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Topic: Gay Synastry
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PeaceAngel
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posted December 22, 2008 12:05 AM
 
When looking at the synastry between partners of the same sex does it change how we read the chart? Do Venus and Venus aspects for women and Mars to Mars aspects for men become more prominent, instead of the usual Mars to Venus aspects?  IP: Logged |
future_uncertain
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posted December 22, 2008 12:46 AM
Good question.  IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted December 22, 2008 03:42 AM
The psychological significance isn't going to change.On LL there is an over-emphasis on sexual and romantic interpretations of aspects. Mention Mars/Pluto you will get realms on the intense sex of this interaction. Er, not me and my stepdaughter, I don't think I'm her type. But Mars/Pluto carries the danger of dredging up things that should be left alone that sits well with the stepparent/child scenario. A same sex couple with Mars/Mars are going to carry the same conflict-loving and argumentativeness that is in, well, my marriage. LOL. Just my view. I'm thinking of how synastry is about 2 people interacting. Of all the people I know, I don't have a romantic or sexual relationship with many of them ~ nor will I at any point in the future. We still interact. But I get what you mean about traditional intepretations where you read that it works better if Venus is the woman and Mars is the man, blah, blah, blah. I've used Astroqueer as a resource, lots of charts on there, can't see any obvious answer to your question yet but I'll keep looking-:
http://astroqueer.tripod.com/ IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted December 22, 2008 07:41 AM
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On LL there is an over-emphasis on sexual and romantic interpretations of aspects.
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A same sex couple with Mars/Mars are going to carry the same conflict-loving and argumentativeness that is in, well, my marriage. LOL.Just my view. I'm thinking of how synastry is about 2 people interacting. Of all the people I know, I don't have a romantic or sexual relationship with many of them ~ nor will I at any point in the future. We still interact.
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blue moon
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posted December 22, 2008 07:45 AM
Thank you. Nice to know it isn't just me feels this way.  IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted December 22, 2008 08:17 AM
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PeaceAngel
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posted December 22, 2008 08:59 AM
I think there is an over-emphasis of soulmate interpretation at LL. We've had this discussion before. Why can't people just be happy with an Earth-mate? I understand the emphasis on Venus and Mars and sex and romance in astrology. But it doesn't have to be do or die soulmate connections. I can say I'd like a **** with Sean Bean behind the "Slag & Pint" because I have Mars in Taurus and it's very primal and physical. But I'm not going to say that my man's Saturn is conjunct my Venus, therefore, we're doomed.IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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From: No longer under Pluto's jurisdiction. Yay!!
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posted December 22, 2008 09:12 AM
I think there should be polarity. I mean, in all relationships, at a given time, there is a more active element and there is a more passive element, a giver and a receiver (of pleasure, knowledge, help etc). And in gay relationships it's not unusual that one of the partners takes up elements of behaviour of the opposite sex (hairstyle, clothing, attitude).
But may I ask why you curious? *battles eyelashes intensely* quote:
Mention Mars/Pluto you will get realms on the intense sex of this interaction. Er, not me and my stepdaughter, I don't think I'm her type. But Mars/Pluto carries the danger of dredging up things that should be left alone that sits well with the stepparent/child scenario.
Exactly. I don't think me and my future boss will have a mad, passionate love affair because we share a Venus-Pluto dw, but I'm sure it will become uncomfortable at a certain point.
As for Mars/Pluto, I have an exact opposition natally and perhaps looking at my chart one would think I'm always horny and involved in some sort of orgy (after all, Pluto is slow and I have this aspect with everyone born in early 80s). But nope, I'm in fact quite prudish. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted December 22, 2008 09:13 AM
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But may I ask why you curious? *battles eyelashes intensely*
Izo, my darling, I expect you to know the answer to that.  IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted December 22, 2008 09:17 AM
It's fair to say that there is an over emphasis on romance and sexual astrological translation at LL because the majority of threads are based on those dynamics and questions.Personally, I much prefer the study of natal astrology to synastry or composite. I've been interested in astrology since I was 13. I joined LL in May this year - and it's only since being here that I've looked at astrology for compatability. I'd never looked at it before. IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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posted December 22, 2008 09:26 AM
Ah, you such a teaser! But honestly, I think our Mars/Venus exact double-whammy would be quite valid if circumstances demand. 
