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Happy Dragon
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posted February 23, 2008 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
wonder what consitutes 'indecent clothes' in the saudi kingdom ..
~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/middle_east/7260314.stm ~

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Mirandee
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posted February 23, 2008 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
OMG Must be awful to live in such strict and restrictive conditions where a man cannot even flirt with a woman or vice versa. Bet that is a very hard law to uphold since it is human nature to do so.

I guess the horrible " pagan Christian holiday" they are referring to is the feast day of the real St. Valentine. Feast days are not exactly considered " holidays" in Christianity and it is only Roman Catholicism that has feast days for saints anyway. Not all Christians even acknowledge saints much less have a holiday for them.

Otherwise Valentine's Day and the giving of flowers, cards and candy is not a Christian tradition nor is it a Christian holiday.

It is actually a holiday created by corporations to sell flowers, candy and cards. And when have the Saudi Arabians every been against making a monetary profit? LOL

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Azalaksh
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posted February 23, 2008 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
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They were arrested following a request of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.
I don’t mean to denigrate anyone else’s culture, but living under the fear of doing something “wrong” eventually results in rebellion, with the rebellious (progressive) elements being eradicated, leaving only those who toe the line – that leaves me feeling a great sense of loss and sadness for our species.

Even though many live in fear of change, it’s in the nature of humans to progress and evolve, something that many cultures, like in the example, fight against tooth and nail with every means of punishment at their disposal. I can see the enforcement of these strict draconian rules causing an even more drastic cultural upheaval than just allowing a bit of personal freedom…..

I probably shouldn’t speak, as I was raised in a place where personal freedom for both sexes is one of the hallmarks of the culture. So I can’t understand, or come to intellectual or emotional grips with accepting that, as a woman, I am some spawn of the devil meant only to entice good men to their spiritual downfall – my life meant only for procreation and to serve men. No doubt this is an extreme caricature of life in repressive countries, and mayhap it isn’t as black and white (or negative) as I imagine it to be….. but from recent reading in GU, I fear that my imagination doesn’t even come close to life under repressive regimes – whether religious, governmental or cultural tradition.

I am optimistic though – eventually some of the repressive old ways will die, because they don’t serve the emotional, spiritual, physical, or mental needs of the majority of the people. I see trying to hold back the tidal wave of change as an exercise in futility. It shall be more and more difficult to MAKE others do what Prevention of Vice squads (of every ilk and in every country) think they should do…..

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Xodian
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posted February 23, 2008 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message
I doubt the charges will stick. Saudi law clearly states that witnesses other then the enforcement in question have to testify that these men committed inappropriate acts in public (such says the Sharia law.) If these men indeed did what they did without violating laws then the witnesses will testify just that.

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Happy Dragon
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posted February 23, 2008 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
* I doubt the charges will stick *
.. am glad to hear that .. :-)
.. was wondering if the law enforcers were using it as some form of publicity for an ulterior purpose ..
( i live in a community that's about 25 percent asian .. mostly from pakistan ..
( and i do business with some who a very religious muslims ..
( i've yet to ask .. but i'm pretty sure they wouldn't go along with that type of 'law enforcement' ..

i do realise there are different interps of sharia law .. if that's the right way to phrase it ..

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Xodian
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posted February 23, 2008 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message
Don't worry Dragon; Saudi Arabia is making its progression towards change. It seems that BBC and other networks really don't shead light on other progressive actions that have happened in that country Lol!

For instance, yes I know that SA is notorious for having unfair laws that baltently target women in an unjust way, but did you know that there are actually women CEOs and business owners in Saudi Arabia? And the latest charge against a rape victim was crushed when the Royal family made an announcement to the public that she was being charged as well along with her attackers and the Sharia Law was misinterperted in the highest degree possible. The public was outraged and her charges were dropped.

Oh SA can handle itself just fine .

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Happy Dragon
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posted February 23, 2008 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
** It seems that BBC and other networks really don't shead light on other progressive actions **
yeah .. that figures :-) ..
thanx for the info

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