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BlueRoamer
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posted May 07, 2008 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Beethoven!

What an amazing composer of fine music!

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posted May 07, 2008 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Indeed!

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posted May 07, 2008 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Beethovens Fifth, if you have never listened to this piece in full, please do yourself the favor to hear one of the greatest works of music ever composed!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c4x0yuKpeY&feature=related


A Fifth of Beethoven:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8XnON3rCU4


Btw Beethoven was a late Sagittarius, and a real grump.

You can hear the fiery and mutable nature of sagittarius in almost all of his works. In addition to the strong emotions of a jupiter ruled (esp frustration), beethoven also conveys the majesty, grandiosity, and expansiveness of this planet. Beethoven also had strong taurus in his chart, as can bee seen by his mastery of rhythm and structure. Another great quality that Beethoven had, which is a quality shared with many taurus people, is his ability to never back down to a fight, even when he was in a weaker position of power. Beethoven stood by his guns even in the face of idle threats and censoring. I believe the structured and ordered quality of his music, as well as the rhythmic genius comes from his taurus side.

This is a really great piece for a person who has little to no exposure to classical music. It's quite accessible, and the piece grows as your ear grows.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 07, 2008 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, BR!

The same may be said of the 9th. I prefer the 9th.

Oh, and I like what you've done here.


HSC
mars/merc in Sag trine Jupiter
Sun/Venus and Pluto in the 9th
Jupiter in aspect to Sun and Moon

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posted May 07, 2008 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Yes i can see your sun in the 9th house, you are truly a student of life and a life long learner!

Are you saying you have a sun venus conjunction too? very charming, sun/venus is one of my favorite set of planets to be aspected, they blend very nicely.

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posted May 07, 2008 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Sun/Venus/MC/Uranus

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BlueRoamer
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posted May 07, 2008 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Your chart is actually fairly similar to mine. Clustered in the upper left quadrant. Libra through capricorn....9th-1st houses. I have a venus first house aquarius, you have a moon first house aqaurius.

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posted May 07, 2008 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
I have another friend who has Venus conjunct the Sun....and they are a free spirit as well.

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posted May 07, 2008 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goatgirl     Edit/Delete Message
Beethoven

I think also the onset of gradual loss of hearing contributed to his stubbornness. Like no one was going to tell him how to be, etc.

Beethoven, Ludwig van

(born: Bonn, bap. 17 Dec 1770; died: Vienna, 26 March 1827). German composer. He studied first with his father, Johann, a singer and instrumentalist in the service of the Elector of Cologne at Bonn, but mainly with C. G. Neefe, court organist. At 11½ he was able to deputize for Neefe; at 12 he had some music published. In 1787 he went to Vienna, but quickly returned on hearing that his mother was dying. Five years later he went back to Vienna, where he settled.

He pursued his studies, first with Haydn, but there was some clash of temperaments and Beethoven studied too with Schenk, Albrechtsberger and Salieri. Until 1794 he was supported by the Elector at Bonn: but he found patrons among the music-loving Viennese aristocracy and soon enjoyed success as a piano virtuoso, playing at private houses or palaces rather than in public. His public début was in 1795; about the same time his first important publications appeared, three piano trios op.1 and three piano sonatas op.2. As a pianist, it was reported, he had fire, brilliance and fantasy as well as depth of feeling. It is naturally in the piano sonatas, writing for his own instrument, that he is at his most original in this period; the Pathétique belongs to1799, the Moonlight ('Sonata quasi una fantasia') to1801, and these represent only the most obvious innovations in style and emotional content. These years also saw the composition of his first three piano concertos, his first two symphonies and a set of six string quartets op.18.

