posted August 18, 2008 11:16 PM            

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! That caught me off guard and I had a long loud laugh. Funny.

Poor you and omg poooooor exchange student!!!!!

posted August 19, 2008 10:44 AM            

In my particuliar town it's not too bad, but a couple towns over, it's like a whole different world..I use to venture out to the Wal-Mart there on occasion myself..My daughter absolutely did not like going with me, she was like "Mom that place is scary" which I was oblivious to...then I started paying more attention..typical stuff like the mom's screaming at their toddlers in the buggies, or worst yet smacking them..and I know that happens at other places too..but my experience with people of that moral sense was mostly at that particuliar Wal-Mart....

I don't shop there anymore, I'd rather pay a little more, and have less hassle...

Sounds like we live relatively close to each other..we should have lunch someday..it would be a welcome change to actually talk to a like-minded person in my area...I've had many experiences similiar to Deverish's as far as my new age beliefs...some people even family have actually been quite clueless...but I forgive them..I know people tend to knock what they can't understand...

posted August 19, 2008 10:54 AM            

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posted August 20, 2008 10:02 AM            

That's sounds great, I will email you sometime...and yes I am guarded as well in my offline life, so I totally understand. I wish you well...

posted August 25, 2008 05:26 PM            

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wait.. so because she was obnoxious and forward with her opinion she is a hillbilly scumbag? redneck? I mean I dont think those stereotypes are fitting just to someone who is obnoxious. it was funny cause you cited her as stereotypical. im pretty sure just obnoxious and rude would have done it in all honesty.. step back from the situation and evaluate it from a different angle. do you really think she means harm? and what does republican have to do with anything? I sense a little hypocrisy. just trying to evaluate both sides to the situation.

and for the record im pretty sure. chink is chinese. and gook is veitnamese.

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Well...
she fits the stereotype in my area...
if the shoe fits and it does her..then she wears it.
No hypocrasy...you would have to see it firsthand I guess...
As for gook and chink..yes I think you are correct...
however THAT IS WHAT REDNECKS in my area call ANYONE OF ANY ASIAN ANCESTRY.

As for Republican and Christian..THAT IS A WHAT THESE KINDS ARE!
They make a big show of it and plaster their cars and trucks with bumper stickers proclaiming it.
And go around stealing Democratic signs from yards or keying and spray painting or even sh!tting on cars with Democratic bumper stickers!
No guessing their religious or political bend, it is right out there loudly proclaimed!
So until you experience these scum bags yourself do not call me a hypocrite!
As for meaning harm...yes it is possible.
Not going to get into all the whys of I think so.
But yes...she has been known to make trouble for folks when she gets angry. And she is rich enough to do so. Money talks. And liars who gossip do cause trouble.

As for stereotypes of obnoxious people, we do have another type. The boomboxing vandalizing
fireworks setters, they fight in the streets, they break car windows, they slash tires, they pour gas in yards and light it....they kill pets, they shoot guns off in the city, they rob and some rape folks they grab at the mall...
And of course drugs are involved. The younger ones wear armbands, they can be any race too.
These are usually the poor ones, but some of the wealthy rednecks deal drugs with them.

And they also rob and attack folks of Mideastern and Asian decent.
Guns are often involved.

I have been held at knifepoint...just to scare me..and it did...
and chased by crackheads waving guns, and had drive by shooters leave bullet holes in my walls!

These kinds of people exist and that is a sad fact.

posted August 25, 2008 05:40 PM            

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Jeez, and Koreans have the best manners of any culture I've ever experienced. Hope she gets out unscathed.

Top laugh Lexx

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posted August 26, 2008 05:38 AM              

These problems clearly transcend inviduals, and, rather than simply direct our ire at the various individual manifestations of society's ills, I think it is balancing to consider the larger framework. Not everyone is fortuneate enough to be able to see through their environments and conditioning. That requires an old soul. Sometimes it requires a soul old enough to recognize the innocence inherent in the naivete of younger souls. After all, they're just kids. Do they really consciously intend harm? Does anyone? I dont think so. Rather, I consider that the deepest consciousness is rooted in empathy and love, and that, in order to be fully conscious (and, therefor, responsible) one would have to be spiritually enlightened; the rest of us are operating at varying levels of consciousness (and responsibility). It always amazes me that, in murder trials, there is such a thing as an insanity defense, because what this implies, to me, is that the contrary defense would be that it is perfectly sane to murder someone. Its not. They are all nutjobs. Lacking empathy, they lack consciousness of the true consequences of their actions. God bless 'em.

