning of your quote and [ /QUOTE ] -- without spaces inside the brackets -- at the end of your quote) as it is to use carats or quotation marks or to write the word Quote:
And it's a heckuva lot easier to see where the quote ends and the poster's thoughts begin!! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 11943
From: Pleasanton, CA, USA
Registered: May 2005
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posted September 25, 2007 09:20 PM
I just want to say briefly that while astrodienst's forum is a bit on the boring side for me, whenever I'm really curious about something in astrological terms it's a good resource. Also, if you want to try your hand at interpretation, there are loads of people there wanting your opinion.  IP: Logged |
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