1802, however, was a year of crisis for Beethoven, with his realization that the impaired hearing he had noticed for some time was incurable and sure to worsen. That autumn, at a village outside Vienna, Heiligenstadt, he wrote a will-like document, addressed to his two brothers, describing his bitter unhappiness over his affliction in terms suggesting that he thought death was near. But he came through with his determination strengthened and entered a new creative phase, generally called his 'middle period'. It is characterized by a heroic tone, evident in the 'Eroica' Symphony (no.3, originally to have been dedicated not to a noble patron but to Napoleon), in Symphony no.5, where the sombre mood of the C minor first movement ('Fate knocking on the door') ultimately yields to a triumphant C major finale with piccolo, trombones and percussion added to the orchestra, and in his opera Fidelio. Here the heroic theme is made explicit by the story, in which (in the post-French Revolution 'rescue opera' tradition) a wife saves her imprisoned husband from murder at the hands of his oppressive political enemy. The three string quartets of this period, op.59, are similarly heroic in scale: the first, lasting some 45 minutes, is conceived with great breadth, and it too embodies a sense of triumph as the intense F minor Adagio gives way to a jubilant finale in the major, embodying (at the request of the dedicatee, Count Razumovsky) a Russian folk melody.

Fidelio, unsuccessful at its première, was twice revised by Beethoven and his librettists and successful in its final version of 1814. Here there is more emphasis on the moral force of the story. It deals not only with freedom and justice, and heroism, but also with married love, and in the character of the heroine Leonore, Beethoven's lofty, idealized image of womanhood is to be seen. He did not find it in real life: he fell in love several times, usually with aristocratic pupils (some of them married), and each time was either rejected or saw that the woman did not match his ideals. In 1812, however, he wrote a passionate love-letter to an 'Eternally Beloved' (probably Antonie Brentano, a Viennese married to a Frankfurt businessman), but probably the letter was never sent.

With his powerful and expansive middle-period works, which include the Pastoral Symphony (no.6, conjuring up his feelings about the countryside, which he loved), Symphonies nos.7 and 8, Piano Concertos nos.4 (a lyrical work) and 5 (the noble and brilliant 'Emperor') and the Violin Concerto, as well as more chamber works and piano sonatas (such as the 'Waldstein' and the 'Appassionata') Beethoven was firmly established as the greatest composer of his time. His piano-playing career had finished in 1808 (a charity appearance in 1814 was a disaster because of his deafness). That year he had considered leaving Vienna for a secure post in Germany, but three Viennese noblemen had banded together to provide him with a steady income and he remained there, although the plan foundered in the ensuing Napoleonic wars in which his patrons suffered and the value of Austrian money declined.

The years after 1812 were relatively unproductive. He seems to have been seriously depressed, by his deafness and the resulting isolation, by the failure of his marital hopes and (from 1815) by anxieties over the custodianship of the son of his late brother, which involved him in legal actions. But he came out of these trials to write his profoundest music, which surely reflects something of what he had been through. There are seven piano sonatas in this, his 'late period', including the turbulent 'Hammerklavier' op.106, with its dynamic writing and its harsh, rebarbative fugue, and op.110, which also has fugues and much eccentric writing at the instrument's extremes of compass; there is a great Mass and a Choral Symphony, no.9 in D minor, where the extended variation-finale is a setting for soloists and chorus of Schiller's Ode to Joy; and there is a group of string quartets, music on a new plane of spiritual depth, with their exalted ideas, abrupt contrasts and emotional intensity. The traditional four-movement scheme and conventional forms are discarded in favour of designs of six or seven movements, some fugal, some akin to variations (these forms especially attracted him in his late years), some song-like, some martial, one even like a chorale prelude. For Beethoven, the act of composition had always been a struggle, as the tortuous scrawls of his sketchbooks show; in these late works the sense of agonizing effort is a part of the music.