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I think there is an over-emphasis of soulmate interpretation at LL. We've had this discussion before. Why can't people just be happy with an Earth-mate?
Because people want to continue to believe and search for absolutes. And we're quite a bunch of highly Neptunian individuals here in LL.
Anyways, I think we are all free to choose what we believe in and how we interpret our romantic interactions. If one person wants to call a relationship a soulmate encounter and another person says it's just physical, fine by me. It's a matter of perspective and personal choice, I guess. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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From: Germany
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posted December 22, 2008 09:29 AM
Actually I think you can`t do good synastry WITHOUT analysing the natal chart.I once spoke to an astrologer who said that he would never look at synastric aspects, cause he wouldn`t need them.
If he wanted to see if people were suited to each other and could love each other, he just looked at the natals and compared those, and this gave him a very clear picture.
Actually I think synastry is just a continuation of the comparision of the natals, and I love doing synastry, but without the natals it is all just a big guessing-game. lol I still LOVE doing synastry. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted December 22, 2008 09:31 AM
IzoWell said. I don't think there's any such thing as absolutes. Definitely potential or possibility, but it's never guaranteed. And that's where it falls apart. I'm not a fan of fatalistic astrology. And to think that someone is going to be forever because their Mars is conjunct my Venus (no offense  ) is going to guarantee either sexual sparks or a lifetime or beyond of bliss doesn't sit well with me. That said - our dw is pretty impressive. Now, only piece to that puzzle that's missing is that I'm not actually sexually attracted to women. It's all about personal interpretation. You can twist and turn astrology to make it fit whatever interpretation you want. In some way, at some stage, there has to be some basic interpretation or truth that you can't colour - but that would be an absolute. There's always something - and if or a but. See it as we do - and it's right for us that way. Very individual then, isn't it? IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted December 22, 2008 09:37 AM
DD quote:
Actually I think synastry is just a continuation of the comparision of the natals
That's exactly how I intpret it too. Actually, and this may be funny (or just strange) but it never occurred to me that it could be seen in any other way. I thought everyone did that. That's how I see it. LOL! I like natal astrology because it's the purpose of me turning to it - learning about myself. I enjoy learning about my dynamic with other people. The thing there is that I enjoy using it to understand the dynamic with famous people mostly and the thing there is that, in truth, sad or otherwsie, I'll most likely never get to actualise that experience to know how the astrology fits. It's all speculation. Which can make it fun - but also uncertain. Mostly it just confirms feelings/intuits about dynamis with people and it's interesting how it fits. But I enjoy looking at the natals more. I particularly like researching my own natal. IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted December 22, 2008 09:37 AM
My Taurus stellium sometimes struggles with some of the more fanciful posts on LL. There is also the context that I have had the same partner for many years and am not waiting for a man on a big white horse to ride into town.  But also. There is a preponderance of Soul Mate thread that seem to presume that deep experiences of love are going to be (and should be) interwined with sexual/romantic expression. It might be atypically female of me for me to say I don't feel the same way. If it is, blame Aqua Mars Square Taurus Venus. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted December 22, 2008 09:45 AM
bmYes, you know I agree with what you've said fully. I think that that expectation is pronounced. I think my children are my soulmates. But that's another thing. There is the talk about soulmates as partners and finding this one person being the be all and end all - but you have children, you know - and as you said in a recent thread - that you don't understand how anyone could put a man before their children. Whlist romantic love is wonderful - the love you share with your children is out of this world. It's something else entirely. That's when you know you love. Like you, I have a long-term partner. So I'm not looking for someone as many of our Knowflakes are. That's a big difference. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
Knowflake Posts: 4246
From: Germany
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted December 22, 2008 09:47 AM
PA,well, I have seen A LOT of posts about synastry taken out of context, where one just looked at single aspects like that famous Mars-Venus-conjunction.
In my opinion, it doesn`t really say much, if you don`t know the natal "make up" of a person.
Does she even like to have someone`s Mars on her Venus? Or another example: Mars square Venus, some say it is sizzling hot, some say it is only exhausting and a big No No aspect.
Now what is it? I think it depends on the natal. If I have a chart made up of soft Moon-Venus-Neptune aspects with Mars also tied to Neptune and let`s say Venus and Mars in Pisces and Libra, I most probably will not like the Venus-Mars-square. But if I had a T-square involving Mars, Venus and Sun instead for example, I would probably bored with a simple Venus-Mars-trine. But I don`t see many people taking their time to look at the big picture in astrology like that (there ARE exceptions I know that).
