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PeaceAngel
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posted July 24, 2008 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
sesame

i enjoyed talking with you in the other thread. there's nothing more i can give to that one but would like to talk with you more. so i've started this one - if you're interested.

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sesame
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posted July 25, 2008 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Yes for sure, I'd love to! So, what would you like to talk about? I feel I am in for a LOT of learning. Maybe you'd like to talk about how to save the world? How about why you are a Peace Angel? Can we be blunt in this thread? Of course, anyone else can join too, but I do find this rather intriguing instead of one-on-one email which never really has much in my onion on a public forum, where anyone can post at any time. Would you like to talk about love? I had an epiphany today that I am just now ready to share. Superficial beauty is structured on supply and demand - the more apparent beauty, the more demand, and the less supply. BUT, the less beauty and demand, the more supply which increases demand. This is to say that as you give more of your inner self, there will be more demand and more supply, but the outer self is really only skin deep - unless you have the inner strength to back it up. I think this is why superficially beautiful people can be crabby, and may actually feel alone even if they are sought after. This is where the notion "Beauty is a curse" comes from. I have Libra in my true node, so I think this is where I think about beauty a bit, but I think we tend to think about everything all the time, so who knows.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

ps. thank you for honoring me with this thread Sometimes I find it difficult to compliment or appreciate.

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 25, 2008 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
yes, yes, of course others are welcome to join. and what do we talk about? start somewhere and let it go on whatever tangent it evolves. pretty open, really. and yes, i much prefer that we be blunt. i have mercury in aries - blunt is my middle name. but it doesn't go with the peaceangel does it? lol!

i find private mail more intimate - but i use it for personal discussions - discretion. but i enjoy the open forum because the contributions can be made at any time by anyone and can be anything - an opinion that correlates with yours or vehemently opposes it - but as long as it is done with respect. that's my one thing. we don't have to agree but respect our rights to have our own views and express them freely.

your epiphany. i think of it like this. the more you free yourself to be who you are - live, share, show your own truth - the more it allows others to relax and do the same. because you come from a place of non-judgement you freely allow each other to be who you are - perfect, inclusive of all your "imperfections" - and that's beauty - because you see the beauty in your self and in each other. that's my take on it. because with external beauty - it is really, as they say, in the eyes of the beholder.

with the learning that you mentioned. we all learn from each other all the time. each of us - equally student and teacher - all of the time.

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silverstone
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posted July 25, 2008 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message

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sesame
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posted July 26, 2008 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think everyone sees certain things in the same light. Hence I use the term "superficial beauty". There have been studies that kids respond more to "beautiful" women, and that people find the average person to be a 7 out of 10 which is cool, as really everyone is beuatiful - we're not really average like a 5. In the end, discussions on "superficial beauty" will probably go nowhere as it is superficial - there is no substance, but that is what I find entriguing. If it's only skin deep, then why are we fascinated by it? I think because of the media, etc. This could change as people no longer drive that as a demand.

On a different topic, I crashed my car today, but before you worry, no one's injured. I'm just rather annoyed and feel really stupid. I have an interview on Monday for a different organisation and a promotion which I really want, so I don't know if crashing my car has anything to do with that. Like, it's a ten thousand dollar mistake you know? I don't have insurance, but I'm sure we'll get through it, but it makes the interview even more important, but I don't want to be desperate. However, how do you gaurantee you'll get a job? How do you prevent random accidents? I'm definitely going to get insurance on my next car though.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 26, 2008 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
hi sesame

i'm sorry for you for crashing your car. and i'm sorry that you feel foolish. i'm very familiar with that one. most likely it will be an expensive mistake. but you'll manage it. and everyone is safe. i'm sure i've read in another thread that you have very young children, so that everyone is safe is good, paramount.

you asked: "How do you prevent random accidents?"
i don't believe anything is random or coincidence. i believe that we draw them to ourselves for learning. the best way to avoid them - is to learn the lesson attached to them.

i don't feel that the incident is related to your job search. the best way to guarantee that you'll get the job - ask the universe to help you get it if it is right for you and you for it - otherwise ask for the one that is, stating your financial requirements and ideal position and duties, etc.

superficial beauty. it's unavoidable. if you go to the pet shop to buy a dog - which one are you most likely to buy? the truth is - most likely the one you find cutest. when you meet people - potential partners - your entire future is based on absolute first appearances. it is in that one moment when you see someone's face and/or body that you decide whether you are going to pursue conversation or other. we are all susceptible to it. when you choose a piece of fruit you do so by it's appearance. ever had a really beautiful looking apple that was rotten on the inside? and yes, i know people will say that you base these things on feelings and energy between you. but honestly - if you met someone who made you laugh and feel good and displayed all that you desire in a partner and there was magnetic energy between you - but he or she looked like woody allen or joan rivers - truthfully - would you choose to follow what your heart is telling you or just settle for being "good friends" or maybe even less?

i agree about the media. they tell people what we should consider to be beautiful. and people buy into it. there is a new generation of girls who think its okay - even great - to aspire to look and be like paris hilton. i get what you are saying about the demand and supply. how do you fight that when there are so many people who buy into it, idealise it and aspire to it. and who in most probability will tell you that you're only offended by their beauty because you envy it or as is often suggested that only "ugly" people have issues with others' beauty. that's the beauty of age, actually. as people age - unless they have plastic surgery to combat their maturity - they have to rely less on their appearance because looks diminish - lines appear, scars, marks. so people are forced to go beyond superficial appearances as a natural cycle. those who do the plastic surgery thing too far and perpetually look and dress like teenagers, eventually do find themselves the object of ridicule - by their age and behaviour appropriate peers.

i don't know if that translated as i wanted it to with any articulation - so sorry if i'm not making sense tonight - just very very tired.