Musical taste in Vienna had changed during the first decades of the 19th century; the public were chiefly interested in light Italian opera (especially Rossini) and easygoing chamber music and songs, to suit the prevalent bourgeois taste. Yet the Viennese were conscious of Beethoven's greatness: they applauded the Choral Symphony, even though, understandably, they found it difficult, and though baffled by the late quartets they sensed their extraordinary visionary qualities. His reputation went far beyond Vienna: the late Mass was first heard in St Petersburg, and the initial commission that produced the Choral Symphony had come from the Philharmonic Society of London. When, early in 1827, he died, 10 000 are said to have attended the funeral. He had become a public figure, as no composer had done before. Unlike composers of the preceding generation, he had never been a purveyor of music to the nobility: he had lived into the age - indeed helped create it - of the artist as hero and the property of mankind at large
Orchestral music

* Sym. no.1, C, op.21 (1800)
* Sym. no.2, D, op.36 (1802)
* Sym. no.3, 'Eroica', E#, op.55 (1803)
* Sym. no.4, B#, op.60 (1806)
* Sym. no.5, c, op.67 (1808)
* Sym. no.6, 'Pastoral', F, op.68 (1808)
* Sym. no.7, A, op.92 (1812)
* Sym. no.8, F, op.93 (1812)
* Sym. no.9, 'Choral', d, op.125 (1824)
* Pf Conc. no.1, C, op.15 (1795)
* Pf Conc. no.2, B#, op.19 (1798)
* Pf Conc. no.3, c, op.37 (c. 1800)
* Pf Conc. no.4, G, op.58 (1806)
* Pf Conc. no.5, 'Emperor', E#, op.73 (1809)
* Triple Conc., C, pf, vn, vc, op.56 (1804)
* Vn Conc., D, op.61 (1806)
* 2 vn romances, F, G, opp.50, 40 (1798-1802)
* Choral Fantasy, c, pf, chorus, op.80 (1808)
* Battle Sym., 'Wellington's Victory' op.91 (1813)
* ovs.-Coriolan, op.62 (1807)
* Leonore no.1 (1807), no.2 (1805), no.3 (1806)
* Nameday op.115 (1815)
* Consecration of the House op.124 (1822)
* see also dramatic music

Chamber music without piano

* 17 str qts - op.18 nos.1-6, F, G, D, c, A, B# (1800)
* op.59 nos.1-3, 'Razumovsky', F, e, C (1806)
* op.74, 'Harp', E# (1809)
* op.95, lsquo
* Serioso', f (1810)
* op.127, E# (1825)
* op.132, a (1825)
* op.130, B# (1826)
* op.131, c♯ (1826)
* op.135, F (1826)
* Grosse Fuge, op.133, B# (1826)
* 3 str qnts - op.4, E# (1795)
* op.29, C (1801)
* op.104, c (1817)
* 5 str trios - op.3, E# (by 1794)
* op.8, Serenade, D (1797)
* op.9 nos.1-3, G, D, c (1798)
* Trio, 2 ob, eng hn, op.87, C (1795)
* Serenade, fl, vn, va, op.25, D (1801)
* Sextet, 2 hn, str, op.81b, E# (c. 1795)
* Septet, cl, bn, hn, vn, va, vc, db, op.20, E# (1800)
* Octet and Rondino, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 2 hn, op.103, E# (c. 1793)

Chamber music with piano

* 3 pf qts, E#, D, C (1785)
* Qnt, pf, ob, cl, bn, hn, op.16, E# (1796)
* 7 pf trios - op.1 nos.1-3, E# G, c (1795)
* op.11 (cl, vc, pf), B# (1797)
* op.70 nos.1, 'Ghost', and 2, D, E# (1808)
* op.97, 'Archduke', B# (1811)
* 5 vc sonatas - op.5 nos.1-2, F, g (1796)
* op.69, A (1808)
* op.102 nos.1-2, C, D (1815)
* 12 vn sonatas - op.12 nos.1-3, D, A, E# (1798)
* op.23, a (1800)
* op.24, 'Spring', F (1801)
* op.30 nos.1-3, A, c, G (1802)
* op.47, 'Kreutzer', a (1803)
* op.96, G (1812)
* hn sonata, op.17, F (1800)
* variations for vn, pf and vc, pf etc