Also, while many of these people you come across may appear blissfully ignorant, doing harm mostly to others, and not to themselves, I can't help but think the very best parts of their souls must be writhing in some dark corner of the unconscious, compulsively accumulating negative karma by the truckloads. I think they are to be pitied. And, like all sentient beings worthy of pity, they are worthy of some modicum of respect, just for being alive, being human (yes, they are human), and subject to the same feelings of fear, pride, insecurity, restlessness, loneliness, and all the rest of what makes us beautiful survivors of this unfathomable, insurmountable thing called Life. And, lastly, it is all relative. No doubt, in the high society drawing rooms of Victorian England, or, if you prefer, among the illuminated hermits living in the highest reaches of the Himalayan mountains, we would all prove ourselves to be filthy, unconscionable brutes, reeking of the flesh we have consumed and/or the hateful, uncivilized emotions we have indulged in for much of our lives. I'm just sayin'.

You know I understand and empathize with your distress at having to live among people who make such an unwholesome impression upon you. And with all you have to face in your daily life, I imagine it would require herculean strength not to succumb to complete bitterness and misanthropy at times. Though I dont suffer (and endure) nearly as much as you do, or live in such close proximity to these types, I encounter within myself the same feelings of revulsion, contempt, and superiority. And I believe in our right to express these feelings openly, whether in private, in our creative works, or on a public forum like this one. I would never want to censure you or anyone for that. At the same time, I can't help but feel there must be some attempt made at understanding, and humbling ourselves before the magnitude of the human condition, which opresses, even as it liberates, us all. I believe you do possess that rare humility and depth of understanding, and I'd just like to see you (and others) express it somewhere in this thread.

"Turnaround"
by Kurt Cobain

Take a step outside yourself
Ah, now, turn around
Take a look at who you are
It's pretty scary
So silly
It is revolting
You're not much
If you're anything

Take a step outside the city
Then you turn around
Take a look at what you are
It is revolting
You're really nowhere
So wasteful
So foolish
Poppycock

Take a step outside the country
And you turn around
Take a look at what you are
It is amazing
Take a good look
You're no big deal
You're so petty
It's a laugh

Take a step outside the planet
Turn around and round
Take a look at where you are
It's pretty scary

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I can't help but feel some uneasiness with what I perceive to be a lack of sympathy and restraint shown in this thread. I was surprised that nobody else thought to say a kind word on behalf of these people who you are so harshly condemning. Blame it on my Pisces South Node, but, when I hear someone being lambasted (in chorus!) like this, I can't help but feel compassion for them, no matter how depraved they may be, and want to give expression to another side of the story. I think I'd be satisfied if, after all your criticisms, warranted though they may very well be, you included just a few words about feeling sorry for these people, or understanding how it is that they came to be as they are.

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You know I understand and empathize with your distress at having to live among people who make such an unwholesome impression upon you. And with all you have to face in your daily life, I imagine it would require herculean strength not to succumb to complete bitterness and misanthropy at times. Though I dont suffer (and endure) nearly as much as you do, or live in such close proximity to these types,

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I encounter within myself the same feelings of revulsion, contempt, and superiority. And I believe in our right to express these feelings openly, whether in private, in our creative works, or on a public forum like this one. I would never want to censure you or anyone for that. At the same time, I can't help but feel there must be some attempt made at understanding, and humbling ourselves before the magnitude of the human condition, which opresses, even as it liberates, us all. I believe you do possess that rare humility and depth of understanding, and I'd just like to see you (and others) express it somewhere in this thread.

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Seems no matter what I say it will be taken the wrong way by some.

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posted August 26, 2008 10:47 PM              

I'm sorry you took my words as you did. I have no intention of aggravating you further. As I said, I know you are goodhearted. Others might not, from only reading this thread. I certainly admire your charitable works, and I dont recall ever accusing you of "showing off, bragging, or trying to get pity". On the contrary, I'll always be the first to encourage you not to hide your candle, or even your cudgel, under a bushel. If you can show me where I did make those accusations, I will happily take responsibility for them and supply you with a full apology, as I think such comments would be very careless and unfair to you. However, I do recall at least one viciously unbridled character assassination coming from you, and responding to it with relative understanding and civility, when even the people on your side had relented and seemed embarrassed to call you an ally. But all of that is ancient history, as far as I'm concerned. You have been very concilliatory and amiable with me since then, and my comments here were certainly not personal or intended to call your character into question. I just felt there was something more to say, to bring a little balance to this thread. I do imagine that any person in your situation would be under a great deal of stress, and that stress generally makes it harder for anyone to be understanding and compassionate. By all means, correct me if I am wrong. Maybe it is just me. I definitely do lose touch with my own understanding and compassion when I am in the midst of a major depressive episode; particularly when confronted with gross insensitivity from others, who respond to my cries for mercy with renewed cruelty and accusations of malingering. But, again, we are drudging up ancient history, and I would hope you have as little desire as I do to "go there".