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Azalaksh
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posted July 26, 2008 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
G'day to my favorite angel (and Hi to sesame) ~

You wrote:

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if you met someone who made you laugh and feel good and displayed all that you desire in a partner and there was magnetic energy between you - but he or she looked like woody allen or joan rivers - truthfully - would you choose to follow what your heart is telling you or just settle for being "good friends" or maybe even less?
Had to respond to your intriguing question
For me, the answer is, Yes I would choose to follow my heart no matter what my eyes are telling me. I believe the reason for that is that I'm done with the Propagation of the Species duties. From my point of view, someone magnetic who makes me laugh and feel good is FAR more attractive to me than someone who is merely physically appealing. I hope it doesn't come off as age-ism, but I think younger people are still (perhaps unconsciously) looking for someone to *mate* with, and there are numerous studies** that humans are attracted to others that satisfy basic criteria of visual symmetry. Perhaps as we age and get more decrepit (excluding Mae West, Hugh Hefner and Eva Gabor of course ) our standards of “beauty” change, and we expect less visually -- as part of the natural cycle, as you put it

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http://www.livescience.com/health/060213_attraction_rules.html
http://www.squidoo.com/scienceofattraction
http://www.psypress.com/9780415422512

PS: You *always* make sense, PA

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sesame
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posted July 29, 2008 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, well, there are a couple of points there I'd like to comment on. I totally agree with you on everything. Your question that Zala spoke about is where internet dating is questionable. I've heard of people who fall in love and marry so this is not superficial, but how many people stop talking once they see the other's photo? It's one thing to laugh with someone and have great conversations when you don't see what they look like. You form a mental picture based on their words and what they choose to talk about. When you see the pics, you have to adapt your perceptions of that person. I've heard that people sum up other's in the first 30 seconds of meeting, but I wonder what the stat is for first seeing there photo - having already known a semblance of what they are like. It's also like talking to people at work over the phone, then meeting them in person, how the voice can look so different! This all comes back to a natural tendency for people to judge everything everyone else does. We are always assessing whether we would do that, do it better, fail at it, etc. I think that's why some people like realty shows, because they can empathise with the people more that dramas, etc.

The other point I'd like to discuss is aging gracefully. I honestly think life is about continual improvements - not cosmetic! Rather, a natural understanding of how you are currently presented, and how you could improve. To me, as you age, you should relax more, and do all the relaxing things your stressful life never had time for - such as meditation, yoga, hiking, canooing, walking, riding, etc. We should do this stuff now, but in a hectic life, these can sometimes make you realise how hectic your life is, and that your "wasting time". Oh the Irony! However, graceful aging is about removing the wrinkles through breathing and being - not frowning and stressing. You should be looking at winding down your life and everything about your body will follow. Cosmetics is the quick and easy solution when you don't have time, and don't really desire to age gracefully. That said, who needs to age? I am imortal and I now ordain my body to demonstrate this! I can't see Auras yet, but I soon will. I will get this job or a similar job that is suitable for me and the best job I could experience. By then end of the year, I will pay off my crash, my new car, uni, and live happily ever after. Nothing bad will happen to me unless I say so, and I will never say so! Divine spirit of my Higher Self, lead me to my ITIL certificate. I Ordain this NOW and in GRACE (I need this for work, so I thought I'd add some other mantras to the Universe for good will).

Hmmm, what's our next topic? I'd love to talk about faith? I always had faith, and still do, and in fact, I treat my faith like a religion. Is that an oxymoron? I dislike when people say their faith is more valid because they have a publication to support their beliefs, but I question how far faith will take you. I think all people are one severe accident away from agnosticism or atheism, but I like to think that faith should remain to give you hope once the rubble clears, but sometimes, it seems like you're down on luck, and there's no one to assist you, but then, yor situation can always be worse, so who's griping? It's just, I always thought I would never crash, and feel so stupid for doing it. I have high expectations of my elf in these things. I just have to take the hit and move on, and definitely recommend insurance. I'm sure God's still on my side, but if she decides to play another expensive game with me, I better have the winning hand to counter-act!

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

ps, hey Zala and Silverstone! How are we all?

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PeaceAngel
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posted August 01, 2008 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
zala

the other point to all of this, of course, is that when you do give someone a chance to get to know them better, they can become more attractive in your eyes if you see things in them that you didn't initially.

i agree that standards of beauty change. they have to. as you get older you accept the imperfections of others which in turn allows you to accept your own. so when you are standing before someone - you are standing there as you are - without any insecurities or inhibitions - totally open - to love and be loved - in whatever capacity.

sesame

faith - now that's a big one. because faith - is not static - it fluctuates - even on a moment to moment basis. and it has to as you change and experience things that take you further and offer growth and transformation. the trick is to have a set of values that carries you through everything - and also - to trust that the universe loves you and wants you to be happy and is working towards that with you.

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