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ListensToTrees
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posted February 21, 2008 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
When I am hurt by someone, I am VERY hurt. (You can be assured that Moon conjunct Pluto guarantees this). I can get so hurt I can go absolutely ballistic at them. In the case of the internet, it's not so bad as there is time to think before one types, but trust,me, in my personal life it's not so easy.
I grew up around a lot of arguing.
But underneath my spiky, sharp knived tongue, the cold depths of Pluto and sarcasm of Gemini, I've always been a lot more sensitive than most.

Most people have never seen this side of me and never will. Only my close family ever get to see it, but admittedly, they are a very difficult bunch indeed.
Their way of thinking is totally different to mine. I've even wondered whether I'm from a different planet.

I grew up around terrible, constant arguing. I hate disharmony, hate it so much I avoid it if I can.

However, on the few, rare occasions when I have felt very upset by something online....
Once I have calmed down, I find that when I go back at re-read what was said, it no longer has any effect on me.
I feel cool, calm and detached, even though at the time my heart may have been pounding at the anxiety of it all and may have kept me awake the whole night.

This is what happens, when one surrenders their own personal ego and walks the path of trying to attempt to see things from all different perspectives.

It is very liberating.

Please don't think that when I share stuff like this, these ramblings, that I am trying to say I am any better than anyone else- on the contrary.

The way I look at life- everybody has their own strengths and weaknesses.
We just have different ones.

It is for this reason, I feel in my heart that every human, indeed every creature, has something to teach, something they can share with the world.
It doesn't matter who it is.
They can even be our worst enemy!

I admire those who are not afraid to be open. When we are completely open with others, we can learn more than at any other time. This is why it is so important to treat each other gently. I believe very strongly in the words of Ghandii and others like him- that we should endeavor to practice non-violence in every aspect of our life, including our speech. I personally have such a long way to go, but the truth of the messages from these teachers resonates so powerfully in my heart and soul.

People are simply not gentle with each other at all, and this is why so many of us feel the need to wear our masks.
We've learned that we have to, that it is necessary to our very survival.

There is more to life than this, and we can break free of it.

We can reach for the truth.
We can reach for that ever-shining light.

We don't need to be afraid anymore, of who we are.
Each and every one of us has our strengths and weaknesses.

The path of non-violence is the way to freedom.

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Xodian
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posted February 21, 2008 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm, let me present a different view point:

Disharmonay shall always be the prime point of any existing object; Even science proves that Lol! One of the laws of thermodynamics. Chaos is inevidable for through chaos comes order and a new form of understanding. It all goes through a periodic cycle and that won't change unless we destory a vital part of ourselves: Our ability to feel, our passions, and our own individuality... Everything that makes us human.

I rather have harmony and disharmony exist in cycles to balance each other out so can appreciate the existance and the benifits each of these events provide.

Besides, haven't you heard? Harmony is overrated .

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posted February 21, 2008 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I agree, Xodian, but teachers like Buddha, Ghandii, Jesus, etc, can teach us how to manage it more gently.

Wouldn't you agree that the world is absolutely desperate for more compassion and crying out for less war, less violence?

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posted February 21, 2008 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
One doesn't have to follow any particular religion to follow the principles of compassion, of peace and non-violence to others.

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posted February 21, 2008 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message
Notice how some of these great personalities died; They were assasinated; Ghandi by one of his own countrymen. Ask yourself: Why did that happen? What would lead to such a case?

Passion is within the midst of the equation LLT. And I for one see its benifits. When focused on a task, even hate and anger can become powerful allies. The thing is, trying to eliminate these portion of one's personality only makes them stronger to the point where they will consume you completely. You say that you are indifferent to hate, yet you just said it yourself that you dislike violence due to your past events. Isn't that a dislike upon itself? Isn't that negitivity?

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posted February 21, 2008 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I agree that conflict is useful in this particular dimension/ classroom of learning; I assume that this is why we are here.

I don't think Ghandii or Jesus were defeated in their deaths.

There is to more to our being than simply surviving in our Earthly bodies- the struggle between fear and survival is just a trap.
We're all human, but we can realize this and reach for that which is higher than ourselves.
Isn't that the purpose of all life- to grow, and from growing transform?
(Death is not the end, it is a beginning).

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You say that you are indifferent to hate, yet you just said it yourself that you dislike violence due to your past events. Isn't that a dislike upon itself? Isn't that negitivity?

Whatever.

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posted February 21, 2008 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
On second thoughts, you may have a point there, Xodian.

Perhaps one of my greatest challenges would be to reach the point where I can maintain a sense of inner peace, whatever environment I am in- and not to let the environment affect me.

Yes, absolutely!

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posted February 21, 2008 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
You are not alone, LTT.

And we all see how hard you try.

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Once I have calmed down, I find that when I go back at re-read what was said, it no longer has any effect on me.
I feel cool, calm and detached, even though at the time my heart may have been pounding at the anxiety of it all and may have kept me awake the whole night.


Me too.

I think it's universal.

Sadness makes us feel so isolated.

Joy corresponds to feelings of connection.