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This thread was not intended to be about my compassion for, or understanding these kind of people.

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posted August 26, 2008 10:48 PM              

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I do imagine that any person in your situation would be under a great deal of stress, and that stress generally makes it harder for anyone to be understanding and compassionate.

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posted August 27, 2008 08:08 AM            

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LEXX,
I admire your drive.

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posted August 27, 2008 01:11 PM              

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okay, but let's not make a meal of it. Lexx had an interesting counter-argument, much of which I've not heard before.

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I would have left it alone if she hadn't denied it and turned it into an opportunity to attack me for things that, at best, happened three years ago, but, more likely, never happened at all as she claims. You can see for yourself how she is twisting an innocent speculation of mine (one offered with the purpose of sympathizing with and excusing her negativity) into a categorical judgement of her. That alone ought to suggest that anything I may have said in the past could have been a casual speculation which she instead took to be a judgement. Her "interesting counter-argument" is merely to bring up things that have no bearing at all on the present circumstance, and I think that is very telling, to say the least.

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You can see for yourself how she is twisting an innocent speculation of mine (one offered with the purpose of sympathizing with and excusing her negativity)

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You need to chill, LEXX. I've not judged you by how I would react, I've only stated honestly what I "imagine", and I never said that I thought you would succumb to the stress and be irritable on account of it, only that it would appear to make things harder, and I've even suggested that I could be wrong, so, either you are not a careful reader, or you are intentionally twisting my words and taking them in the worst possible way. I've only offered my experience, and you are the one (repeatedly) judging me for that. Please stop. And as for all this other stuff you are accusing me of, it is a bunch of bull. Whatever it is that went on, it happened approximately three years ago, and even then, I dont think I was guilty of those things. I know myself and I would not have done the things you are accusing me of. But you know for a fact that you attacked me like a rabid dog for something which was a minor offense and which I had even apologized for. And after that, you did indeed attack me when I was going through an extremely difficult time in my life, and even renewed the force of your attacks when I begged for a little mercy, as I was this () close to taking my own life. If there was ever a time to prove how compassionate you can be towards someone who is suffering, that would have been it, but, as it turned out, you reacted with bewildering insensitivity. Its really sad that you have to invent offenses to attribute to me, and deny what you know you've done, in order to save face in this thread, when all I did here was suggest that it would be nice to see a little understanding and compassion, rather than 100% ranting about how "stupid, rude, ugly, smelly" etc. someone is. Any person of integrity would have said, as wheels did, "fair cop", and left it at that. But you act like a three year old, and you still cant give an inch. Sad.

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I would have left it alone if she hadn't denied it and turned it into an opportunity to attack me for things that, at best, happened three years ago, but, more likely, never happened at all as she claims. You can see for yourself how she is twisting an innocent speculation of mine (one offered with the purpose of sympathizing with and excusing her negativity) into a categorical judgement of her. That alone ought to suggest that anything I may have said in the past could have been a casual speculation which she instead took to be a judgement. Her "interesting counter-argument" is merely to bring up things that have no bearing at all on the present circumstance, and I think that is very telling, to say the least.

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Wow! So nice and sweet and loving and understanding of you are of me, and not judging me at all...nor trying to stir up misinformation and drama...
yeah right.
But I don't think you can help thinking as you do and taking things out of context and pointing the finger at only me when many others were pretty upset with you too, more than me even.
I am sad you are disabled too.
In a way I am lucky mine is physical.
I often wonder how terrible it must be for you.
But as much as I feel compassion for you, I do not appreciate your attitude towards me nor bringing up the past and twisting it out of context and dishing out misinformation. You were no innocent babe in the woods in any of those, where many were wondering about you and upset with you..not just me. You even threatened us all when we tried to help and understand. I guess you forgot that.
I shall not engage you further sir.
But please try to behave yourself for LL's sake.

This thread was only meant to air my shock about our experience with an obnoxious person, who verbally and physically accosted us at WalMart. And it was not the first time she has done so. It is not a thread meant to extol any virtues she may have, or people like her.

Cool it please.

LL has had enough dramas.