posted August 08, 2008 08:52 AM            

I have many things to say, but very short on time. I am sympathetic with those on both sides of the issue, however, I am pro-choice and I needed to take a moment to applaud those men and women who are brave enough to share their stories.

Abortion is almost never as easily and callously undertaken as some would like to believe...

posted August 08, 2008 09:35 AM              

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Abortion is almost never as easily and callously undertaken as some would like to believe...

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For the most part I agree. I think the older and more experienced a woman is, the less likely she is to consider, as the anti-choice crowd says, "abortion as birth control". On the other hand, my stepdaughter is 20 and I am shocked by the number of her friends and acquaintances she tells me have had abortions. One girl is 17 and has already had two. My stepdaughter questioned her about the second - whether she might have the baby this time, did she consider adoption, what her method of birth control was, etc. The girl was understandably reluctant to have the baby and she "just forgot" to take her pill.

posted August 08, 2008 10:08 AM            

I think for these girls the problem isn't that abortion is legal, but they never learned a healthy respect for sexuality and their bodies. Sadly, abortion can be an easier option in those situations.

I, too, wonder what they will think and feel in ten or twenty years.

I like that you said anti-choice instead of pro-life. Pro-life and pro-choice are not opposites. I, for one, am both.

I'm glad to see the discussion can continue here, as this topic is close to my own heart. Until reasons and reality can be brought into the open nothing can change.

posted August 09, 2008 10:49 AM              

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No, not at all. The fetus is not a "child" yet in biological terms, especially if it can't survive outside of the mother's body.

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well now THAT is a perspective.
what one believes is i suppose what is convenient to one at that point in time. i have seen many women flip flop on this , myself included.
i dont knbow what the christian belief is about this..but our hindu ones keeping in mind reincarnation and karma are this --

before we are even born we make all contracts wioll all the people we meet in thsi life esp those who are family and lovers.marriage partners and children and parents are all a part of karmic contract we agree to.
some of us who have been selfless evangelists like florence or mother teresa for instance ..who have spent lives serving others.... that was agreed to by them in advance.and who are disabled and dependent on others for care...their lesson is opposite that of Teresa..learning to be cared for by others...

in such cases the parents or caretakers have been indebted to the disabled person and are paying off their debts. does abortion wipe off the karma ?

NO.

Karma can be delayed never denied.

He who is indebted will pay sooner or later.
and he whi is meant to learn unconditional love and care inspite of disabilities will come again and again till the one who is indebted summons the courage and will to pay.

i realise all the above sounds too....whatever.

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Where will the government be when she has to watch her young baby suffer from this condition, is the government opening it's wallet to pay for the care that will be needed?

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again as the judge said ... should a parent be allowed to abort a nine month foetus becoz they discver an anamoly...

its not generalisation at all...this IS saying that ALL disabled are to be exterminated.
and for living outside the mothers body...premie foetuses survive for 3 months and more in incubators. i know a 6 month premie who is living... does he count as human ???

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If you worked in a hospital and saw how many times and swiftly life and death decisions were made for someone's comfort or for the financial ease of families who's adult relatives were in comas or brain damaged or paralyzed, you'd quickly change your mind about this woman's choice. When it's an adults quality of life at stake they call it "Quality of Life Counseling" with the family and you would see how quickly families decide to end the life of a son, daughter, parent or relative because the burden would be too much. Should a person who may be in a coma for the rest of they're life be kept alive? Should a severely brain damaged person be kept alive at the expense of the families quality of life?

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yuck and double yuck...puking at the idea of pulling the plug on one of my parents...

posted August 09, 2008 10:53 AM              

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The government needs to keep it's periscope out of her Uterus. It doesn't belong there

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the govt didnt go to her dpprstep..the couple approached the court to seek permission for a late abortion which is illegal in our country.
read the article properly.
the press is very unbiased. they have presented the facts bluntly.
not to mention the goof up of a medical report LOL :rolleye:

i m posting it for ur benefit again.. READ..

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n the end, it was just one word that changed the medical report submitted to the high court by J J Hospital.
On Saturday, the JJ report's conclusion read, "The committee is of the opinion that there are very fair chances that child will be born incapacitated and handicapped to survive."

On Monday morning, the JJ report submitted a report which was identical except that it said, "The committee is of the opinion that there are very least chances that child will be born incapacitated and handicapped to survive."

The change in state-run JJ Hospital's report over abortion of Niketa Mehta's unborn child may have turned the tide against the aggrieved mother.

"It was a typo," said Dr B M Subnis, dean of the JJ groups of Hospitals who had to sign the report submitted by three of his experts. The three-doctor committee was formed at the behest of the High Court's directive last week to assess the merit of Niketa Mehta's plea seeking termination of her pregnancy.

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posted August 09, 2008 10:59 AM              

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I wonder when the soul enters the body...

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from my current research the soul spends small periods in the foetus... thats when the mother experiences movement. remember we are spiritual beings in a human body...so the soul spends time in both states for 9 months deciding , experiencing ,tasting physical existence as a foetus.

posted August 11, 2008 12:18 AM            

I like that you said this:

"what one believes is i suppose what is convenient to one at that point in time. i have seen many women flip flop on this , myself included."

I have to agree and I do the same thing as well. And I also think that it's very easy for us, not being in her situation, to debate the issue safely at a distance from the experience. I won't respond to everything you said because I read most of it earlier in the day between traveling so I don't have the energy right now since it's the middle of the night.

The one thing I did want to express again strongly is that we sometimes have to let go and let God, or a Higher Power into the situation. I think her biggest issue right now is fear. I think people fear the future enough when they assume they are having a normal baby, but I bet that fear turns to panic when you know you won't have a normal baby. I also think you bring up a good focus within your discussion about Karma. I often tell people that the challenge in fear is to turn it around to faith. In astrology, Saturn symbolizes fear and faith. I also think that people forget that having faith can be painful as well and that none of us has perfect faith, no matter what our spiritual affiliation is.

So it's interesting to watch how this situation unfolds in terms of a hot topic like abortion, pro-life and pro-choice, etc. Even the debate about it is too stressful for me let alone if I was the one in the situation.

Anyway, that's all for now, but I am learning a lot from this discussion, pros and cons. But this subject has been around forever and will continue on even after we're all gone. Now I'm just babbling so I'll say goodnight.