Piano music

* 32 sonatas - op.2 nos.1-3, A, C (1795)
* op.7, E# (1797)
* op.10 nos.1-3, c, F, D (1795-8)
* op.13, 'Pathétique' c (1798)
* op.14 nos.1-2, E, G (1798-9)
* op.22, B# (1800)
* op.26, A# (1801)
* op.27 no.1, 'quasi una fantasia', E# (1801)
* op.27 no.2, 'Moonlight', c♯ (1801)
* op.28, 'Pastoral', D (1801)
* op.31 nos.1- 3, G, d, E (1802)
* op.49 nos.1-2, g, G (sonatinas) (1795-7)
* op.53, 'Waldstein', C (1804)
* op.54, F (1804)
* op.57, 'Appassionata', f (1805)
* op.78, F♯ (1809) op.79, G (1809)
* op.81a, 'Les Adieux', E# (1810)
* op.90, e (1814)
* op.101 A (1816)
* op.106, 'Hammerklavier', B# (1818)
* op.109, E (1820)
* op.110, A# (1822)
* op.111, c (1822)
* variations, incl. 6 on original theme, F, op.34 (1802), Eroica Variations op.35 (1802), 32 in c (1806), Diabelli Variations op.126 (1823)
* Bagatelles 7 op.33 (1802), 11 op.119 (1822), 6 op.126 (1824)
* rondos, dances
* pf duets, incl. sonata op.6 (1797)

Dramatic music

* Fidelio [Leonore], opera (1805, rev. 1806, rev. 1814 with ov. Fidelio)
* ov. and ballet The Creatures of Prometheus op.43 (1801)
* incidental music (incl. ov.) - Egmont op.84 (1810)
* The Ruins of Athens op.113 (1811)
* King Stephen op.117 (1811)

Choral music

* Mass, C, op.86 (1807)
* Missa solemnis, D, op.123 (1823)
* Christus am Ölberge op.85, oratorio (1803)
* cantatas - on the death of Joseph II (1790), on the accession of Leopold II (1790), Calm Sea and Prosperous Voyage op.112 (1815)
* Der glorreiche Augenblick op.136 (1814)
* scenas etc

Songs

* c. 85, incl. Adelaide (1795), Ah! perfido (1796), An die Hoffnung op.32 (1805)
* 6 Gellert songs op.48 (1802), 8 songs op.52 (1790-96), 6 songs op.75 (1809), 4 ariettas and duet op.82 (c. 1809), 3 Goethe songs op.83 (1810), An die ferne Geliebte op.98, cycle (1816), many single songs, canons, musical jokes etc, c. 170 folksong arrs.

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NosiS
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posted May 07, 2008 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
BR,

I have to give credit where credit is due.

You are one of the funniest people I've come across in all my life.

You really make me laugh, and I thank you for that.

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posted May 08, 2008 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Why thank you Nosis.

Peace be with you

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posted May 08, 2008 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for posting that GG, glad you are a Beethoven fan as well.

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posted May 08, 2008 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

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posted May 08, 2008 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Not to brag....but I can play several of Beethoven's piano sonatas.

Brag-worthy.

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posted May 08, 2008 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Much like your handle of the English language, Eleanore.

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posted May 08, 2008 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Why, BlueRoamer, I do believe that's the kindest thing you've ever said to me. Thank you. I replied to you on that other thread and wasn't certain if you were being sincere ... not for any sinsiter reason but simply because you are so darn funny that I have to consistently remind myself that you may not always be joking. We Saggies sure can say a mouthful at times.

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posted May 08, 2008 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
You should see what I can hold in my mouth.

OH NO I DID-ENT

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posted May 08, 2008 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
BR, you are a scream mate.

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posted May 08, 2008 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Beethoven

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posted May 08, 2008 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Great to see your chart, BR.

Some very cool aspects there.

I'm impressed that you can play his sonatas.

I'm sure you play with real heart.

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posted May 08, 2008 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
If you want to hear another amazing 9th symphony, check out Schubert's 9th...heavenly!

Starts off slow but once it gets going it rocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghMrlJqHRdg&feature=related


THanks, HSC

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Nice pic!
Beethoven

My chart.

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