I think you would dig this:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003253.html

LOVE!

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posted February 21, 2008 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message
LTT:

Sure the goal to reach perfection has ever been the domain of all person-kind (being politically correct here Lol!) but what is perfection? Is it a goal where we dictate ourselves to be whole and misgive what makes us, us? I don't know about you but I don't call that perfection; I call that assimulation and that is exactly where excessive violence stems from.

What I have taken from my religion is the basic fact that differences will always exist and that harmony can only be attained when you can accept the fact that evil and good exist side by side and thus it is foolhardy to think that one can eliminate even one of these factors within oneself and then call it being "balanced." No... that is not balance.

And I am glad that you see my point . You have realized that the events of the past are to be learned from, and you can't run away from them. What you learn only leads to self-evolution.

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posted February 21, 2008 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Xodian- absolutely!

We need to learn to accept that, as humans, we are always going to be subject to weaknesses- this is a part of life!

It's what we tune into that counts.

I don't think there are any words that can fully explain the truth.......

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posted February 21, 2008 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Love is all all is.

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praecipua
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posted February 21, 2008 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
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I don't think Ghandii or Jesus were defeated in their deaths.

fellow moon conjunct pluto...

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posted February 21, 2008 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
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People are simply not gentle with each other at all, and this is why so many of us feel the need to wear our masks.
We've learned that we have to, that it is necessary to our very survival.

i agree with you here, people are not gentle enough with each other. and by gentle i don't think you mean just nice, i understand : having love for each other. well i feel the same to the core of my being. pluto conjunct moon may be, or cancer rising. but you have to remember that someone can truly understand you only if he or she is at the same level than you. ex: if you locate yourself on a scale, objectively (without ego trip), you find yourself at level 5, then you can only understand someone who reached this level or someone who's at a lower level. someone higher than you will just appear weird to you. that's at the "understanding" level which is one of the natural balance maintaining disahrmony.
having that in mind, i realised that there's another natural way of separating people (which again protect the disharmony dear to xodian). this new differenciation is at the exchange level.
in mundane life, we all know how exchange values are important (no money,... well nothing really!) in a relationships, there's an exchange value. but not everyone agrees on it. some see love as the value, and other prefer lovely emotions (and a bit of hipocricy if necessary). i must have been a die hard of the first category in many of my past life judging by the ease with which i try to correct the wrongs in other people. i think in the tarot, the sword suite (air) is the most difficult one, mainly because there's a knowledge of this.
so, because nobody on this earth is fully developed, nobody is able to make the ends meet. but ideally, everyone should be as deep as the deepest possible ever, and shallow at the same time so as not to offence anyone and disturb the flow of love, even if it's to add to it a notch of depth.
the good thing about this wonderful, fair world, LTT, and this is why i'm glad to share this with you, is because the journey to the depth of the feelings towards others is a necessity if we want to move on to another level of reality. it's compulsary. it's a core course! when you (or me), suffer rejection perceived as lack of love, we wish we could just open the eyes to the other and help him to realise how shallow his/her love is. but are we better than god? i doubt it. and if god created a world in which he let the opportunity to any of us to experience life with the meaning we decide to give it, then why would i do differently. it's not holding grudges, it's actually applying exactly what the shallow type would ask from me: being just plain nice, and not creating any undesired turbulences. so everyone is happy. me probably the most, because i have this depth, and i can show it to people whom i trust for their appreciation.
you are one of them, not because you reciprocate the feeling but because you could.

ps: i'm aqua sun, libra moon, south node in aqua. for a change, i think this lifetime i'm gonna start to look at MY salvation and those i love instead of the salvation of a world which doesn't want change and is absolutely perfect as it is (and i'm not sarcastic). and, at the end of the day, i think people's genuine love (for their neighboor, pet or for themselves) is as much important for the balance of our world than the fact to act in this material reality. so i'll keep loving it, secretly!

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praecipua
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posted February 21, 2008 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
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I don't think there are any words that can fully explain the truth.......

and i don't think there are any words that can fully explain the love one can feel, either......

but may be there's a reason for that. i can't imagine such a perfect universe would not have thought of that.
the aim is probably to push the really devoted souls to go and reach to the source... to go back home, where the soul is sure to be understood and loved.

did i say it to you (all) today? I LOVE YOU


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posted February 21, 2008 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, praecipua.


I'm Libra Moon too.
Capricorn rising, Gemini Sun.

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posted February 22, 2008 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
have i killed this thread?

Scheiße!

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posted February 22, 2008 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, out of curiosity whereabouts are you in England, praecipua?

I live in the south west, Gloucestershire.

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posted February 23, 2008 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
london, brixton. gloucestershire is a cheese as well, isn'it? is it in cornwall?

in five years in the uk, i've only left london a couple of times, and went to colchester and norwich. not the most beautiful places may be. there's so much going on in london, it's hard to get away... but sometimes i go back home in the south west of france near toulouse, where cows have the power (i mean animals here). it's a very different atmosphere, very quiet, probably like gloucestershire

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posted February 23, 2008 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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