I also like doing synastry with celebrities,c ause I understand my own personal patterns better, and how astrology works, and that it even works if the other person is not present.
I also love the progressed synastry, casue it is working so consistently. (I wrote you a mail concerning that subject)
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darkdreamer
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From: Germany
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posted December 22, 2008 09:50 AM
BM,I absolutely agree with you, also. Soul-love is not just about romantic or sexual love, AND even if you have found a soulmate (or what you think is a soulmate to you), it doesn`t mean he is meant to stay FOREVER in your life.
There is a great lesson in learning to surrender to the flow of life and letting go of persons and memories, even though they may be connected to very happy moments in your life. I don`t have children, but I believe you, of course, this kind of love must be entirely different. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 7382
From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted December 22, 2008 09:52 AM
DDYes, that's it - spot on. But in truth, well, my truth, I just think that people want to hear that the person they are enquiring about is their "twinflame" or "soulmate" and the thing with astrology is that there are so many interpretations and systems that you can twist it any way you like until you get the answer that you want. It doesn't make it truth though. And different things work for different people. Like you, I enjoy doing my synastry with famous people. It's fun to see that Christian Bale and I have Sun conjunct Moon, etc. Or that RDJ and I have Sun conjunct Sun and Mercury conjunct Mercury and Psyche conjunct Psyche, etc. I would like to know who my "twinflame" is - I genuinely would - but I'm also with someone and it doesn't change that. It's something I'm curious about but I don't know how it would change my life or even affect it at all if I found out - using astrology - who this person is. In truth, i think I would know when I met him or her. The astrology would be a way of confirmation - but again - so many interpretations. Like you said - the square - which way does it really work. I agree with you fully. Natal is predominnant - even in synastry. You are such a smart cookie.  I always love the intelligence with which you convey your thoughts and feelings and interpretations. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted December 22, 2008 09:54 AM
DDThat letting go is really not easy though. But you know that.  Sometimes it's easier to let go of something when something new has already arrived. It voids that empty feeling. IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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From: No longer under Pluto's jurisdiction. Yay!!
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posted December 22, 2008 09:56 AM
DD, as always, you hit the nail on the head. I love doing synastry too. PA,
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Now, only piece to that puzzle that's missing is that I'm not actually sexually attracted to women.
Me neither. I went through a period when I thought I might be, but I know now I'm not. I've watched the L word as a test and two women making out did nothing for me (though they were all gorgeous), but when a straight couple kisses I get butterflies. Can't help it. quote:
I don't think there's any such thing as absolutes. Definitely potential or possibility, but it's never guaranteed.
That's a great perspective! But some of us got so disappointed that we desperately NEED guarantees. I think this is why some search for soulmates, for a relationship that is foolproof. I don't think that it's to be blamed or finger-pointed, I think it's a way of coping with the harsh earthly life. But there comes a time in every Neptunian's life when he or she needs to draw the line and see the reality, methinks. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
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posted December 22, 2008 10:01 AM
PA,no, it`s not easy. And it`s an ongoing lesson, at least for me. But I imagine I am getting better at it with age, but it still is the hardest part of all.
And sometimes it is really difficult to see, when you reall have to let go and when you should not be giving up. *sighs*
Izo,
hmm, those "tests" don`t work with me. At some moments even seeing a stone laying on the ground can give me "butterflies". Ohh jeez, does that mean I am a "petro-phil"?  IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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From: Australia
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posted December 22, 2008 10:04 AM
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Ohh jeez, does that mean I am a "petro-phil"?
LMAO. Quick! Hide your crystal collection - DD is here! Is that a crystal wand in your pocket or are you..... ah, never mind. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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posted December 22, 2008 10:06 AM
Izo quote:
but when a straight couple kisses I get butterflies
Yes, it has to be a great kiss though. They have to be connected. When I watch a movie and the kiss is terrible, I cringe. But give me a really stellar kiss and I'm onto the rewind button and swooning. IP: Logged |
izodesmozina
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From: No longer under Pluto's jurisdiction. Yay!!
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posted December 22, 2008 10:07 AM
Srsly? A stone giving you butterflies? I guess I'm the kind of person who has hard to get butterflies.
But... aren't you str8? IP: Logged |
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